WAR - what is your impression?

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Mem


I wish people wouldn't keep comparing games to boring WoW.
WoW was not the first MMORPG ,it also borrowed some ideas from other games,while we on the note of comparison I'll say this WAR is fun while WoW was boring for the 6 months I tried it for ,its like night and day on the fun factor between the two.

The more you play WAR and do as much as possible you realize its fun and a lot of things to do.

I have two clases Shadow Warrior level 13 (just got to figure how to shoot and run in circles then enemies are very dead meat) and Rune Priest level 2.

I'm going to make an Ironbreaker next as well .

The maybe Mythic should've developed an MMO that isn't fantasy based.

As long as developers keep pumping out fantasy based MMO's - people will allways compare it to WoW.

 

[Narse]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Anubis: I don't really understand how you can deny the time = better argument, it is literally impossible in WoW for a lvl 1 character to kill a max level, hell it's impossible for 100 level 1 characters to kill 1 max level, the game prevents them from EVER hitting the person. This would never happen in a skill based game, it goes against the very nature of it.

You can't tell me your gripe is about not being able to kill a max lvl char at lvl 1.....

And Anibus is right, bad players are bad no matter of thier gear in WoW, I know I have played with a few.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Anubis: I don't really understand how you can deny the time = better argument, it is literally impossible in WoW for a lvl 1 character to kill a max level, hell it's impossible for 100 level 1 characters to kill 1 max level, the game prevents them from EVER hitting the person. This would never happen in a skill based game, it goes against the very nature of it.

You can't tell me your gripe is about not being able to kill a max lvl char at lvl 1.....

And Anibus is right, bad players are bad no matter of thier gear in WoW, I know I have played with a few.

its not just wow, bad players are bad at all games, time played is not a factor

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Anubis: I don't really understand how you can deny the time = better argument, it is literally impossible in WoW for a lvl 1 character to kill a max level, hell it's impossible for 100 level 1 characters to kill 1 max level, the game prevents them from EVER hitting the person. This would never happen in a skill based game, it goes against the very nature of it.

You can't tell me your gripe is about not being able to kill a max lvl char at lvl 1.....

And Anibus is right, bad players are bad no matter of thier gear in WoW, I know I have played with a few.

LOL. Why? Because he didn't know where to stand in the dungeon when casting the spell during the 35th minute of the epic encounter? Guess what, tell him, somebody told you at some point, he knows it and is now elite simply for being able to perform what amounts to a menial task. As far as the skill and thinking, there is still none. It's performing routines over and over.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Anubis: I don't really understand how you can deny the time = better argument, it is literally impossible in WoW for a lvl 1 character to kill a max level, hell it's impossible for 100 level 1 characters to kill 1 max level, the game prevents them from EVER hitting the person. This would never happen in a skill based game, it goes against the very nature of it.

You can't tell me your gripe is about not being able to kill a max lvl char at lvl 1.....

And Anibus is right, bad players are bad no matter of thier gear in WoW, I know I have played with a few.

LOL. Why? Because he didn't know where to stand in the dungeon when casting the spell during the 35th minute of the epic encounter? Guess what, tell him, somebody told you at some point, he knows it and is now elite simply for being able to perform what amounts to a menial task. As far as the skill and thinking, there is still none. It's performing routines over and over.

You MMORPG haters are incredibly annoying, start your own thread about how awesome you are at COD4 and leave us alone please.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: Anubis
im not trolling about wow im defending the MMO genre, the redeeming value of any game is weather its fun or not, millions of people think MMOs are fun so they play them. game = success

its not like FPS's have any other redeeming value other then being fun

Actually that's not true, games have historically been used as a means to hone an ability, that's where skill comes into play. This is why we get upset when a game isn't balanced, because our skills are being negated.

An MMO requires no skill and be can played at 'the highest level' while catatonic.

The purpose of a game is to have fun, but equal in importance is how it does this. The good games will do this by building a skill and just like everything else in life, you get better at something it feels good. MMO's on the other hand don't allow this, instead to make everyone feel good, they make the only requirement to 'get better' a factor of time.

read the article in my sig. not the same point, but a good one nonetheless.

Just a PS since I'm sure people will take the above as me saying that's the only way a game can be fun, that's not what im saying, it's an example. I've enjoyed single player games with great stories like everyone else, the purpose of those games is obviously different although I would still argue they give you something for the experience.

MMO's are utterly devoid of story, not because they lack the base, because the player takes no part in it.

You're totally wrong, I don't know how you can figure that you can play a MMORPG while 'catatonic' but i guarantee that if you don't try in pvp you will be utterly destroyed by someone who knows how to play their class well. The things affected the most by time are probably level and gear, and then of course SKILL. There are some people who absolutely suck no matter how good their gear is, its not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

[ElFenix]

is there anywhere that lists current server populations? i like to play on populated servers.

 

[Maleficus]

So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

Yes, and that is still vastly more complicated than "Left Click" "BOOM, HEADSHOT!!?!?!?!".

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

No more than the dominant strategy in a FPS is get the fastest gun and hold down the "shoot" button.

There's more to strategy in ALL games than simply how you attack.

And, while we're at it, which skills, exactly, do non-MMORPG video games enhance that MMORPG video games do not? Reflex? Timing? Critical thinking? Hand-eye coordination?

No. Games are for having fun. I'd wager that a large group of people like having fun with a lot of people. People who like to play RPGs and people who like to play games with other people...perfect breeding for an MMORPG. If people didn't enjoy playing them, they would not still be around and more prevelant than ever.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: JD50
You MMORPG haters are incredibly annoying, start your own thread about how awesome you are at COD4 and leave us alone please.

I'm an MMO lover. That's why I hate WoW.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

 

[videogames101]

My impression

WAR = WoW

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

haha, no matter how many skills your spamming, it still doesn't take skill, try getting on cs:s sometime, we'll see how fast you are.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

Hrm, perhaps it was my ignorance in calling it the 1-2-3-4 strat when in actuality it is the 2-3-4-5 strat that has led you astray, or perhaps you are the ignorant one, because it is an actual 'strategy' employed by WoW players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb35c6ZCh2M

You may have to watch it a few times to grasp the complexity of their plan, but eventually you will see the genius of it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: videogames101
My impression

WAR = WoW

Stands to reason since WoW = DAOC.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

haha, no matter how many skills your spamming, it still doesn't take skill, try getting on cs:s sometime, we'll see how fast you are.

it's not about spamming skills. it's using the right skills at the right time.... thinking / reacting quickly / countering whatever your opponent is trying to do. there's 10x more to do combat wise in a mmo vs a fps. the only difference is a mmo doesn't require you to aim with how quickly you move your mouse.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

Hrm, perhaps it was my ignorance in calling it the 1-2-3-4 strat when in actuality it is the 2-3-4-5 strat that has led you astray, or perhaps you are the ignorant one, because it is an actual 'strategy' employed by WoW players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb35c6ZCh2M

You may have to watch it a few times to grasp the complexity of their plan, but eventually you will see the genius of it.

wow pvp is a pretty piss poor example of skillful pvp. wow pvp is so dumbed down even a 5 year old could play it. high end arenas require quick reaction time. that's about it. the number of skills to use are quite limited however.

by contrast, try daoc or warhammer pvp, and you'll see just how many skills / spells it takes to survive in a pvp setting. reactionaries, positionals in daoc for example. on my 17 runepriest in warhammer i have at least 14 different spells i use in a given pvp fight: damage + healing. that number will double / triple once you reach endgame.

nothing simple about that.



edit: this compared to fps's point , click and shoot with a fast mouse / wrist :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: Maleficus
So, VashHT, is the dominant strategy still 1-2-3-4?

LoL Mal, you sound like you would get your ass handed to you in a MMORPG. First off, players who just spam skills over and over are NOT good players. A lot of skills need to be used in a certain context, good players will realize this and use the right skills at the right time. Bad players sit there and rap on the same skills hoping it will magically work even if it isn't. Apparently this is what you think is a good strategy. There are NOT 3 or 4 skills you spam over and over, you will get destroyed. Seriously you're arguing with absolutely no clue what it takes to play pvp, you're just making baseless assumptions and taking them as fact.

haha, no matter how many skills your spamming, it still doesn't take skill, try getting on cs:s sometime, we'll see how fast you are.

Wow, your e-peen must be something like this

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[Acanthus]

So far i really enjoy War over WoW. I was a huge fan of DAOC back in the day before the Trials of Atlantis expansion.

Im very happy with the enormous amount of pvp content (i play on a core server) and I thoroughly enjoy being able to level up completely on pvp alone if i so choose.

Public Quests and Open Grouping are both great features that add a lot to the MMO genre for me.

 

[Baked]

I've only been hanging around the starting area and pvping, but I noticed nobody talks in war! I miss barren chat. Maybe it's different in capital cities?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Mem


I wish people wouldn't keep comparing games to boring WoW.
WoW was not the first MMORPG ,it also borrowed some ideas from other games,while we on the note of comparison I'll say this WAR is fun while WoW was boring for the 6 months I tried it for ,its like night and day on the fun factor between the two.

The more you play WAR and do as much as possible you realize its fun and a lot of things to do.

I have two clases Shadow Warrior level 13 (just got to figure how to shoot and run in circles then enemies are very dead meat) and Rune Priest level 2.

I'm going to make an Ironbreaker next as well .

The maybe Mythic should've developed an MMO that isn't fantasy based.

As long as developers keep pumping out fantasy based MMO's - people will allways compare it to WoW.

You mean EQ1?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: videogames101
My impression

WAR = WoW

Stands to reason since WoW = DAOC.

IMHO more like WoW = EQ1

WAR = DAOC

 

[drebo]

Warhammer Online is far closer in gameplay and style to World of Warcraft than it is to DAoC. The only thing, really, that carried over is the concept of RvR.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
MMO's on the other hand don't allow this, instead to make everyone feel good, they make the only requirement to 'get better' a factor of time.

Are you still throwing this stupidity around? You're telling me that long-time PVPers are guaranteed to beat players who've played only a few months? No skill involved? Stop this crap you continue to spew. It's like long ago you decided this was going to be your mental M.O. and no matter what people say in any thread, you're not going to see it any other way.