Wont happen. The best case is he gets impeached and then of course pardoned. They wont put an ex president in jail. The good side is the impeachment will be a permanent big L on his life. A shame he will have to live with and blame on others. LOL.
I hope he doesn't die of a stroke or something. I want him to either die in prison or at the end of a rope.
There is no doubt that Trump obstructed justice. The problem is that as long as the majority of the GOP believe that their voting base sticks by Trump therer is no way that he will be impeached, actually no matter what he does. He could walk down 5th Ave. in NYC and shoot some one and no one in the GOP would care. His own words, sort of.
There is no doubt that Trump obstructed justice. The problem is that as long as the majority of the GOP believe that their voting base sticks by Trump therer is no way that he will be impeached, actually no matter what he does. He could walk down 5th Ave. in NYC and shoot some one and no one in the GOP would care. His own words, sort of.
Aaaand he is back at tweeting
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875321478849363968
love the comments :
"No, Mr. President. Birtherism was the greatest WITCH HUNT in political history, and YOU started it"
Live by the fake sword, die by a real one, mudderfudder..
Methinks birtherism was a much bigger witch hunt and we all know who promoted it.I've been quietly watching these threads for a while now but finally decided to respond.
He literally doesn't know when to stop. I have a hypothesis that he was so used to getting his way, so used to a lack of any sort of accountability as a private business owner(no board of directors etc) and his ability to weasel out of things that he just keeps using the same tactics over and over again. And here we see it again this morning, taking to playing the victim and essentially calling Mueller a witch hunter.
Having been part of some legal wranglings(against a similarly loud mouthed/aggressive type of person) in my time, the first and best advice my lawyer gave was to keep my mouth shut. And I did. I disappeared off social media for a couple months and just laid low. It worked. We won the case because the other person just couldn't shut up and the judge used that against him and ruled in my favor to the point that I didn't even have to pay my lawyer or anything. And that was for a small time civil case.
He's calling a special prosecutor a witch hunter in a public forum for the whole world to see. I'm sure somebody in the White House has said "That can and will be used against you Mr President." But he just doesn't care/doesn't get it/whatever. And if this leads to obstruction of justice charges, I'm almost certain we will see mention of twitter posts somewhere as part of the rationale for charges.
I've been quietly watching these threads for a while now but finally decided to respond.
He literally doesn't know when to stop. I have a hypothesis that he was so used to getting his way, so used to a lack of any sort of accountability as a private business owner(no board of directors etc) and his ability to weasel out of things that he just keeps using the same tactics over and over again. And here we see it again this morning, taking to playing the victim and essentially calling Mueller a witch hunter.
Having been part of some legal wranglings(against a similarly loud mouthed/aggressive type of person) in my time, the first and best advice my lawyer gave was to keep my mouth shut. And I did. I disappeared off social media for a couple months and just laid low. It worked. We won the case because the other person just couldn't shut up and the judge used that against him and ruled in my favor to the point that I didn't even have to pay my lawyer or anything. And that was for a small time civil case.
He's calling a special prosecutor a witch hunter in a public forum for the whole world to see. I'm sure somebody in the White House has said "That can and will be used against you Mr President." But he just doesn't care/doesn't get it/whatever. And if this leads to obstruction of justice charges, I'm almost certain we will see mention of twitter posts somewhere as part of the rationale for charges.
Exactly! I think I went on a rant here about this thing some week or so ago in some other thread. People fail to understand the difference between Trump Co being a private, family-run business and any other public business, and why the head of the former model in no way translates to an equal representation of the head of the later model. Trump has never had anyone else to answer to, no shareholders and no board to please. This is by design, of course, because if Trump Co had ever gone public, the first appointed board would have canned him ASAP. The guy simply doesn't understand business, he doesn't understand people, and he doesn't understand leadership. The only way he succeeds is through obfuscation, threats, and carefully-guarded secrecy.
Exactly! I think I went on a rant here about this thing some week or so ago in some other thread. People fail to understand the difference between Trump Co being a private, family-run business and any other public business, and why the head of the former model in no way translates to an equal representation of the head of the later model. Trump has never had anyone else to answer to, no shareholders and no board to please. This is by design, of course, because if Trump Co had ever gone public, the first appointed board would have canned him ASAP. The guy simply doesn't understand business, he doesn't understand people, and he doesn't understand leadership. The only way he succeeds is through obfuscation, threats, and carefully-guarded secrecy.
His agreements with lenders and the two casino bankruptcies in those years still left Mr. Trump personally responsible for more than $100 million in debt, and his agreements had only delayed the day of reckoning to June 30, 1995.
He dealt with that danger by first shifting much of his personal debt onto his casinos, then onto a new group: shareholders.
Step 1 came in 1993, when his company sold more junk bonds, adding another $100 million in debt to the Trump Plaza casino. More than half of the new money went to pay off Mr. Trump’s unrelated personal loans.
Then, in June 1995, with the risk of being forced into bankruptcy just weeks away, Mr. Trump shifted ownership of the Plaza casino to a new, publicly traded company: Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts. In the initial public offering, 10 million shares were sold at $14. At the same time, the company also sold another $155 million in junk bonds, at a 15.5 percent interest rate.
Becoming a public company burdened Mr. Trump with the responsibility of putting shareholders’ interests first. But Mr. Trump, the largest shareholder and chairman of the board, could generally meet that obligation by obtaining approval from his board of directors and disclosing financial details in securities filings. The board’s three outside members were widely seen as bowing to his wishes.
A week after the initial public offering, the new company began using some of the almost $300 million it had raised to clear Mr. Trump’s personal debts. During his financial pinch two years earlier, Chemical Bank had forced Mr. Trump to give up his ownership of the Trump Regency, a hotel next to the Trump Plaza. He held an option to buy it back for $60 million, which included debt on the hotel and $35.9 million that he personally owed the bank from his purchase of a Manhattan property. The new company exercised that option, in effect transferring Mr. Trump’s debt to its own balance sheet.
In 1996, the public company issued more stock and sold $1.1 billion in junk bonds. The money was used in part to pay off $330 million in bonds on the Plaza that had been guaranteed by a company Mr. Trump controlled, as well as almost $30 million that Mr. Trump personally owed to two banks. The company also bought the Trump Taj Mahal and Trump Castle — soon renamed the Trump Marina — shifting more of Mr. Trump’s debt to shareholders.
Is the narrative no longer that Trump was controlled by Russia and now it's that he obstructed justice in the investigation that showed he wasn't being controlled by Russia?
That was never the narrative but at least you are now current on the issue. Perhaps now you'll start giving a fuck.
I haven't read the entire thread so I'd be interested if anyone else came to the same conclusion.
I think the trump/Russian connection is coming into focus. It appears that the Russians had intended to wage a propaganda war on the US in order to elect a president who would give better treatment to Russia.
My guess is that, besides the social media propaganda that was used, the Russians managed to gain the confidence of several US figures who all happen to be associated with or became associated with the trump campaign. It doesn't appear, at least for everyone they managed to use, that anyone was knowingly trying to act against the country. Instead it appears that these key trump insiders were nothing more than useful idiots (Carter page seems to recognize this, hence his willingness to speak in public about it but unwillingness to say much, plus, known transcripts between spies say about as much). It appears they all fed information to trump to buy into pro Russian policies.
So it appears trump was the mark, which according to a lot of people, was because he apparently takes the opinion of the people who spoke to him last. Having been surrounded by Russian useful idiots, trump was bombarded with pro Russian policies, of which he adopted.
It also appears that the Russians, close to the election, thought Hillary was going to win, and decided to hedge their bets and start spreading propaganda pushing voter fraud in order to delegitimize hillarys presidency had she won. Again, trump parroted this talking point.
Of course when trump was told about the Russians interfering in the election he denied it and instead felt the intelligence community was biased/corrupt. My guess is that this information (Russian involvement) was given to the candidates prior to one of the debates which is why Hillary called trump a puppet and trump flew off the handle.
When trump won the presidency the IC, again tried to tell trump of the Russian involvement in the election and again trump attacked the IC and denied it. Accepting it would have meant his presidency would be in question and that's not something trump could ever admit.
In summary, Russia found some useful idiots too plant pro Russian policies into a puppet.
As far as where this goes? I think, if legit investigations continue, we will find out who these useful idiots are but no charges will be brought because they were unknowingly aiding Russia. Trump will probably lash out, either at the intelligence agencies or at Russia.
As it stands now, the damage is done and the pro Russian policies are still in.
How is his speculation now akin to what you generalized as a narrative?Ooops...
It wouldn't be as fun if you weren't such an ignorant, partisan hack. Let me guess: puppets aren't controlled?
Could you try rewriting this in a manner in which it makes sense? I'm sure the post is pointless but until I can understand it, I won't be able to call it so.Good luck investigating a man for obstruction of justice when he has no real power and he is not required to answer any questions. I dont think "I am scared of conservatives" is going to fly in court. You have to impeach the president before you can charge him on such a flimsey charge with only the say so of a disgruntled employee.
Ooops...
It wouldn't be as fun if you weren't such an ignorant, partisan hack. Let me guess: puppets aren't controlled?
Ooops...
It wouldn't be as fun if you weren't such an ignorant, partisan hack. Let me guess: puppets aren't controlled?
Not me. It won't happen, but what I'd like to see is Trump and his family penniless, forced to live like those he screwed over.I hope he doesn't die of a stroke or something. I want him to either die in prison or at the end of a rope.
How is his speculation now akin to what you generalized as a narrative?
Oops...looks like you aren't too smart.
Reading is hard, isn't it? My post specifically says trump didn't collude with Russia but rather he was an unknowing idiot used by russia and that was my personal theory.
Is the narrative no longer that Trump was controlled by Russia and now it's that he obstructed justice in the investigation that showed he wasn't being controlled by Russia?
...In summary, Russia found some useful idiots too plant pro Russian policies into a puppet....
Anticipated the deflection. Hence the question posed "Let me guess: puppets aren't controlled?"
Original statement that you refuted:
Your statements prior (condensed and bold added, but quoted in full above):
And because thinking, obviously, isn't your strong suit:
pup·pet
ˈpəpət/
noun
noun: puppet; plural noun: puppets
a movable model of a person or animal that is used in entertainment and is typically moved either by strings controlled from above or by a hand inside it.
synonyms: marionette; More
hand puppet, finger puppet
"a show with puppets"
a person, party, or state under the control of another person, group, or power.
"he was little more than a puppet of his aides"
synonyms: pawn, tool, instrument, cat's paw, creature, dupe; More
How am I wrong that the narrative has changed (at least from you, specifically)...? I know, I know, reading is hard. So is being consistent. But, you'll find some way to relieve the dissonance and live in your little bubble.
That being said, I am all for investigating any Russian ties that Trump may have. But, like others in this thread, I think it's more an issue of him being a narcissist and lacking impulse control than him being a traitor. I just find it humorous how people are losing their minds trying to find anything or any way to get him and the shifting blame makes that obvious.
Oops...looks like you aren't too smart.
Reading is hard, isn't it? My post specifically says trump didn't collude with Russia but rather he was an unknowing idiot used by russia and that was my personal theory.
That being said, I am all for investigating any Russian ties that Trump may have. But, like others in this thread, I think it's more an issue of him being a narcissist and lacking impulse control than him being a traitor. I just find it humorous how people are losing their minds trying to find anything or any way to get him and the shifting blame makes that obvious.
Anticipated the deflection. Hence the question posed "Let me guess: puppets aren't controlled?"
Original statement that you refuted:
Your statements prior (condensed and bold added, but quoted in full above):
And because thinking, obviously, isn't your strong suit:
pup·pet
ˈpəpət/
noun
noun: puppet; plural noun: puppets
a movable model of a person or animal that is used in entertainment and is typically moved either by strings controlled from above or by a hand inside it.
synonyms: marionette; More
hand puppet, finger puppet
"a show with puppets"
a person, party, or state under the control of another person, group, or power.
"he was little more than a puppet of his aides"
synonyms: pawn, tool, instrument, cat's paw, creature, dupe; More
How am I wrong that the narrative has changed (at least from you, specifically)...? I know, I know, reading is hard. So is being consistent. But, you'll find some way to relieve the dissonance and live in your little bubble.
That being said, I am all for investigating any Russian ties that Trump may have. But, like others in this thread, I think it's more an issue of him being a narcissist and lacking impulse control than him being a traitor. I just find it humorous how people are losing their minds trying to find anything or any way to get him and the shifting blame makes that obvious.
Is the narrative no longer that Trump was controlled by Russia and now it's that he obstructed justice in the investigation that showed he wasn't being controlled by Russia?
The problem is that you just gave kinev a way to avoid addressing the facts of the matter & wriggle away into the definition of "puppet". He's running away as fast as he can from the honest truth I asked him to address in #41, above. He has to do so because addressing it would damage the foundation of his conservative beliefs.
You do realize, I hope, that "controlled by" & "supported by" the Russians aren't the same things.
The latter is obviously true. Explain why they would do that.
I agree that it seems to be in significant part because he lacks self control but from what we know so far there appears to be the potential for significant premeditated criminal activity. There's no need for people to find 'anything or any way to get him', he basically admitted to a felony on national TV.
Lol! Look at you try to cover all your bases.
First off, I said that was never the narrative and unless your original post was originally directed at me and only me, it's still not the narrative. Just because I think that's what's going on doesn't mean that's what most people think is happening. Then again maybe you hold my opinion higher than what it is, some random post on the internet.
Lastly, the current narrative is that trump obstructed justice. Period. Whether he's a puppet or colluded is an unknown and will hopefully be answered by the investigation.
That was never the narrative but at least you are now current on the issue. Perhaps now you'll start giving a fuck.