Sorry; definitely not running away.
Yes, controlled and supported by can be different things, or they can be similar; depends on context, I suppose. Supported by the Russians, as in Trump was helped by them? Yeah, I think that is true to some degree given the Podesta e-mails and leaking of that info. Explain why they would do that? Could be that Russia had a similar outlook as the American people: they preferred the lesser of two evils. They knew they didn't want Hillary, so they supported Trump. Pure speculation, though. They could want Trump in order to try to manipulate him.
But, I don't see how this is in reference to me stating that the narrative has changed and proving (from a particular poster who said it hasn't) that it has (from his/her POV).
IANAL, but I think that's open to interpretation. I think if it was as open and shut as that, the case would be proceeding faster. That being said, the whole political aspect of it (and he's the President) would mean that it wouldn't be fast. Let the process take it's course; I'm just laughing at the shifting story.
If making a cogent argument is covering all of my bases, then yes.
No, it is not the narrative now; it has changed. That was my point. I actually give you less credit than that; you didn't come up with the controlled argument all by yourself, you were just parroting the narrative-de-jour.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/democrats-overplaying-the-russia-card-commentary.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-plot-to-control-trump-through-his-advisers-j2mlfgqhk
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/missile-attack-brings-d-c-back-to-normal.html
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/331...to-use-manafort-and-flynn-to-influence-trump/
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/puppet-no-puppet-youre-the-puppet
You just happened to claim that I was wrong and that wasn't the narrative and it was a simple case of proving that it was (at least to you).
Sorry; definitely not running away.
Yes, controlled and supported by can be different things, or they can be similar; depends on context, I suppose. Supported by the Russians, as in Trump was helped by them? Yeah, I think that is true to some degree given the Podesta e-mails and leaking of that info. Explain why they would do that? Could be that Russia had a similar outlook as the American people: they preferred the lesser of two evils. They knew they didn't want Hillary, so they supported Trump. Pure speculation, though. They could want Trump in order to try to manipulate him.
But, I don't see how this is in reference to me stating that the narrative has changed and proving (from a particular poster who said it hasn't) that it has (from his/her POV).
IANAL, but I think that's open to interpretation. I think if it was as open and shut as that, the case would be proceeding faster. That being said, the whole political aspect of it (and he's the President) would mean that it wouldn't be fast. Let the process take it's course; I'm just laughing at the shifting story.
If making a cogent argument is covering all of my bases, then yes.
No, it is not the narrative now; it has changed. That was my point. I actually give you less credit than that; you didn't come up with the controlled argument all by yourself, you were just parroting the narrative-de-jour.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/19/democrats-overplaying-the-russia-card-commentary.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-plot-to-control-trump-through-his-advisers-j2mlfgqhk
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/missile-attack-brings-d-c-back-to-normal.html
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/331...to-use-manafort-and-flynn-to-influence-trump/
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/puppet-no-puppet-youre-the-puppet
You just happened to claim that I was wrong and that wasn't the narrative and it was a simple case of proving that it was (at least to you).
Aaaand back to the crying
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875438639823675392
And blaming crooket hillary. Is it just me or has the twitter whining taken a notch up lately?
Additional whining, the old guy is on a roll today
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875441788110110727
A comeback for "crooked hillary" as well.. nice, gasket about to blow in 3...2...1
IANAL, but I think that's open to interpretation. I think if it was as open and shut as that, the case would be proceeding faster. That being said, the whole political aspect of it (and he's the President) would mean that it wouldn't be fast. Let the process take it's course; I'm just laughing at the shifting story.
holy crap, he's responding to people trolling him now. Lol, this guy is our president. What a fucking Goober.
Look like you just need to remind him that Hillary was more popular, and got way more votes, and he goes nuts.
Remember when Obama was too busy golfing and not working? Astonishing.
Yea I just saw that ... Goddamn thats funny, the POTUS enganging in a twitter feud, what the hell is he tinking? If I was that Tony guy I would screenshot that for safe keeping, print it and have it framed..
Try again. The only narrative is that you will read into things whatever you want. None of your links push that narrative and most are simply asking what's the reason for the behavior.
I mean anything's open to interpretation but he basically came out and said that his administration's previous statements about why they fired Comey were lies and he really fired him because of the Russia investigation. That's awfully obstruction-y.
I personally doubt that the case would be proceeding faster under virtually any circumstances as Republicans have no political incentive to remove him, regardless of his actions. Maybe if he's running a child prostitution ring out of the West Wing they would feel compelled to act but it's hard to imagine any sort of general corruption that will make them throw Trump overboard until they cut taxes for rich people.
Get used to this feeling. It's not wrong or bad; it's sad, yes, but it's just an admission of reality. Evil walks among us, and it preys on the people who would prefer not to acknowledge its existence.
I am no Trump fan, but I interpreted what he said publicly was that he fired him because Comey didn't come out and tell the public that Trump wasn't directly under investigation (which is what he told him in person). That's consistent with Trump's narcissism, but not obstruction of justice. One thing that I DID read was that Trump may end up getting in trouble for all of the "Comey better hope I don't have tapes" comments. He'll either have to admit that he's lying about them, produce them, or be charged with obstruction for destroying/erasing the tapes. From what I've heard, that would be a more clear cut case of obstruction and yet another example of Trump being his own worst enemy (foot-in-mouth).
Republicans do have incentive: namely, the 2018 elections. Trust in them to behave in their best interests. If anti-Trump sentiment would mean they lose their jobs, nothing will motivate them more (generalization). I think the ideal situation for them would be to blame partisan politics for Trump resigning (it's harder than he thought it would be), have Pence as President, and the House having clean hands and winning re-election. Not that that's likely to happen, but we'll have to see how it shakes out.
Yea I just saw that ... Goddamn thats funny, the POTUS enganging in a twitter feud, what the hell is he tinking? If I was that Tony guy I would screenshot that for safe keeping, print it and have it framed..
I agree but emotionally I want him gone.I'm good with justice being served, but by due process. That isn't for Trump so much as everyone else.
"The Kremlin’s Candidate"
"...For months, dating back to the doomed Hillary Clinton campaign, the party's most enduring allegation against Trump was that he had been "compromised" by the Russian state, and therefore ought to be seen as a "puppet," "stooge," or "pawn" of the dastardly Putin.
This meme dominated the presidential contest, and the resulting furor has engrossed much of the Democratic rank-and-file ever since, such that exercised liberal activists now routinely show up to town hall meetings accusing Trump of "treason" and screaming for retaliatory action against his purported foreign suitors.
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) appeared to reflect a wider sentiment in the party when she suggested last month that elucidating Trump's sinister Russian 'ties' ought to be the "only" issue Democrats pursue: all else flows from it."
"Russian spies plotted to manipulate Donald Trump through his senior campaign advisers during the election campaign, it was alleged last night" Behind a pay-wall, so we won't count this one
"Because from now on, the narrative that the president is some kind of puppet of Russian President Vladimir Putin is going to be much harder to promote. An independent President Trump is harder to completely tear down than a man supposedly being remote-controlled by the Kremlin... no matter what he does."
"It was one of many examples that people at the pinnacle of the Russian government seem to have some hold over Trump, some understanding of him that triggers his most impulsive and transgressive instincts. It’s like a paramour who has some kind of hold over a person or ability to manipulate them which is difficult or impossible to understand from the outside."
"Russian officials wanted to use Manafort and Flynn to influence Trump"
I am no Trump fan, but I interpreted what he said publicly was that he fired him because Comey didn't come out and tell the public that Trump wasn't directly under investigation (which is what he told him in person). That's consistent with Trump's narcissism, but not obstruction of justice. One thing that I DID read was that Trump may end up getting in trouble for all of the "Comey better hope I don't have tapes" comments. He'll either have to admit that he's lying about them, produce them, or be charged with obstruction for destroying/erasing the tapes. From what I've heard, that would be a more clear cut case of obstruction and yet another example of Trump being his own worst enemy (foot-in-mouth).
Republicans do have incentive: namely, the 2018 elections. Trust in them to behave in their best interests. If anti-Trump sentiment would mean they lose their jobs, nothing will motivate them more (generalization). I think the ideal situation for them would be to blame partisan politics for Trump resigning (it's harder than he thought it would be), have Pence as President, and the House having clean hands and winning re-election. Not that that's likely to happen, but we'll have to see how it shakes out.
The responses are coming from a parody account it seems.
Yup. We can find no evidence of a crime, so now we're going to look for evidence of him keeping us from finding a crime. It's the death of a thousand small cuts, campaigning by leaking innuendo for public opinion.Is the narrative no longer that Trump was controlled by Russia and now it's that he obstructed justice in the investigation that showed he wasn't being controlled by Russia?
Yup. We can find no evidence of a crime, so now we're going to look for evidence of him keeping us from finding a crime. It's the death of a thousand small cuts, campaigning by leaking innuendo for public opinion.
I would say this is what happens when an outsider beats the system, but Trump is such a douche that you can't overlook the effect of having a President despised by the establishment of both parties. Perhaps an outsider who isn't a horrible person could actually get something done.
Yes, controlled and supported by can be different things, or they can be similar; depends on context, I suppose. Supported by the Russians, as in Trump was helped by them? Yeah, I think that is true to some degree given the Podesta e-mails and leaking of that info. Explain why they would do that? Could be that Russia had a similar outlook as the American people: they preferred the lesser of two evils. They knew they didn't want Hillary, so they supported Trump. Pure speculation, though. They could want Trump in order to try to manipulate him.
Yup. We can find no evidence of a crime
Yup. We can find no evidence of a crime, so now we're going to look for evidence of him keeping us from finding a crime. It's the death of a thousand small cuts, campaigning by leaking innuendo for public opinion.
I would say this is what happens when an outsider beats the system, but Trump is such a douche that you can't overlook the effect of having a President despised by the establishment of both parties. Perhaps an outsider who isn't a horrible person could actually get something done.