WAR - what is your impression?

[Skott]

Originally posted by: racolvin
Well I bought a copy and have been playing for over a week. I've got 6 characters, 3 order and 3 destruction. And frankly I'm bored with it.

That said, I'm not a PvP/RvR person. I simply don't care for it. So that leaves the PvE content and getting ad-hoc groups together is just not happening. The mechanisms they built in are good, just the server population in the areas I'm in during the times I'm on makes it seem like the server is empty. I doubt I'll be staying with it past the free 30 days.

For the person only really interested in PvE I'd say WAR wouldnt be for them. There are other MMOs out there that hav more PvE content. I'm sure Mythic will add more PvE as times goes on but its geared more for PvP/RvR action than PvE.

 

[Malladine]

sorry to hear you're having such a bad time Mem, part of it must be the server you're on, but the performance is def. sub par imo. Drebo would disgree tho...what's your cpu? It seems to me WAR is EXTREMELY cpu dependant.

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
Now, tier 2 was a whole different ball game. I'll jump right up to where I was level 21. I had just a hair shy of 4K hps. 3950 I think. I had almost 500 strength, 395 wounds, 340 toughness, and 400+ weapon skill as my primary stats I was upping. Forgot my resists but they were decent if not maxed.

I call bullshit on this. There is no possible way you had those stats at level 21. My black orc doesn't even have that much strength or toughness. If you did have those stats at 21, you would have been unstoppable in the T2 scenarios. I call bullshit.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Malladine
sorry to hear you're having such a bad time Mem, part of it must be the server you're on, but the performance is def. sub par imo. Drebo would disgree tho...what's your cpu? It seems to me WAR is EXTREMELY cpu dependant.

The crazy thing is my laptop seems to run it better(Vista x 86)(not tried RvR however) which has less ram 3GB ,8600 gt m chip so poorer video card but Conroe 2 (2ghz) CPU,I don't think its the CPU ,if you read that huge thread you see its with all kinds of hardware from Quad to XP.

ie one guy of many posted

Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
Intel Quadcore 2.66Ghz Q9450
1024 Mb GeForce 9800 GX2
4GB Ram

Same problem

Another example of many

Bump

been following this thread since the start and am thankfull we got somany wizkids playin WAR ^^. In keep battles still thesame problem though. Mythic get off ur asses and fix ur engine...

System q6600, 4g 1066mhz ddr2 corsair, asus 4870 x2 2g gddr5, Caviar 2, assus P5KC, ....
Playing evry other game maxed out!

Referring to the vieuws this tread is gettin im not the only one.
Gonne be tryin some more of the 'solutions' on this board, however there shouldnt be anything to solve..... since Mythic should fix it not us.

I have tried dropping res right down too ,makes no difference .


Solo its fine,small groups its fine,anything like Temple scenerio where you get big groups and spell effects going off in all directions serious lag/choppyness).

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: Malladine
sorry to hear you're having such a bad time Mem, part of it must be the server you're on, but the performance is def. sub par imo. Drebo would disgree tho...what's your cpu? It seems to me WAR is EXTREMELY cpu dependant.

It's not that I disagree, it's that I haven't observed any performance issues with my system, and my system is far from modern. The only upgrade I've ever done since I put it together 2.5 years ago was the 6400+ processor.

I'd wager that all of Mem's issues stem from the server he's on. I notice exactly the opposite of what he's saying on my server. Hell, sometime, even if we do get the bauble in Mourkain Temple, we still lose because Order has so many damn healers it's impossible to kill anything. Healers are way too tough, heh.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

If you want to play Order, and are not opposed to rerolling, try the Dark Crag server. I have been playing Order on there and we win at least 50% of our scenarios, and we generally have control of at least 1 or 2 keeps. Lots of Order around as well, you don't get that "ghost town" feel anywhere really, there's been people in all the PQ's from chapter 1 up to chapter 9, where I just got to.

Also, I have been playing a BW recently, and its ridiculous how much damage I can do. I went with the (overpowered) DoT spec, and it feels a lot like playing a WoW warlock back in the day when DoTs were doing unreal damage. Really a fun class once you get a few of the class-defining abilities around level 10-15, especially the root, to help keep yourself alive for a few more precious seconds when someone is whalin' in you.

 

[tsolin01]

The fact that there's such a variety in the hardware of the people with lag/choppiness issues hints to a combination of issues rather than a single problem. NVidia users have different fixes than ATI users. I'm guessing it's not going to be just one magic thing they fix in the engine but rather a few things.

Thankfully I haven't had any major issues and I have an Intel E8500 overclocked to 3.8Ghz on a gigabyte X48-DS4 board, 4 GB DDR2, asus 4870, 1TB samsung drive, and 32 bit Vista. There's nothing special about my machine and apparently this combination works and gives me 50-90 FPS. I do get some choppiness after a few hours of play though and during scenarios.

To limit the choppiness I have to live with some limitations, turn off specular lighting and turn down texture memory slider to default which if turned all the way up would work well for an hour but eventually slow things down.

 

[Baked]

I'm on Phoenix Throne (PvE RP) and there's an over abundance of Destruction players. We win a lot of open RvR. Most of the time we out number the Order. Last night we chased the Order away on at Shadowlands. Good times. However, the Order do pretty good in Scenario.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: Malladine
sorry to hear you're having such a bad time Mem, part of it must be the server you're on, but the performance is def. sub par imo. Drebo would disgree tho...what's your cpu? It seems to me WAR is EXTREMELY cpu dependant.

It's not that I disagree, it's that I haven't observed any performance issues with my system, and my system is far from modern. The only upgrade I've ever done since I put it together 2.5 years ago was the 6400+ processor.

I'd wager that all of Mem's issues stem from the server he's on. I notice exactly the opposite of what he's saying on my server. Hell, sometime, even if we do get the bauble in Mourkain Temple, we still lose because Order has so many damn healers it's impossible to kill anything. Healers are way too tough, heh.

I'm on European server Eight Peaks,most popular European server, server has already been cloned.

Thread about my server here .

Seriously... let's throw all the fluff away and say it straight - Karak Eight Peaks is unplayable in prime time!


The issues:

1) Queues for Destruction nearing 700 after the patch with more than an hour queue time.
2) Scenarios are nearly unplayable in the prime time due to a horrible lag.


What we tried:

1) Server Cloning - to be frank, while the idea is nice - it simply failed to do anything, apparently...
2) Queue bypass on disconnection - another excellent and very much needed fix, however it made queue times even longer.


What we can try:

1) Improve server hardware... While it is apparent solution, I understand that if it was as simple as that it would have been done by now. Still one can hope they are just slacking there, instead of having a technical issue with doing server upgrades, like compatibility or something.

2) Close character creation option on Karak Eight Peaks - if you can - make it available only to those who already have a character existing on KEP... Yes this will suck for our friends who would like to play with us, but seriously it just can't continue this way...

3) Rename Karak Eight Peaks - as funny as that is - I am sure that it is overpopulated because of it's name - renaming it will cut out new players flow to this server.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: HumblePie
Now, tier 2 was a whole different ball game. I'll jump right up to where I was level 21. I had just a hair shy of 4K hps. 3950 I think. I had almost 500 strength, 395 wounds, 340 toughness, and 400+ weapon skill as my primary stats I was upping. Forgot my resists but they were decent if not maxed.

I call bullshit on this. There is no possible way you had those stats at level 21. My black orc doesn't even have that much strength or toughness. If you did have those stats at 21, you would have been unstoppable in the T2 scenarios. I call bullshit.

It's been awhile. I could be off on a few, but not the strength. The strength I had, mainly because witches get a tactic that adds a big bonus to strength that scales as I level. I was also in blues or purps with talismans, and running around with every buff I could possibly get. So, I'm not exaggerating. Get the realm buff, get the city buff, get a sergeants buff, then get all the player buffs, some pots, and yah, my stats are damn close to what I listed at level 21. Were they always at that? No, but I do remember seeing what I could do to get them as high as possible for RVR.

I was basically going for gear that added +str, +wounds, +weapon skill, +tough, +resistance, and had a talisman slot. Most of my gear then had 3 of the stats I wanted fairly big, with either resistances OR a slot. If it had a slot, I was slotted a T2 talisman I made. Like I said, I didn't focus too much on resistances, just the stats. Lucky for me, I was the highest WE in my guild, so anytime anyone found any decent WE gear they tossed it my way

I also, try to do RVR with only guildies or people I know that will try to heal me. If I get those people, I go a bit off the crazy end and actually push forward with my witch to attack people whether they see me or not. Mainly because I have a good chance to win, or at least live, with a healer at my back.

If don't have a healer, I have to pick off the mostly dead, or chars way off on their own.

Also, toughness mitigates quite a bit of damage, but not as much as pure armor class goes. A witch with 300 toughness does NOT equal anywhere near the same mitigation as say a tank with even 200 toughness. Look at WarDB and compare the light armor/robes versus medium armor/robes versus heavy armor. You'll see this break down.

Light armor = Light Robes (had to point this out to a few people that thought robes in this game are worse than armor)

Medium armor = Medium Robes

Medium = 2x Light

Heavy = 2x Medium


It's a real simple break down. I am not sure off hand out much damage mitigation comes per point of AC. But about 7 or 8 points of toughens = 1 point of dps mitigation if memory serves me right. So even if I have 100 toughness more than a tank because I went all for that, I'll only get about 12.5 dps mitigation. I am sure that 4 times my armor class though = way more than that in mitigation.

Also, for the break down on base health.

IB = BO = Chosen = SM (top tier health)

WE = WH = Marauder = WL (next teir down)

WP = DOK = RP = AM = Zealot (just slightly below the above teir)

Engy = SW = Magus = BW = Sorc (bottom tier of health)

These are rough equivalents of health tiers at base. Easy enough to compare. Just have people take off everything they are wearing and report to you what their base stats wounds are. Every point of wounds = 10 hp and that's the break down.

And I mentioned that while I could kill people in T2 1 v 1 or even 1 v 2 with zero hassle, it was the fact that it's nearly impossible to find that outside ganking people questing in the RVR area. Most scenarios or siege war involve MANY people all grouped near each other. Because of that, I could kill someone if I didn't have a healer to help me, but usually I would die as well. Which means, getting rebuffed again. So I tried not to do that.

Trust me, I know how to play the witch elf. Big massive battles are not the forte of the witch elf. If you aren't with people you know that will toss you heals, then you are an afterthought to most people. You are a squishy to both sides, so healers on your side will tend to focus on tanks and the opposing team will focus on taking you down because well, witches have to be close to do damage. Being close to do damage while being squishy means being easy to kill.



The only time witches and hunters do really well in a mass battle is if the other side is being routed. OHHH show a witch or hunter your lovely backside while running and getting no support. That's pretty much death for anyone running.

A couple weeks back on volkmarr (I think 2 saturday nights ago) there was a bunch of keep sieging going on in the t2 barak varr area. I would hang back and let our side do it's thing. I would try to nail a couple guys trying to flank our healers, but for the most part stayed away from the main action on the bridge. If I could, I would man a ballistic weapon of some sort. Soon as destruction broke enough of the order to get them all to start running back to their war camp I would spring into action. Ohh the death spam of killing blows I would land. Usually about 6 to 10 in the few minutes it took order to run back to the warcamp.

 

[Wreckem]

As for order vs destruction, T4 sucks!!! At least on volkmarr. My guild has a bunch of healers, but not all of them are T4 yet. Every scenario or RVR is a pain watching order roll over us due to them have 10 times as many healers. We are lucky if there is a lower level DoK running around on our side actually healing. The few shamans I see typically spam nukes not heals. The last time I saw a T4 zealot was the last time I saw a flying purple hippo. No point to being a witch elf to take down the healers, because they all stand right next to each other in the back. I try to stealth up to one I think is a little bit alone and take down, I only draw the attention of every other healer who then heals each other. Making it impossible to kill anything. Funny thing is, we can have triple the amount of people in an RVR area and still get rolled at every flag or keep point. No healers = no win. At least at higher levels. Lower levels it's not so bad, but at higher it's stupid how powerful the healer classes are and how much they can add to RVR. Oh well, time to get my DoK alt up.

Yeah most Shamans are like that. I used to be as well, but now I heal and only nuke for killing blows on people trying to escape.

 

[Mem]

I just played Phoenix Gate , we had no IB or SM but still won some how,they used me mainly as the melee guy(WP) so I was fighting more then healing won 264 -162,lost on Troll Crossing(whats new) but won again on Phoenix gate by 172-62 points.


Lag wise its bad in the Temple Scenerio as I stated earlier and lag free on Phoenix Gate,troll Crossing varies.

I notice the empire regions seem to lag more then the Dwarf and Elf Kingdom.

Btw just crashed as I clicked on one item in my inventory,been crash free all day until just now.

 

[Modelworks]

One thing that has helped me a lot has been addons.
They work similar to the way they did in Wow.
So far just using clock and clean unit frames.
Clean unit frames has been great for me because it makes it so I can finally fit all the warbands, and groups on the screen and still be able to see the action.
It also upped my fps about 3fps, not sure why.
Clock of course, puts a clock on screen.
There are some other addons but I haven't tried those yet.
Got them from http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/default.aspx

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: tsolin01
The fact that there's such a variety in the hardware of the people with lag/choppiness issues hints to a combination of issues rather than a single problem. NVidia users have different fixes than ATI users. I'm guessing it's not going to be just one magic thing they fix in the engine but rather a few things.

Thankfully I haven't had any major issues and I have an Intel E8500 overclocked to 3.8Ghz on a gigabyte X48-DS4 board, 4 GB DDR2, asus 4870, 1TB samsung drive, and 32 bit Vista. There's nothing special about my machine and apparently this combination works and gives me 50-90 FPS. I do get some choppiness after a few hours of play though and during scenarios.

To limit the choppiness I have to live with some limitations, turn off specular lighting and turn down texture memory slider to default which if turned all the way up would work well for an hour but eventually slow things down.

I'm going to uninstall my open beta client version and try the retail version from my CE DVD box,I read its hit or miss if it works,however I have nothing to lose by trying except some of my free time.

 

[flexy]

i bought two retail keys as well as two time cards online, and we used the free open beta client which we downloaded w/ bittorrent.

After you apply the retail key the client patches itself to the retail.

Performance wise..runs smooth as silk...(on my gf 8800 512) fps up to 90ish+....i am actually forcing vsync on with Nvidia control panel now, consistent 60 fps+

 

[Mem]

I'm defragging at the moment so will let you know later how it goes with regards to my lagging issues.

While I'm here lets talk about crafting,I decided to go with the talisman crafting and magical salvaging,however most times I try to salvage a green item(ie armour) it says skill level too low,I'm still trying to get a fragment so I can start my talisman crafting.

I find it not easy to start with as you don't know what item you actually need for the fragment slot ,also with my magical salvaging skill level being too low is not helping any,where am I supposed to start?


I'm going to try this lag fix later as well if my issues are not fixed,at least I'm not the only one with the problem,its still defragging.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Is anyone else starting to feel down about the game? I'm about to hit T2 and the thought of PvE in this game makes me want to puke. I need my level 40 easy button pronto.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Is anyone else starting to feel down about the game? I'm about to hit T2 and the thought of PvE in this game makes me want to puke. I need my level 40 easy button pronto.

All you can do is try different quest areas (ie Empire/elf/Dwarf Kingdom) and while you are doing them queue up for RvR Scenerio's etc which give decent exp compared to quests at later levels.

Having different classes on same server helps too if you get bored with one.


I have seen some level 40 guys,no idea how they got there so fast,they must of put some very serious hours in thats for sure,I've two classes at 20 and one at 18,I'll get there sooner or later.

Remember the game is more then just about getting to 40.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Is anyone else starting to feel down about the game? I'm about to hit T2 and the thought of PvE in this game makes me want to puke. I need my level 40 easy button pronto.

All you can do is try different quest areas (ie Empire/elf/Dwarf Kingdom) and while you are doing them queue up for RvR Scenerio's etc which give decent exp compared to quests at later levels.

Having different classes on same server helps too if you get bored with one.


I have seen some level 40 guys,no idea how they got there so fast,they must of put some very serious hours in thats for sure,I've two classes at 20 and one at 18,I'll get there sooner or later.

Remember the game is more then just about getting to 40.

Exactly and that's the point. I want to do RVR (not scenarios!) not grind away in horrible PvE for 6-8 days played just to get there.

 

[Scrimmy]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Is anyone else starting to feel down about the game? I'm about to hit T2 and the thought of PvE in this game makes me want to puke. I need my level 40 easy button pronto.

All you can do is try different quest areas (ie Empire/elf/Dwarf Kingdom) and while you are doing them queue up for RvR Scenerio's etc which give decent exp compared to quests at later levels.

Having different classes on same server helps too if you get bored with one.


I have seen some level 40 guys,no idea how they got there so fast,they must of put some very serious hours in thats for sure,I've two classes at 20 and one at 18,I'll get there sooner or later.

Remember the game is more then just about getting to 40.

I think it's pretty much entirely dependent on your server. I'm on a high pop server (Azazel) and there's usually some random RvR going on at any given time. I don't think most people realize how good the exp and renown gain actually are, though, and just assume it's like world PvP in WoW (i.e. awful and slow), so they tend to just grind out scenarios, which forces people to ... grind out scenarios for lots of PvP. I think this will change as more people realize how good the exp and renown rewards are for keep assaults.

Honestly, though, you can level to 40 without spending much time at all doing PvE. I got a Swordmaster to 26 through a combination of PvE (PQs and random questing) and RvR/Scenarios, then decided to reroll to an Archmage. A friend of mine just started the game so we've been grinding scenarios for exp and it's actually better experience than how I was doing it with my Swordmaster.

We just ran to Marsh of Madness (the zone for Mourkain with the two scenario quests) and planted ourselves there. Queue up for a scenario and check your world map to see if any keeps are being attacked, then you can either hop into a scenario or run out to the keep to see what's going on, depending on your mood. Exp is actually extremely good if you're grinding scenarios and doing the two quest turn-ins, and you can keep your gear updated with renown rewards and the occasional PQ grind for a break.

 

[tsolin01]

Originally posted by: Mem
I'm defragging at the moment so will let you know later how it goes with regards to my lagging issues.

While I'm here lets talk about crafting,I decided to go with the talisman crafting and magical salvaging,however most times I try to salvage a green item(ie armour) it says skill level too low,I'm still trying to get a fragment so I can start my talisman crafting.

I find it not easy to start with as you don't know what item you actually need for the fragment slot ,also with my magical salvaging skill level being too low is not helping any,where am I supposed to start?


I'm going to try this lag fix later as well if my issues are not fixed,at least I'm not the only one with the problem,its still defragging.

I'm doing talisman making and magical salvaging also. From what I've seen, the level of your salvaging skill corresponds to the level of the items you can salvage. You should have really started off by salvaging items from rank 1 or whenever you could train for salvaging. The items there will skill you up some and you just keep going as you rank up.

These are just from what i've seen but here's what I think the maximum item rank you can salvage given the level:

salvaging skill 1-25 = max item rank 11
salvaging skill 25-50 = max item rank 19
salvaging skill 50-75 = max item rank 25
salvaging skill 75-100 = max item rank 31

I know it's probably a tier based pattern but I haven't gone into detail to really test it out.

Right now i'm just salvaging all the random drops i'm getting and skilling up with those. I just buy the rest of the ingredients from the merchants. One problem I ran into was that I was leveling faster than my talisman skills could handle. The areas i was in produced level 50 fragments when I was only around 30-40. So I had to go farm for lower stuff or just went and bought from the renown vendors.

The best talismans I've made so far have been 7 for the stats (I only make str or toughness), lasting 2 days and I'm currently level 105 talisman making and salvaging around the same.

 

[Pelu]

Originally posted by: mharr7
Got my sorcerer up to lvl 13...im having a blast with it...nice time sink

My sorc kicks ass....I keep finishing 1st and 2nd on damage done in the PVP scenarios

omg... sorcerer, I am starting to hate it...

 

[Magusigne]

Originally posted by: Pelu

Originally posted by: mharr7
Got my sorcerer up to lvl 13...im having a blast with it...nice time sink

My sorc kicks ass....I keep finishing 1st and 2nd on damage done in the PVP scenarios

omg... sorcerer, I am starting to hate it...

I'm enjoying my Zealot ALOT.

I actually am preferring healing over doing damage in this game..I don't know what it is about this game but killing players doesn't really do anything for me..I have no clue why it doesn't..

Anyways try a heal class..not that bad at all!

Zealots FTW!

 

[Baked]

Oh man, we spent 2+ hours last night trying to sack Spite's Reach and failed. Order had 10 people on the 2nd level, Destruction had 20 at least, but our only healers were DoKs, and they had some bastard who kept punting people off balconies. I need to get to lvl 20 and buy a mount, running around on foot is ridiculous and faking lvl 18 in RvP is simply not enough. I got cut down way too often.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: tsolin01

Originally posted by: Mem
I'm defragging at the moment so will let you know later how it goes with regards to my lagging issues.

While I'm here lets talk about crafting,I decided to go with the talisman crafting and magical salvaging,however most times I try to salvage a green item(ie armour) it says skill level too low,I'm still trying to get a fragment so I can start my talisman crafting.

I find it not easy to start with as you don't know what item you actually need for the fragment slot ,also with my magical salvaging skill level being too low is not helping any,where am I supposed to start?


I'm going to try this lag fix later as well if my issues are not fixed,at least I'm not the only one with the problem,its still defragging.

I'm doing talisman making and magical salvaging also. From what I've seen, the level of your salvaging skill corresponds to the level of the items you can salvage. You should have really started off by salvaging items from rank 1 or whenever you could train for salvaging. The items there will skill you up some and you just keep going as you rank up.

These are just from what i've seen but here's what I think the maximum item rank you can salvage given the level:

salvaging skill 1-25 = max item rank 11
salvaging skill 25-50 = max item rank 19
salvaging skill 50-75 = max item rank 25
salvaging skill 75-100 = max item rank 31

I know it's probably a tier based pattern but I haven't gone into detail to really test it out.

Right now i'm just salvaging all the random drops i'm getting and skilling up with those. I just buy the rest of the ingredients from the merchants. One problem I ran into was that I was leveling faster than my talisman skills could handle. The areas i was in produced level 50 fragments when I was only around 30-40. So I had to go farm for lower stuff or just went and bought from the renown vendors.

The best talismans I've made so far have been 7 for the stats (I only make str or toughness), lasting 2 days and I'm currently level 105 talisman making and salvaging around the same.

I actually started early on the crafting side but its the drops I was getting(green item wise),oh well I can go back later and see if that makes any difference.

Update on my lag/choppy gameplay its still there so nothing I can do my end,I played Troll Crossing again (dont know why I keep trying but I do)and the Destruction guys won again by 500-48 (Joke I know but balance issues ),Phoenix Gate was hmm root the Order guys 1000x then range and melee attack them,I was dieing every 60 secs at our flag base,balance class issues again and they need to sort those roots out we have no defence against score was hmm (122-468) Destruction side win.Temple I avoid due to lag.

I'm 21 level now so can try Tier 3 but I bet thats going to be a nightmare.

I don't know if I'm going to stay it seems Order side is lacking something for sure,they really need to make it more appealing to go to Order side,my server is probably the no.1 server in Europe population wise.

I'm having no luck in anything at the moment,crafting ,RvR etc...