"War On!"

[conjur]

http://www.theaustralian.news....85706%255E1702,00.html

US warplanes struck insurgent positions overnight in the rebel-held Iraqi flashpoint town of Fallujah, the US military said early today.

In two air raids carried out just after midnight, US aircraft bombed rebel positions in the north-east and south-east of the town, 50km west of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, a military statement said.

"US Air Force aircraft... struck a pre-planned target with precision weapons, striking known anti-Iraqi barricaded fighting positions" in both the north-east and south-east, the military said.

The raids were carried out by planes backing the 1st Marine Expeditionary Corps, which also destroyed several rebel fighting positions during the past 12 hours, the statement said.

Multi-National Forces West have also recovered and destroyed large numbers of rockets, artillery shells and mortars, as well as other explosives, the military said.

Thousands of residents have fled the Sunni Muslim bastion of Fallujah since the US military began a campaign of air strikes during the summer in the hunt for Islamic militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his followers who are believed to use the city as an operating base.

Zarqawi, a Jordanian national who is Iraq's most wanted man, is blamed for some of the worst bombings and kidnappings in the country since last year's US-led invasion.

US ground troops have encircled Fallujah since mid-October, and Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued an ultimatum to the city on Sunday to surrender insurgents holed-up inside or face an all-out military assault.

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

 

[Steeplerot]

I'm surprised fox doesen't have a big CGI gi joe game as we invade Iran and syria in one violent orgasm for bush and god.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

 

[nageov3t]

it's been pretty widely accepted that Bush was trying to limit casualties as much as possible until after the election.

now that the election is over, hopefully we get back to work and finish the job.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Awww....poor diddums don't wike da twooth.

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.theaustralian.news....85706%255E1702,00.html

US warplanes struck insurgent positions overnight in the rebel-held Iraqi flashpoint town of Fallujah, the US military said early today.

In two air raids carried out just after midnight, US aircraft bombed rebel positions in the north-east and south-east of the town, 50km west of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, a military statement said.

"US Air Force aircraft... struck a pre-planned target with precision weapons, striking known anti-Iraqi barricaded fighting positions" in both the north-east and south-east, the military said.

The raids were carried out by planes backing the 1st Marine Expeditionary Corps, which also destroyed several rebel fighting positions during the past 12 hours, the statement said.

Multi-National Forces West have also recovered and destroyed large numbers of rockets, artillery shells and mortars, as well as other explosives, the military said.

Thousands of residents have fled the Sunni Muslim bastion of Fallujah since the US military began a campaign of air strikes during the summer in the hunt for Islamic militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his followers who are believed to use the city as an operating base.

Zarqawi, a Jordanian national who is Iraq's most wanted man, is blamed for some of the worst bombings and kidnappings in the country since last year's US-led invasion.

US ground troops have encircled Fallujah since mid-October, and Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued an ultimatum to the city on Sunday to surrender insurgents holed-up inside or face an all-out military assault.

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Looks like the US troops are working quite well with the Iraqi government. Good to see.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's been pretty widely accepted that Bush was trying to limit casualties as much as possible until after the election.

now that the election is over, hopefully we get back to work and finish the job.

Playing politics with our soldiers' lives. Did Vietnam teach us *nothing*??

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

 

[going5hole]

Isn't Fallujah the place where the military tried to talk out a plan, only to have the insurgents living there start attacking them again? Diplomacy failed there, so why try it again?

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's been pretty widely accepted that Bush was trying to limit casualties as much as possible until after the election.

now that the election is over, hopefully we get back to work and finish the job.

Excellent post.

 

[poopaskoopa]

It's worth it(to bomb the people I don't know, and use my tax money to build other nations, ). Democracy will simply r0x0r their b0x0rz.

But Kara doesn't seem to agree:

Venture into that crosswalk reserved for sacred cows. Democracy may be the West?s political grail, but it is not inherently just or moral. As Edmund Burke famously asked, ?[Is there some difference] between the despotism of the monarch and the despotism of the multitude?? The rule of law?fixed by forces less capricious than the whim of the mob?is a far better guardian of individual freedom than electoral popularity. The majority may elect a tyrant. Neither is democracy the most stable social order?something we might have considered before we went planting political systems in security?s name.

Come January, our new colony is likely to school us in democracy?s shortcomings. A May survey by the Coalition Provisional Authority found that just 6 percent of Iraqis want the U.S. to stay as long as is ?necessary for stability.? Thus any victorious candidate will have radicalized his constituents by running on an anti-American platform. Because we have enshrined democracy, we must accept the Iraqis? choice and may quietly be grateful to be shown the door by these infant democrats. But so much for visions of Madison reincarnated in Mesopotamia and promises that Iraqi democracy will enhance U.S. security.

But they will be free, we comfort ourselves. After all, we wrote that book. Its latest version ensures that we don?t answer cell phones while driving in D.C. or smoke after dinner in New York. No complaints because we apparently brought this freedom from ourselves upon ourselves by democratic means. The old monarchs confiscated a far smaller portion of their subjects? gain and would never have countenanced a trillion-dollar deficit. They weren?t leaving town in four years. But we feel more free because we elect our captors, having long since forgotten that the purpose of government is not to confer freedom but to restrict it. With regrets to Tocqueville, here the people do not rule?though marching to the polls creates a tidy front.

Link to the hater's article.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: going5hole
Isn't Fallujah the place where the military tried to talk out a plan, only to have the insurgents living there start attacking them again? Diplomacy failed there, so why try it again?

Because we should try and hold hands and become buddies with them. These tards have no clue.

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: going5hole
Isn't Fallujah the place where the military tried to talk out a plan, only to have the insurgents living there start attacking them again? Diplomacy failed there, so why try it again?

Right. Peace can't be won through talks, only through victory. If you have to bomb them for victory, bring on the bombers.

 

[going5hole]

The raids were carried out by planes backing the 1st Marine Expeditionary Corps, which also destroyed several rebel fighting positions during the past 12 hours, the statement said.

US ground troops have encircled Fallujah since mid-October, and Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued an ultimatum to the city on Sunday to surrender insurgents holed-up inside or face an all-out military assault.

It makes sense to me to use aircraft to bomb an area before you send troops into it. British and American soldiers have been moving into the area for a while. I think some of you may be blowing this a little out of proportion. An air strike before moving ground troops in seems to be a good way to stop coalition casualties on the ground.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: going5hole
The raids were carried out by planes backing the 1st Marine Expeditionary Corps, which also destroyed several rebel fighting positions during the past 12 hours, the statement said.

US ground troops have encircled Fallujah since mid-October, and Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued an ultimatum to the city on Sunday to surrender insurgents holed-up inside or face an all-out military assault.

It makes sense to me to use aircraft to bomb an area before you send troops into it. British and American soldiers have been moving into the area for a while. I think some of you may be blowing this a little out of proportion. An air strike before moving ground troops in seems to be a good way to stop coalition casualties on the ground.

It's pretty much standard procedure.

 

[jpeyton]

We'll have to watch the news over the next few days to see how much this actually affects the insurgency in Iraq in the short term, let alone over the next few years of occupation.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
We'll have to watch the news over the next few days to see how much this actually affects the insurgency in Iraq in the short term, let alone over the next few years of occupation.

Doing things like this will undoubtedly make a difference. If your enemy has no safe place to sleep, he won't be able to fight.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

You are both missing the point!

This attack was delayed for *weeks*! It was delayed until after the election. This is playing politics with our soldiers' lives!

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

You are both missing the point!

This attack was delayed for *weeks*! It was delayed until after the election. This is playing politics with our soldiers' lives!

Maybe you are missing the point. We don't care. So what if it was delayed? Do you have any physical proof that the delay was for political reasons? Do you know for certain that it wasn't to insure ground forces were in place and secure enough to take the city? No. All you have is your lame attempts to now knock anything and everything that happens now that Kerry has lost.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

You are both missing the point!

This attack was delayed for *weeks*! It was delayed until after the election. This is playing politics with our soldiers' lives!

Maybe you are missing the point. We don't care. So what if it was delayed? Do you have any physical proof that the delay was for political reasons? Do you know for certain that it wasn't to insure ground forces were in place and secure enough to take the city? No. All you have is your lame attempts to now knock anything and everything that happens now that Kerry has lost.

:thumbsup:

 

[going5hole]

It seems to be your opinion that's why the attack was delayed. Perhaps the soldiers on the ground and the people actually in the country are the ones making the calls, no?Your article even claims the ultimatum was given on Sunday. So it seems they tried to be diplomatic and give them a few days to decide what to do. Could they have been waiting for all the troops to arrive into position before making the attack? A yahoo message from my brother in law tells me that his unit didn't leave Baghdad City until October 30th, on their way to Fallujah. It would seem pretty pointless to airstrike a city without sufficient ground forces to go in right afterwards, right?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

You are both missing the point!

This attack was delayed for *weeks*! It was delayed until after the election. This is playing politics with our soldiers' lives!

Maybe you are missing the point. We don't care. So what if it was delayed? Do you have any physical proof that the delay was for political reasons? Do you know for certain that it wasn't to insure ground forces were in place and secure enough to take the city? No. All you have is your lame attempts to now knock anything and everything that happens now that Kerry has lost.

This has *nothing* to do with Kerry.


Apparently you missed this thread?

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2&threadid=1413995

 

[jjzelinski]

is it not a little suspicious? There's been talk ab out this planned campaign (battle) for weeks and it coincidentally occurs preciesly 48 hours after the ecletion is sealed.

And it IS wrong for Bush Inc. to delay the campaign because what they are ineffect trying to do is hide the truth. Obviously they are worried about repelling voters, and that's disengenuous.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jtusa4

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Now that Bush won't suffer any political repercussions, the war is back on. Good thing he's making Iraq safer by attacking it again.

Second that

The US and Iraqi forces need to finally deal with Fallujah and the insurgents that infest that city.

You are both missing the point!

This attack was delayed for *weeks*! It was delayed until after the election. This is playing politics with our soldiers' lives!

Maybe you are missing the point. We don't care. So what if it was delayed? Do you have any physical proof that the delay was for political reasons? Do you know for certain that it wasn't to insure ground forces were in place and secure enough to take the city? No. All you have is your lame attempts to now knock anything and everything that happens now that Kerry has lost.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[DT4K]

Wow. One Bush victory and conjur is off the deep end.

I'm pretty impressed though. only 12 hours after the concession and you're already on the conspiracy theories. What's next? Crazy ideas about going to war for oil or something?

The war never stopped. We've been having air strikes in different areas off and on over the past couple of months and every month since the start.