WaPo: Roy Moore underage sex allegations. 12/4 update: Trump endorses. Jones wins

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All I can say about all of this is women...your're on the clock. Step up like you did on Tuesday and put your foot on this shitheads throat in December. If white men can't be part of the collision of the decent, it's up to you to take up that responsibility.

Women are going to be the XX factor that tilt the tables on the GOP.
 
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I may be taking your post wrong, but are you actually hoping these girls were assaulted because you don't like the guy, or are you hoping he gets strung up even if he didn't?

I’m pretty sure he’s hoping that this assault doesn’t get swept under the rug like Trump’s history of sexual assault did.
 

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I’m pretty sure he’s hoping that this assault doesn’t get swept under the rug like Trump’s history of sexual assault did.

Yep. This should never have happened in any universe, but if it did then I hope there is enough discovered to kick this guy to the curb at the very least, and criminal consequences if possible.
 

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Right. If those women were assaulted, and it sure sounds like they were, then that’s already happened and it’s too late to change. The only question now is if their attacker is held accountable. Trump hasn’t been. Let’s hope Moore is.
 

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Let's proceed with caution on some of these takedown jobs.

Remember how Hoover tried to discredit MLK by spreading stories of his adultery (which were true). Thankfully we managed to support him despite his weakness, because it was the right thing to do.

Yes, I understand that sexual assault and adultery are two different things, I believe though that adultery in 1963-1968 was viewed probably nearly as critically as sexual assault today, so the public back then had to deal with a similar difficult situation.
 
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Please have legs.
I may be taking your post wrong...
May be?

But are you actually hoping these girls were assaulted because you don't like the guy, or are you hoping he gets strung up even if he didn't?
Neither. But I suspect you already know that.

Haya has obviously put credence in the FACT of numerous young women, none of whom previously knew each other, coming forward independently with stories that fit an obvious pattern of sexual predation on vulnerable underage girls, together with supporting testimony from others, such as that one woman's mother.

"There is none so blind as those who will not see."

And . . . here is what Mr. Rider wants:

Yep. This should never have happened in any universe, but if it did then I hope there is enough discovered to kick this guy to the curb at the very least, and criminal consequences if possible.

I hope this brings you some sorely needed clarity.
 
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Let's proceed with caution on some of these takedown jobs.

Remember how Hoover tried to discredit MLK by spreading stories of his adultery (which were true). Thankfully we managed to support him despite his weakness, because it was the right thing to do.

Yes, I understand that sexual assault and adultery are two different things, I believe though that adultery in 1963-1968 was viewed probably nearly as critically as sexual assault today, so the public back then had to deal with a similar difficult situation.

Adultery and molesting children are not, in any universe, close to the same thing. Ditto to sexual assault/rape.
 
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zinfamous

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So if girl number one turns you down and you corner girl number two, is it better to go for it or to drive her home and try your hand with girl number three?

Sounds irrational, but you always go for girl number 3.
 

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I don't know if it will happen but It would be great if the Trumpettes split from the Republican party and take Moore and people like him with them. Let them form their own minority third party.
And if the Republicans know what's good for them take the alt-right, white supremacists, Neo Nazis, et al.
 

HomerJS

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Check out the response from one of the mothers when daughter was 17...
Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she was 17 in the spring of 1981 when Moore spoke to her Etowah High School civics class about serving as the assistant district attorney. She says that when he asked her out, she asked her mother what she would say if she wanted to date a 34-year-old man. Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said "Roy Moore," her mother said, "I'd say you were the luckiest girl in the world."

I do notice it made a difference who the 34 year old man is. If he were Black or Hispanic I bet the mother's answer is different.
 
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Let's proceed with caution on some of these takedown jobs.

Remember how Hoover tried to discredit MLK by spreading stories of his adultery (which were true). Thankfully we managed to support him despite his weakness, because it was the right thing to do.

Yes, I understand that sexual assault and adultery are two different things, I believe though that adultery in 1963-1968 was viewed probably nearly as critically as sexual assault today, so the public back then had to deal with a similar difficult situation.

Are you claiming that there is a substantial likelihood that someone is conspiring against Roy Moore in a way where they got four separate, unrelated people to conspire together to accuse him in a way that's backed up by more than 30 other people?

Does that seem like a plausible scenario to you?
 
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K1052

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Interesting note on how Moore underperformed Romney in 2012. As of now his average advantage seems to be 6 points over Jones but all that polling was done prior to these revelations of course. It's not inconceivable he could simply loose the election now.


 

zinfamous

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Are you claiming that there is a substantial likelihood that someone is conspiring against Roy Moore in a way where they got four separate, unrelated people to conspire together to accuse him in a way that's backed up by more than 30 other people?

Does that seem like a plausible scenario to you?

Well, why aren't you addressing the controversy? Obviously this isn't settled. Talk about bias!
 

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You know, I've noticed that republicans and the general know-nothing crowd have also started to redefine the term "evidence" for some reason. I guess to make themselves feel better? To keep that doubt sowed where the alternative is just more self-hate?

On this topic, as with all of the other snowflake alt-right response to female accusations against powerful men of being sexually harassed, there is the ever-present, predictable first response of "Is there any evidence of this?"

well, look idiots: the testimony of the accusers is evidence. That is what evidence is. What you alt-right fools want is more evidence. I think you kids are mistaking forensic (physical) evidence for the sum-total of all evidence. I believe that testimonials like this are a recognized type of circumstantial evidence which, in itself, is often wrongly assumed to be "garbage evidence." Circumstantial can be used to describe any one independent piece of evidence, physical or spoken, where the sum total of many piles of circumstantial evidence make up the entirety of the case.

Anyway, it's weird that it took me this long to notice, but know-nothing alt-righters have been working to re-define terms and common concepts for some time now, all over the place, so some tend to slip through the cracks.
 
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Here comes the completely unsupported attacks against the accusers. I'm wondering how long it takes before someone comes in and claims one of the accusers was offered $1000 by WaPo to accuse Moore. One's a Dem operative and the 14 year old was actually 17. I'm willing to bet someone will post at least one of these.
 
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You know, I've noticed that republicans and the general know-nothing crowd have also started to redefine the term "evidence" for some reason. I guess to make themselves feel better? To keep that doubt sowed where the alternative is just more self-hate?

On this topic, as with all of the other snowflake alt-right response to female accusations against powerful men of being sexually harassed, there is the ever-present, predictable first response of "Is there any evidence of this?"

well, look idiots: the testimony of the accusers is evidence. That is what evidence is. What you alt-right fools want is more evidence. I think you kids are mistaking forensic (physical) evidence for the sum-total of all evidence. I believe that testimonials like this are a recognized type of circumstantial evidence which, in itself, is often wrongly assumed to be "garbage evidence." Circumstantial can be used to describe any one independent piece of evidence, physical or spoken, where the sum total of many piles of circumstantial evidence make up the entirety of the case.

Anyway, it's weird that it took me this long to notice, but know-nothing alt-righters have been working to re-define terms and common concepts for some time now, all over the place, so some tend to slip through the cracks.

Just saw this article yesterday on some hypothetical reasons why some conservatives are more likely on average to believe lies than liberals.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...re_more_susceptible_to_believing_in_lies.html
 

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You know, I've noticed that republicans and the general know-nothing crowd have also started to redefine the term "evidence" for some reason. I guess to make themselves feel better? To keep that doubt sowed where the alternative is just more self-hate?

On this topic, as with all of the other snowflake alt-right response to female accusations against powerful men of being sexually harassed, there is the ever-present, predictable first response of "Is there any evidence of this?"

well, look idiots: the testimony of the accusers is evidence. That is what evidence is. What you alt-right fools want is more evidence. I think you kids are mistaking forensic (physical) evidence for the sum-total of all evidence. I believe that testimonials like this are a recognized type of circumstantial evidence which, in itself, is often wrongly assumed to be "garbage evidence." Circumstantial can be used to describe any one independent piece of evidence, physical or spoken, where the sum total of many piles of circumstantial evidence make up the entirety of the case.

Anyway, it's weird that it took me this long to notice, but know-nothing alt-righters have been working to re-define terms and common concepts for some time now, all over the place, so some tend to slip through the cracks.

I've been casually following the changes in people's attitudes ever since Trump won the Repub primary. I recall how the expression "the new normal" was being bounced around when it became quite evident that Trump, despite his notoriety for having this basket full of issues that would have easily defeated most any other candidate in their run for office, literally bullied his way into office with outrageous lies and accusations that if it were not for the intense desperation to get "The Win" by the Repubs, he would have been laughed off the stage of public opinion as an idiot and charlatan that he actually seems to be.

So here we have this Charlatan-in-Chief posing as what he wants us to believe he is yet failing miserably at it, creating this "new normalcy" of the presidency. He is being helped in his efforts to create this "new normalcy" by a base of support that wants to force their extremist views on the nation and a Repub controlled Congress whose view of Trump is merely a means to an end.

Both of these entities could care less if Trump was a brain dead patient on life support. Trump was/is their only hope to see their agendas come to fruition and they will cling to him no matter how destructive he becomes, no matter how disruptive he is.

He is now in the process of forcing the nation to accept the fact that he won his presidency based on a mountain of lies, scurrilous accusations and false hopes and to accept him as its leader without question, without doubt. He wants many of his supporters to forget/ignore the fact that in a critical moment of truth, they were in a state of induced delusion when they strolled up to that voting booth and made their choices count and obviously he's been very successful in this regard. He wants the rest of us to accept him as he is based on the notion that we all knew what we were getting when we sent in our votes while he totally ignores the fact that he lost the popular vote by 3+ millions. They were all illegal aliens anyway, right?

So here we are, being worn down, jaded and numbed into believing that Trump, with all of his deeds and behavior that would have gotten him impeached and thrown in jail if he were a Democrat, is exactly what the nation needs to MAGA.

Well, fvck that shit I say.
 

momeNt

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Adultery and molesting children are not, in any universe, close to the same thing. Ditto to sexual assault/rape.

One would argue that 1960s and 2010s are different universes....

So many things are looked at differently back then.

Look at Maryland vs Rusk - This was in 1978-1979. Maybe you have forgotten how much the social climate has changed in a relatively short period of time?

https://law.justia.com/cases/maryland/court-of-special-appeals/1979/1249-september-term-1978-0.html
 

momeNt

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Are you claiming that there is a substantial likelihood that someone is conspiring against Roy Moore in a way where they got four separate, unrelated people to conspire together to accuse him in a way that's backed up by more than 30 other people?

Does that seem like a plausible scenario to you?

No. I am saying that in the past with MLK we separated his words from his actions because he was very much more than just an adulterer.

Not anything to do with HOW we know, but more what we know.
 
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