War Thunder - F2P Combat Flight MMO

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Rinaun

Golden Member
Dec 30, 2005
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If you're playing this game past tier 3-5 in arcade mode solely, expect for imbalances and just general bullshit magi-carpet attack bombers levels of bad game-play. The devs themselves have compared arcade mode as a flying carpet physics fest, which means some planes are really good and some are just horrible (cough lower tier German planes). This game isn't meant to be some fair-play competitively balanced game in arcade mode. Kill stealing and ramming kinda proves this, especially when in historical mode that shit almost never happens.

If you really like this game, invest in a joystick and go historical mode or else just treat it like I do world of tanks: pop in, get 1-2 games in for bonuses, and leave it alone for a few days.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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If you're playing this game past tier 3-5 in arcade mode solely, expect for imbalances and just general bullshit magi-carpet attack bombers levels of bad game-play. The devs themselves have compared arcade mode as a flying carpet physics fest, which means some planes are really good and some are just horrible (cough lower tier German planes). This game isn't meant to be some fair-play competitively balanced game in arcade mode. Kill stealing and ramming kinda proves this, especially when in historical mode that shit almost never happens.

If you really like this game, invest in a joystick and go historical mode or else just treat it like I do world of tanks: pop in, get 1-2 games in for bonuses, and leave it alone for a few days.

I'm running into this, heavily. After liking the americans at t3 pretty well I decided to try them at t5. I still think they show potential (which is what I said about the terribad germans as well), but right now they are all stock so my climb rate is about 1200ft/min... which is COMPLETE shit, I can't even pretend to hold altitude in a sharp turn. This is more of a problem with grinding than it is with imbalance, but I'm not convinced they aren't both in play here.

Either way, it does confirm something I've been afraid of. Once past the earliest tiers, grinding is a bitch in this game. On its face, that's an asinine thing to say since grinding is unpleasant by definition. But there's a difference between an irritating play experience and an unplayable "play" experience. Nobody should ever be reduced to facerolling just so they can earn they way to the fun gameplay. It is completely obvious, and why any game developer would ever intend a play experience to be even merely irritating is beyond me. But, I can see why an executive meddler might propose it...
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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I wish the wait time for historic battles were shorter. I am not that great of a pilot and end up getting shot down most of the time and then have to wait another 5-10 minutes before I can play again.

The scenarios are interesting though, being in a small group of Hurricanes and Spitfires vs a bomber group of JU-88s with a few 109s as escorts is fun. Even managed to limp my wounded Hurricane back to the airfield after having my engine shot out in one game, sadly I couldn't get repaired and back into the fight before it was over.

If you are currently playing American in historical battles this is an issue. American planes became very popular once WT went up on Steam and they improved the DM of .50 cals.
Germany can get you into historical battles pretty fast, as can Japanese. Also, make sure if you are having wait times to change the server to "any available". And if you want to learn some tactics. Go on youtube and watch RamJB.
 
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brandonb

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 2006
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I need to reinstall this.

I'm tier 6 or so Germans at this time. I haven't found the game too unbalanced. Except for P-39 or P-40's which can insta-kill anybody with their cannon. One shot literally has my plane explode. Other than that, it seemed pretty balanced.
 

Blitzvogel

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Oct 17, 2010
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don't like mouse users then don't play arcade, problem solved

It's still fun, the action itself is better, and I don't have to wait forever between games. Plus you can actually focus on fighting instead of worrying so much about ripping the wings off or going into spins so absurdly. Spinning is way too easy in historical with single engine planes. The only aircraft I have that I truly like in historical are zerstorers and schnellbombers which do not spin so ridiculously (even non counter rotating dual props have much less prop torque!).

I just think mouse users shouldn't be able to simply "point 'n click." Mouse controls should be like the non-simplified mouse controls available in the game, that way arcade players actually have to sort of fly the plane, instead of leaving the game to take care of pitch, roll, and yaw. Using a joystick for me is more than a control preference, as I can't stand flying a plane in a fashion that completely disregards the way planes are controlled. It feels unnatural.

I just get really miffed that a mouse user can pull the plane into 90 degree attitude, and even when the plane is slowing to sub-100 km/h IAS, they can manage to get a killing cannon shot quite easily because all they have to do is point. A joystick user would be struggling to correct the plane to keep it on course in order to make that kind of attack. Same for head-ons.
 
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LurkerPrime

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Mouse controls do make things easy. But then again its needed since alot of people don't own a joystick. Also if you advance to full real battles, you pretty much have to use a joystick. By the way, I play almost all arcade battles. I tried historical, and while I found it fun, the time it takes to get to the action just isn't worth it for me.

For arcade battles, the Russians definately have the low tier advantage. The tier 0s and 1s put out more than twice the firepower than the other nations, and 3 of the planes can carry rockets. They also have the advantage in tiers 2-3 with the two available Laggs which both have 20mm canons. The light bombers are also maneuverable and carry enough bombs to take out lines of tanks in one pass if you have decent aim.

At the higher tiers the Russians start to get out classed from other nations. The American Airacobras and king cobras are on par, if not better than the Russian Yaks. The british with the tier 5 and 6 beaufighters mean death to any plane that is unlucky enough to get in thier sights with 4 20mms and 4-6 50 cals. Not to mention the tier 6 british spitfire is when they get 2 20mm cannons. So not only do the spits out maneuver anything else, at tier 6 they get the firepower to annihilate your plane in 1-2 bursts.

The Germans seem to not really come into thier prime till tier 7+. The lower tiers planes are quite lacking.

I've been playing for maybe a month and a half and the grind isn't that bad. I"m already tier 14 with the russians, and 7-9 with the other nations, except for the japanese that I haven't played at all (I find they just dont' have a well rounded selection of planes). I also like the fact that I switch back to lower tier planes with my crews at no cost (so I can play with friends that just picked up the game).

The other good things, unlike WoT is that tiers dont' matter nearly as much, if really at all. Lower tiers can still take out higher tiers planes. Hell I accidently joined a tier 8-9 match with my 0-1 russian planes (I didn't hear my brother tell me we were changing tiers before I clicked battle). I ended up getting 7 kills with my zhuckosvy bi-plane (its amazing that people will try to get in a turn battle with a biplane that easily out turns the higher tier planes).

last note (going to feed the troll): I played WoWP for the gold for that one week a few months ago. It was work to get the 200 games played to say the least. WT is a better game without a doubt in my mind. Also I find the "garage" battles a huge success in my mind. As I usually play mostly in a squad, and unlike WoT, I don't have to worry about dying, and then sitting and waiting for my squad mates to die so we can start another match. Its alot more action, and alot less stress.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Mouse aim is nice. But to truely get the most out of it you still have to use the keyboard. I can always tell who is using mouse only. They have nearly zero vertical game. So easy to farm them.
 

Possessed Freak

Diamond Member
Nov 4, 1999
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Mouse aim is nice. But to truely get the most out of it you still have to use the keyboard. I can always tell who is using mouse only. They have nearly zero vertical game. So easy to farm them.

Yep, I am "helping" my plane almost all the time using WASD. You can't turn as quick, you can't climb/drop as quick, you can't make rudder only adjustments without using WASD. The only time I use my mouse to direct my fighter is when I am generally aiming towards a far off target, like guiding my plane towards the tanks 7km out. Once I get close, I am using my keyboard again (in conjunction with the mouse).

Consider this, you are in a dogfight, your target is to the right if you use mouse aim only, your plane might aim towards it by using rudder only, or perhaps it might rotate your plane slightly. However, if I am hard on the D and then S (changing the WS to elevator control) I am turning MUCH quicker than mouse aim might have configured my flight.

Plus, you don't know the joys of doing an Immelmann in a bomber until you use the keyboard. Mouse can't do it quickly or elegantly.
 

CrackRabbit

Lifer
Mar 30, 2001
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This is game is amazing.
Which planes are your favourite?

IL-2- Rockets, Bombs, somewhat tanky and can hold it's own in a limited dogfight.

Hurricane Mk. II - While the machine guns don't have the punch of a 20mm, shooting out the control surfaces and watching the enemy pilot fly into the side of a mountain is so much fun.

JU-88 - ALL THE BOMBS! I just wish it was a bit tankier.
 

Rudee

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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I have a question about the Crew Skills component of this game. Under the Crew tab, I have 35/50 for Repair Speed, but I also have a + 30 bonus on top of that. For a total of 65. If it's out of 50, what happens to the extra 15? Does it make a difference, or is there no point in going beyond the stated maximum level?
 

gorobei

Diamond Member
Jan 7, 2007
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so i finally managed to get on a naval map, but i had no torpedo bombers. next round i equip my swordfish and its a land map.

is there any way to limit the maps in arcade mode matchmaking so i'm not flying in with torpedos on a land map?
 

ZaneNBK

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Sep 14, 2000
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so i finally managed to get on a naval map, but i had no torpedo bombers. next round i equip my swordfish and its a land map.

is there any way to limit the maps in arcade mode matchmaking so i'm not flying in with torpedos on a land map?

No. Just unload your torpedoes if you have a torpedo plane on a land map. It still won't be great but it will fly better without the torpedo weighing you down.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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You can change your loadout at the beginning of each match. A torpedo isn't optional on a Swordfish, but that does still mean you can switch from bombs to torps on your Beaufort, etc.

And I wouldn't bother with the Swordfish at all, it is just an absolutely terrible plane. Plus, rank 0-1 planes don't even get water maps, so the only time it will be able to torpedo anything is if it is seriously outgunned. Just hang in there for the Beaufort, it is a pretty nice fast/torpedo bomber.
 
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gorobei

Diamond Member
Jan 7, 2007
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i just got the beaufort, still need to unlock the torpedo racks. i guess you can still get a naval map if the rest of your planes are higher rank.

i really need to get a joystick, the event missions are saying i have enough of the allowed planes to participate. i just cant bring myself to fly with KB controls, just too reminiscent of games from the 80's. i wont go back, i cant, just cant.
 

Possessed Freak

Diamond Member
Nov 4, 1999
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How? Once I commit to battle and map displays I haven't found a way to modify load.
Map shows, choice of planes appears:

Pick your plane, change the loadout on the plane by clicking on the item, which brings up a pull down. Click button on the bottom right to load into the battle.
 

monkeydelmagico

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2011
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Map shows, choice of planes appears:

Pick your plane, change the loadout on the plane by clicking on the item, which brings up a pull down. Click button on the bottom right to load into the battle.

Your my hero. :awe: I always clicked through that screen never realizing load out options were available.

It's great being able to reduce my gunners targeting range too. Now instead of firing up all their ammo and never hitting anything I get kills and assists.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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Your my hero. :awe: I always clicked through that screen never realizing load out options were available.

It's great being able to reduce my gunners targeting range too. Now instead of firing up all their ammo and never hitting anything I get kills and assists.

That affects AI gunners too? I thought that was just for the sights on the main weapons.
 
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