WAR - what is your impression?

[HeroOfPellinor]

Mall, that's not going to be easy to do since the mdps is usually targetting something squishy, which means near the back of the enemy lines which means you need to move near your own front lines to heal them.

I know full well the devestation of a good mdps, but keeping them alive is really not your job. That's for the DoK and the WP.....the front line healers. Newbs may let you get away with moving to the front lines, but any healer there is a major threat and needs immediate attention. That's my first target always as a SW........a forward healer.

Anyway, I joined a scenario late yesterday. Almost four minutes had gone by and we were down 220 to 20 and the team was grumbling. I jumped in.....taking down any wounded, front line healers, then the rdps. We ended up winning 500 to 340. I'm not saying that was all me, but I think my play had to have had an impact.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Mall, that's not going to be easy to do since the mdps is usually targetting something squishy, which means near the back of the enemy lines which means you need to move near your own front lines to heal them.

I know full well the devestation of a good mdps, but keeping them alive is really not your job. That's for the DoK and the WP.....the front line healers. Newbs may let you get away with moving to the front lines, but any healer there is a major threat and needs immediate attention. That's my first target always as a SW........a forward healer.

Anyway, I joined a scenario late yesterday. Almost four minutes had gone by and we were down 220 to 20 and the team was grumbling. I jumped in.....taking down any wounded, front line healers, then the rdps. We ended up winning 500 to 340. I'm not saying that was all me, but I think my play had to have had an impact.

I disagree with characterizing the DOK/WP as a front line healer. A more accurate portrayal would be DOK/WP are AoE/group healers while everyone else are spot healers. WP/DOK are the worst equipped of all healers to deal with single target healing.

There is a skill tree that's somewhat devoted to front line healing, but realistically, they don't have the survivability sit up there with the tanks, and the AoE healing tree ends up being much more effective.

As an AoE healer, you're going to spend 90% of your time in the back with the other healers, only running to the front to build RF with our AoE damage skill, then retreating again.

 

[Mem]

I played some more the last couple of days to see if anything has improved on my server,well Scenerio's are the same down to best group class balance,the team with best balance normally wins,we had no healers and lost then we had no tanks(SMs or IBs) and lost ,tried RvR today saw a level 26 Zealot that was my level so thought great one on one well he runs away in RvR area(tier 3 RvR avelorn area) so I follow chase next thing he has 5 destruction guys helping him 6 on 1 well yes I died which is fair(anything can happen in RvR) but on our server destruction outnumbered us in RvR area even in avelorn so I'm thinking whats the point of RvR if you are outnumbered and nobody wants one on one fight?...

I'll probably stay away now from RvR until its more balanced.


Point I'm making is not about winning but a fair fight where we have 50/50 chance guess too much to ask,frustation in the game happens often,to be fair I had one good battle in Scenerio yesterday out of 12 so far (last 3 days) where we lost 487-500 but it was a close one that I really enjoyed.

The Isa temple scenerio in tier 3 is always hard for us(like 50-500) most times ,I put it down to having WHs has our main tanks/fighters since we normally lack IBs/SMs and to be fair they have a tough job on their hands against normally a more balanced Destruction side.

Lag is hit or miss too,so thats a problem, some days better then others.

Yesterday I went into a low level area PVE area troll county (12-13) to help out Order players that had not enough players or tanks for the troll PQ ,I was main tank for them,beats RvR when you are outnumbered and helping is always a good cause.

Combat is annoying sometimes when you get out of range and the enemyt player is right next to you(lag I guess?).

Latest patch is weird too,on my server its causing a long time(loading of map wise) to actually go into Scenerios (when you get the pop up to go in and click accept)
Anyway going back in now to try some more Scenerio's to see how they pan out.

Feedback above I posted is from other players too that have similar issues on our server.

 

[Pelu]

how is the wurtbad server performing... how much people is there?

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: ggnl
I disagree with characterizing the DOK/WP as a front line healer. A more accurate portrayal would be DOK/WP are AoE/group healers while everyone else are spot healers. WP/DOK are the worst equipped of all healers to deal with single target healing.

There is a skill tree that's somewhat devoted to front line healing, but realistically, they don't have the survivability sit up there with the tanks, and the AoE healing tree ends up being much more effective.

As an AoE healer, you're going to spend 90% of your time in the back with the other healers, only running to the front to build RF with our AoE damage skill, then retreating again.

I think HoP is right, WP/DoK are definitely front line healers. My armour is 1050 without the buff and i'm only 24. And my HP is 3600. Very nice survivability given that and detaunt. AoE healing for me is very limited. Prayer of devotion is sort of AoE and seems weak, even going path of grace, and the holy strike that heals, I forget the name because i don't really use it, heals a very small amount also. Since focus fire is the threat in RvR I don't see much use for AoE healing. And if you stay in melee, single target healing is actually pretty effective.

So yeah, I like to be in melee most of my time, healing from there, sometimes running back to save rdps or weaker healers from marauders or witch elves. I stay in melee because 1. my buffs/debuffs are wicked, and 2. so's my damage.

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Mall, that's not going to be easy to do since the mdps is usually targetting something squishy, which means near the back of the enemy lines which means you need to move near your own front lines to heal them.

I know full well the devestation of a good mdps, but keeping them alive is really not your job. That's for the DoK and the WP.....the front line healers. Newbs may let you get away with moving to the front lines, but any healer there is a major threat and needs immediate attention. That's my first target always as a SW........a forward healer.

Anyway, I joined a scenario late yesterday. Almost four minutes had gone by and we were down 220 to 20 and the team was grumbling. I jumped in.....taking down any wounded, front line healers, then the rdps. We ended up winning 500 to 340. I'm not saying that was all me, but I think my play had to have had an impact.

I love games like that. And the health bars don't show up til they're hurt mechanic really helps track down the injured enemy and finish them off.

As far as my healing (with my shaman) mdps, the range is significant, i can hang at the back and get tons of healing done. And I do get targetted, no doubt, but against a single aggressor I can last quite a while unless they get a crit chain. They do prevent my healing others though, for sure.

 

[Mem]

I think HoP is right, WP/DoK are definitely front line healers

I play as the group or party requires WP wise,example being no healers then I just heal best I can,too many healers then I mix in with the melee guys as combat class,Witch hunters need all the help they can get when you got no Sword masters or Ironbreakers,as WP I heal when I see a person needs it but I also will do combat and have killed my fair share of Destruction tanks etc...

You have to adapt sometimes depending on the map and group,obviously some classes like WP can adapt better then other classes etc...

You know what gets me annoyed is some healers in Scenerios(speaking as a WP) I've seen healers in our group charge(Archmage this example) as front line class like they are tanks,I remind them they should be behind our melee/tank guys supporting them,you get a healer moan that he died because he got no heals so I say to him hmm you should not be leading the attack as healer or be in the very front line anyway.

 

[HumblePie]

As a witch elf, as HoP stated ,I pretty much sit back in the far back of our group and wait until I see someone on order make a mistake I can pounce upon. Usually when I do pounce, I nail whoever I go after, usually a RDPS and a healer at the same time, which typically breaks the order guys. Sometimes I get lucky and manage to live through those 1 or two kills. If I do then as the order team breaks apart I can wreak absolute havok. I mean 5 to 6 solo kills in a row as order runs around like chickens with their head cut off.

The OTHER tactic I employ as WE is bait. I don't go exactly near the front lines but if I move up just a tad behind the tanks but still just a little bit out of range of the RDPS on the other side... I'm like a magnet. I'm seriously. You'll see sooo many idiots that think LOOK SQUISHY WE!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!11one!!1

They rush in like imbeciles, especially tanks, and move out of range of their healing just to get a piece of me. I guess it's the bikini I wear? I'm not sure. But it's seriously funny because it's like I have the chaotic rift skill without actually having it RVR or scenarios, the place doesn't make a difference because they all do the same.

Mem, I will tell you this straight up, a balanced group doesn't always mean the best either. I know an order guild on my server that absolutely RAPES in RVR because they only have 3 classes really: BWs, RPs, and AMs. They can dominate because the healers just focus heal on whomever is being smacked and the BWs have plenty of crowd control and fire power to basically annihilate everything in front of them. 6+ BWs focus firing on any single target = dead target no matter what healing that target may have. Basically been reminding me of Guild Wars all over again when nothing but elementalist and monk teams.

 

[Mem]

Mem, I will tell you this straight up, a balanced group doesn't always mean the best either. I know an order guild on my server that absolutely RAPES in RVR because they only have 3 classes really:

Balance group helps a lot on TA map scenerio,I know for a fact Destruction normally win that,did some more stats on that map we won 3 out of 22,when we did win we had a balance group unfortunately on our server on that map its rare you see any Swordmasters,we normally have WHs as the main fighters,if we are lucky we get an Iron breaker,today we almost lost 0-500 due to group imbalance on our side we had no offence basically and that should not happen.

Lag in scenerio's is still there now and then,I go to hit an enemy player who's on top of me and next think I get "out of range " message and he's like 25ft away.
Open RvR in tier 3 is almost empty unless you want 1 on 5 battle with you being the one guy on Order,I think most are in the tier 4 RvR area now,remember I'm on the most populated European server.

I got an email saying got 7 days free playing time left,I don't think I'm going to renew due to the game not being fun enough for me to subscribe, Order classes with low population (player wise) missing on our server like swordmasters,you got more chance of seeing a live Dodo,Destruction seem to have no shortage of any class in scenerio's obviously the more times you win the quicker you level up since you get more exp,unfortunately on our server its Destruction guys that are up there in the numbers.

Quite normal to see level 28-31 destruction guys against level 21-26 on Order side with no melee fighters like Swordmasters /Ironbreakers missing on maps like TA etc..Most of the PQs are empty now on Order side,if I'm lucky I'll see one guy.

I don't think I'll come back to the game 6 months down the road,time for me to try a totally different MMORPG with no orcs,elves etc..

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Mem

I think HoP is right, WP/DoK are definitely front line healers

I play as the group or party requires WP wise,example being no healers then I just heal best I can,too many healers then I mix in with the melee guys as combat class,Witch hunters need all the help they can get when you got no Sword masters or Ironbreakers,as WP I heal when I see a person needs it but I also will do combat and have killed my fair share of Destruction tanks etc...

You have to adapt sometimes depending on the map and group,obviously some classes like WP can adapt better then other classes etc...

You know what gets me annoyed is some healers in Scenerios(speaking as a WP) I've seen healers in our group charge(Archmage this example) as front line class like they are tanks,I remind them they should be behind our melee/tank guys supporting them,you get a healer moan that he died because he got no heals so I say to him hmm you should not be leading the attack as healer or be in the very front line anyway.

Those healers are forward for the same reason Mall was....they're trying to take care of the mdps. Tremendously effective until he gets picked off and then the whole team is diminished.

I started out as a WP. Sitting in the back healing and then praying and then healing was a real waste of time. I was way more effective when I buddied a melee and waded into the front lines. Always had plenty of divine fury, kept the guys there alive long enough for either our rdps to move up or to break down the lines......in balanced games........unbalanced games there are no rules because even being a great player is ineffective.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Mem

Mem, I will tell you this straight up, a balanced group doesn't always mean the best either. I know an order guild on my server that absolutely RAPES in RVR because they only have 3 classes really:

Balance group helps a lot on TA map scenerio,I know for a fact Destruction normally win that,did some more stats on that map we won 3 out of 22,when we did win we had a balance group unfortunately on our server on that map its rare you see any Swordmasters,we normally have WHs as the main fighters,if we are lucky we get an Iron breaker,today we almost lost 0-500 due to group imbalance on our side we had no offence basically and that should not happen.

Lag in scenerio's is still there now and then,I go to hit an enemy player who's on top of me and next think I get "out of range " message and he's like 25ft away.
Open RvR in tier 3 is almost empty unless you want 1 on 5 battle with you being the one guy on Order,I think most are in the tier 4 RvR area now,remember I'm on the most populated European server.

I got an email saying got 7 days free playing time left,I don't think I'm going to renew due to the game not being fun enough for me to subscribe, Order classes with low population (player wise) missing on our server like swordmasters,you got more chance of seeing a live Dodo,Destruction seem to have no shortage of any class in scenerio's obviously the more times you win the quicker you level up since you get more exp,unfortunately on our server its Destruction guys that are up there in the numbers.

Quite normal to see level 28-31 destruction guys against level 21-26 on Order side with no melee fighters like Swordmasters /Ironbreakers missing on maps like TA etc..Most of the PQs are empty now on Order side,if I'm lucky I'll see one guy.

I don't think I'll come back to the game 6 months down the road,time for me to try a totally different MMORPG with no orcs,elves etc..

If you're on a low pop server, have you considered transferring? On Red Eye Mountain all those things are true, but to a much smaller degree. IME, we win about 40% of the time.

 

[jackace]

For me the game was a blast in tiers 1 and 2. Tier 3 got tedious, and tier 4 is just down right annoying. Now I have alts scattered around tiers 1 and 2 and that is all I do.

 

[Mem]

If you're on a low pop server, have you considered transferring? On Red Eye Mountain all those things are true, but to a much smaller degree. IME, we win about 40% of the time.

As I said I'm on the most populated European server,I think a lot have left or are in tier 4 areas,remember you can't use an European key on a US based server and vice versa,I did go back in lastnight and to my surprise we had two IBs and Swordmaster and we won on TA map it was close like 500-492 but this is how I would like to see the scenerio's where both sides have an even chance,again its down to group balance,I been told Destruction guys love playing TA map and I can see why.

I was on one TA map lastnight and we had no BWs,no IBs,no Swordmasters,just WH,WL,Archmage and WP and lost big time due to their black orcs,chosen and range/healers that picked us apart,basically we had no dps hitting guys, score was 20-500

I did have one very unbalanced scenerio lastnight,crater map it was like 2 Order guys(including myself) against 4 Destruction guys,very unbalanced from however which way you look at it.

My findings are tier 1,2 leveling is enjoyable and OK ,tier 3 is tedious and becomes a grind fest between quests and scenerio's,don't know about Tier 4 yet however I'm nearly at level 30.

Some of those Destruction classes were killing us with one range attack "nasty" even when we are at full health and we were within 2 levels of them,I don't think any class on either side should be able to do that,especially if its hmm root , one range attack dead ,respawn,repeat,kills the game .

I don't know how popuation will be effected by the next WoW expansion pack but they do need to put in some more classes and address some issues soon as possible.

We even had Destruction guys moaning there was no Order players in Tier 4 open RvR areas lastnight.

I was thinking this was the most populated European server few weeks ago with 30-50 mins queues.
Anyway I hear another patch is due soon,we can only hope it helps improve the game.

 

[CVSiN]

Well WAR was promising to me and my girl.. but as of today we are both cancelled.

just not as fun as WOW overall. she had already gone back weeks ago and told me to cancel her accounts.
I kept trying to have fun but the game is slow... slow leveling.. slow actions.. just slow. and really cant get into it.
the BGs and RVR areas are fun (when there are people actually doing it...) and all but that isnt enough.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: jackace
For me the game was a blast in tiers 1 and 2. Tier 3 got tedious, and tier 4 is just down right annoying. Now I have alts scattered around tiers 1 and 2 and that is all I do.

I agree. I have about 6 characters now between lvls 19-22 because I just can't keep playing them once I get into tier 3.

The good news is that this game has totally sapped any remaining desire I had to play an MMO. It's nice to have free time.

 

[Malladine]

slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

Well I do like the no gear grinding.. but they have replaced it with super slow leveling to the point its frustrating.

hell its quicker to go from 60-70 in WoW than it is 1-20 in WAR. I lost interest in all of my chars just getting to level 15ish. Kat got 1 to 20 and still didn't like it.. said it felt like hitting a brick wall.


I like WAR I do.. but I like the PVP portion and absolutely detest what they have passed off as PVE.

It also doesnt help that most servers feel like ghost towns still.
Our main server was on the list for the char moves we moved and things are still dead even on the new server.

I dunno.. I want to like this game I really do.. but it just doesnt do it for me the way WoW does or did.. Lich King is 2 weeks away and as of now me and my wife are both going back after participating the the beta the last 6 months its very solid. and the new DK class is just plain cool.

Just to tell you how into WAR we were we both got CE editions and played the beta.
so this is not something we are taking lightly.. we really wanted to like WAR. it just doesn't fit us.

 

[JD50]

The sucky PVE and slow leveling has just about killed this game for me.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

Well I do like the no gear grinding.. but they have replaced it with super slow leveling to the point its frustrating.

hell its quicker to go from 60-70 in WoW than it is 1-20 in WAR. I lost interest in all of my chars just getting to level 15ish. Kat got 1 to 20 and still didn't like it.. said it felt like hitting a brick wall.


I like WAR I do.. but I like the PVP portion and absolutely detest what they have passed off as PVE.

It also doesnt help that most servers feel like ghost towns still.
Our main server was on the list for the char moves we moved and things are still dead even on the new server.

I dunno.. I want to like this game I really do.. but it just doesnt do it for me the way WoW does or did.. Lich King is 2 weeks away and as of now me and my wife are both going back after participating the the beta the last 6 months its very solid. and the new DK class is just plain cool.

Just to tell you how into WAR we were we both got CE editions and played the beta.
so this is not something we are taking lightly.. we really wanted to like WAR. it just doesn't fit us.

Too be honest I like WAR over WoW which IMHO is well overated , 4 months playing in WoW was enough to convince me I was wasting my time with another boring MMORPG,I just have to wait for Stargate and next Star wars MMORPG ,time to go back to sci-fi where I had fun,each to their own as they say.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

Well I do like the no gear grinding.. but they have replaced it with super slow leveling to the point its frustrating.

hell its quicker to go from 60-70 in WoW than it is 1-20 in WAR. I lost interest in all of my chars just getting to level 15ish. Kat got 1 to 20 and still didn't like it.. said it felt like hitting a brick wall.


I like WAR I do.. but I like the PVP portion and absolutely detest what they have passed off as PVE.

It also doesnt help that most servers feel like ghost towns still.
Our main server was on the list for the char moves we moved and things are still dead even on the new server.

I dunno.. I want to like this game I really do.. but it just doesnt do it for me the way WoW does or did.. Lich King is 2 weeks away and as of now me and my wife are both going back after participating the the beta the last 6 months its very solid. and the new DK class is just plain cool.

Just to tell you how into WAR we were we both got CE editions and played the beta.
so this is not something we are taking lightly.. we really wanted to like WAR. it just doesn't fit us.

Too be honest I like WAR over WoW which IMHO is well overated , 4 months playing in WoW was enough to convince me I was wasting my time with another boring MMORPG,I just have to wait for Stargate and next Star wars MMORPG ,time to go back to sci-fi where I had fun,each to their own as they say.

Yeh Exactly.. see WoW has been the only game in history to keep me playing and subscribing for 4 years.. I actually was playing the Alpha for it in early 2003 and yet I still play now in almost 2009 and still find fun things to do...

sure I dont play like I once used to.. and in fact Ive turned quite casual..maybe 2-4 hours per WEEK now.. but there is still fun things out there..

 

[drebo]

T3 leveling is insanely slow. There aren't nearly enough quests and the EXP rewards are way too slow.

I think that someone calculated it out, and if you were to do every single T3 quest for all three race pairings, you would end at like level 27. That's four levels of grinding PQs and/or Scenarios. Most likely it'd be scenarios because no one does the T3 PQs.

It's rough...real rough...in T3. They've been increasing the Exp in T3, but they need to keep going. It's not good enough yet.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

They removed the gear focus and gold sinks but they didn't replace them with anything.

Rewards from PQs and RvR suck. The crafting system sucks. The talent trees are lackluster and dont really influence play style. The trophies are unimpressive. The mounts suck, and aren't interchangable. There's just nothing to look forward to.

The thing that kept me playing WoW feverishly was that there was always some badass reward just around the corner. Lvls 1-21 of WAR feel like that. You're getting new skills every level and the gear upgrades are still somewhat meaningful, but then you get to tier 3 and there's nothing new to look forward to. From lvl 22-31 I'll get maybe 1-2 useful skills, and some more craptastic vendor bought gear that doesn't even look different from the stuff its replacing. Give me a break! It's like they put all this really fun stuff in the game (PQs, RvR) but gave us no reason to do it. Where's the character progression!?! If I want to have fun without rewards I'll play an FPS. I play MMOs to get uber.

Also, the game client still sucks compared to WoW. I was hoping they would somehow make it more responsive but it just hasn't happened yet. I could pull off split second interrupts and CCs in WoW. In WAR I can't even tell where I'm taking damage from half the time.

I really really wanted to like this game and I still think it has potential, but when I log in these days (which is becoming increasingly rare) I can't think of a single thing I want to do. I didn't buy this game to grind scenarios until my eyes bleed, but unfortunately, that's what it's turned in to.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

They removed the gear focus and gold sinks but they didn't replace them with anything.

Rewards from PQs and RvR suck. The crafting system sucks. The talent trees are lackluster and dont really influence play style. The trophies are unimpressive. The mounts suck, and aren't interchangable. There's just nothing to look forward to.

The thing that kept me playing WoW feverishly was that there was always some badass reward just around the corner. Lvls 1-21 of WAR feel like that. You're getting new skills every level and the gear upgrades are still somewhat meaningful, but then you get to tier 3 and there's nothing new to look forward to. From lvl 22-31 I'll get maybe 1-2 useful skills, and some more craptastic vendor bought gear that doesn't even look different from the stuff its replacing. Give me a break! It's like they put all this really fun stuff in the game (PQs, RvR) but gave us no reason to do it. Where's the character progression!?! If I want to have fun without rewards I'll play an FPS. I play MMOs to get uber.

Also, the game client still sucks compared to WoW. I was hoping they would somehow make it more responsive but it just hasn't happened yet. I could pull off split second interrupts and CCs in WoW. In WAR I can't even tell where I'm taking damage from half the time.

I really really wanted to like this game and I still think it has potential, but when I log in these days (which is becoming increasingly rare) I can't think of a single thing I want to do. I didn't buy this game to grind scenarios until my eyes bleed, but unfortunately, that's what it's turned in to.

Good post that sums it up for us as well..

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

They removed the gear focus and gold sinks but they didn't replace them with anything.

Rewards from PQs and RvR suck. The crafting system sucks. The talent trees are lackluster and dont really influence play style. The trophies are unimpressive. The mounts suck, and aren't interchangable. There's just nothing to look forward to.

The thing that kept me playing WoW feverishly was that there was always some badass reward just around the corner. Lvls 1-21 of WAR feel like that. You're getting new skills every level and the gear upgrades are still somewhat meaningful, but then you get to tier 3 and there's nothing new to look forward to. From lvl 22-31 I'll get maybe 1-2 useful skills, and some more craptastic vendor bought gear that doesn't even look different from the stuff its replacing. Give me a break! It's like they put all this really fun stuff in the game (PQs, RvR) but gave us no reason to do it. Where's the character progression!?! If I want to have fun without rewards I'll play an FPS. I play MMOs to get uber.

Also, the game client still sucks compared to WoW. I was hoping they would somehow make it more responsive but it just hasn't happened yet. I could pull off split second interrupts and CCs in WoW. In WAR I can't even tell where I'm taking damage from half the time.

I really really wanted to like this game and I still think it has potential, but when I log in these days (which is becoming increasingly rare) I can't think of a single thing I want to do. I didn't buy this game to grind scenarios until my eyes bleed, but unfortunately, that's what it's turned in to.

Excellent post. Everything you touch on here was what I feared and why I didn't buy the game in the first place.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: hungfarover

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Malladine
slow actions? i find myself clicking faster with my shaman than i ever have with the warrior in WoW....but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly.

Think you might give it another shot down the line?

As a side note i think a lot of the issues ppl have with WAR is too much comparing with WoW, and nostalgia setting in. I remember what WoW was for me...grinding and gear centric pvp. Grinding isn't something i want to get back into right now, but WAR for sure seems to have eliminated much of the gear focus that WoW suffers from.

They removed the gear focus and gold sinks but they didn't replace them with anything.

Rewards from PQs and RvR suck. The crafting system sucks. The talent trees are lackluster and dont really influence play style. The trophies are unimpressive. The mounts suck, and aren't interchangable. There's just nothing to look forward to.

The thing that kept me playing WoW feverishly was that there was always some badass reward just around the corner. Lvls 1-21 of WAR feel like that. You're getting new skills every level and the gear upgrades are still somewhat meaningful, but then you get to tier 3 and there's nothing new to look forward to. From lvl 22-31 I'll get maybe 1-2 useful skills, and some more craptastic vendor bought gear that doesn't even look different from the stuff its replacing. Give me a break! It's like they put all this really fun stuff in the game (PQs, RvR) but gave us no reason to do it. Where's the character progression!?! If I want to have fun without rewards I'll play an FPS. I play MMOs to get uber.

Also, the game client still sucks compared to WoW. I was hoping they would somehow make it more responsive but it just hasn't happened yet. I could pull off split second interrupts and CCs in WoW. In WAR I can't even tell where I'm taking damage from half the time.

I really really wanted to like this game and I still think it has potential, but when I log in these days (which is becoming increasingly rare) I can't think of a single thing I want to do. I didn't buy this game to grind scenarios until my eyes bleed, but unfortunately, that's what it's turned in to.

Excellent post. Everything you touch on here was what I feared and why I didn't buy the game in the first place.

I should probably mention that I have no interest in playing WoW anymore either. I think Mal's correct in the sense that what I really wanted in WAR was WoW with keep sieges and PvP based levelling.

Like I said, I still think it still has a lot of potential. If they fix the itemization and add more incentive to do RvR and PQs, that would go a long way in making the game more bearable through T3 and T4.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: ggnl
Give me a break! It's like they put all this really fun stuff in the game (PQs, RvR) but gave us no reason to do it. Where's the character progression!?! If I want to have fun without rewards I'll play an FPS. I play MMOs to get uber.

Fun stuff and no reason to do it? Man, i remember when a game being fun was reason enough. The "WoW" effect in action! Why should i do this if my only reward is fun ?!
That's really why i'm playing WAR still, the combat is exciting!! I started thinking: maybe if i went back to WoW with this attitude i'd find that it's just as much fun, but I have 80 days played, at least, and if that didn't convince me i'm not sure an attitude change is enough

Also, the game client still sucks compared to WoW. I was hoping they would somehow make it more responsive but it just hasn't happened yet. I could pull off split second interrupts and CCs in WoW. In WAR I can't even tell where I'm taking damage from half the time.

Yeah, some issues here. The animations and effects are sometimes off or too subtle to use interrupts effectively. I will say that after upgrading from my Am2 2.7ghz/8800gts/3gb system to the rig below WAR plays silky smooth.