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HumblePie

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Okay, these are the only bugs I've encountered in the game.

Alt + Tab black screen of death.

What happens here is that as you are casting, or attacking or doing some other action and accidentally hit alt + tab, maybe because the action you were trying to do was Alt + 2 for whatever spell or attack that is, and then you are trying to hit tab to switch to the next target but for whatever reason, you screw up and end up casting and still hitting alt + tab. Well you alt tab out when this happens. Problem is, when you try to alt tab back in, the game won't load any textures. This usually in no way affects your system and you should be able to alt tab back out to kill the game.

SOME people have said that if they sit there long enough, like 10 to 15 minutes, the game finally reloads the screen. Guess that can work if you have 25+ minute queues for your server like mine. If not, it's faster to kill the game and get back in.

The best method to avoiding this is to not run the game in full screen mode. If run in window mode, there game never unloads the 3d it's doing and thus the textures stay in memory. So you can alt tab out and back in and never get the black screen, even if you do suffer a tiny, tiny performance hit.

Screwed up or see through textures.

As noted above, this comes from forcing AA and adaptive AA through your drivers. The game has no form of AA or AF so the only way to do this is with drivers forcing it. This does work, and the game looks better, but you get see through textures, particularly around your avatars face and head.

As stated, if you want to use AA or AF, the only way to do this is by disabling specular lightning as noted above.

Messed up party window

Here's a strange one. In this game you can be in a party OR a warband. A party consists of 6 players, and you'll have a party window below the picture of your character in the upper left corner by default. In the party window you can see the portraits of those in your party, their health bars, and their buff/debuff icons. However, if you convert to a warband or join a warband, you lose the party window. Instead you get a warband window which is a collection of up to 4 parties ie 24 players max grouped together. To accomodate 24 player warbands, the screen only shows a name and health percentage and class icon for each member in the warband.

The bug happens when you are in a warband, thus disabling the party window and then join an RVR Scenario (ie battleground for WoW rejects). Scenarios ONLY allow the party window, not the warband, but technically, while in an RVR scenario, you are also still in your warband AND the scenario party.

So what happens when both windows try to cancel each other out? You get no windows. Infact, it's odd because the buff icons will occasionally display for a second and then disappear.

Luckily, there is a work around by clicking on the Scenario Party button off the mini map. This will allow you to display specific scenario parties in a completely different set of window panes.

Now, the next part of the bug is really annoying though. If you leave and join scenarios sometimes, when you are leaving you would normally get your warband window back, but twice now I've had it not come back. Then I can't get ANY party window to display until I log out and back in.

Target is not in range bug

Many mobs in this game have both a range and melee attack. This bug happens because your client decides to "jump the gun" and animate a mob before it actually does the action. so, if you are melee character and running UP TO a mob using a range attack, it will sometimes show the mob taking 2 steps to meet you in melee range. The problem is, the mob never took those 2 steps on the server. So you swing your weapon a mob that is on your screen right in your avatars face, but to the server is a few steps still in front of you using range attacks. Thus you are out of range to hit the mob with your melee attacks and get the message when you swing.

The work around is to always over compensate right now. The game tries to reduce the appearance of lag by anticipating actions client side and doing those before they are actually done. The problem is, sometimes it anticipates wrong and you get this bug. Always take an extra step once you "think" you are melee range towards your target and you'll avoid this bug most of the time.

Sync issue with using skills

Related to the bug above, the client is trying to anticipate when an action is available. You send a signal to use a skill. The server receives the signal a second later, BUT your client already starts the reuse count down for the skill. The client will flash the skill is ready when it's not, thus you end up having to press the button multiple times to issue the next command to the server.

The work around is to wait and extra half to full second AFTER the client shows a skill is ready for use.

Icons above NPC's disappearing

Unfortunately this is a mem leak problem. The game starts dropping or losing things like icons, textures and even sounds. Why these? I can't tell you specifically without looking at the source code, but it does. The only way to fix this is to log out of the game and back in unfortunately.

Luckily, this takes awhile to do if you have a decent amount of ram. if you have 2GB+ it's usually around 5+ hours of continuous gaming with lots of zoning. If you have less ram then you'll notice this much sooner.



There are a few other bugs, but these are more of the major ones that can be deal breakers on the game for some people.
 

KaOTiK

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Gear gets better from player drops when you get higher. It is the only way to get some pieces of your first rvr set. We had a purple shaman chest piece drop last night and a few other blues. T3 scenarios are starting to pop up now on my server and Order is finally starting to siege keeps in T3.

Had a nice keep defense going on for a little while not long ago before we pushed order out and the servers had to come down for an emergency patch.

I'm a Rank 27 Sorceress and had 9 other Dest defending the keep from roughly 25-30 Order.
I was destroying them with my aoe with 2 healers just spam healing me. For some reason they wanted to rush through the keep lords room and go to the very top lvl. Well when the bulk of the army was in the room I rooted them in place, the keep lord, his bodyguards, and our almost 2 groups wiped out all but like 2 of them.

Fight went outside near an objective point that another Dest group recaptured from Order when they were in the keep. Had a nice open RvR battle going on for like 40 mins then servers had to come down due to some bug where people would respawn where they die sometimes
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

The good thing is the majority of people have played MMOs before so this is not really news. What is news is that the bugs everyone reports are so minor that if anything this can be chalked up as possibly the best launch... ever?

**EDIT**
Of course, after writing the above, I try to log in only to find the servers are down for even more maintenance. Argh no play time tonight!

 

Mem

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

The good thing is the majority of people have played MMOs before so this is not really news. What is news is that the bugs everyone reports are so minor that if anything this can be chalked up as possibly the best launch... ever?

**EDIT**
Of course, after writing the above, I try to log in only to find the servers are down for even more maintenance. Argh no play time tonight!

Some good news for European side of things.

Tomorrow morning (the 23rd September) we will bring the servers down for a short maintenance. The servers will come down at 10:00 CET and we expect that we will be able to reopen them by early afternoon. We will of course keep you informed of the progress of this work.

The purpose of this maintenance is to apply some background fixes and localisation updates. Please check back here soon for more information about this process.


Server Cloning -

This Wednesday we are going to clone some of our busiest servers to help spread the load around and to reduce queuing times. Please note however that this is not a solution for a server where only one side has queues; it will only be used when the entire server is too full to avoid issues with the population balance. The servers that we will be cloning are as follows:

Karak Eight Peaks will be cloned to Tor Anroc
Karak Azgal will be cloned to Zhufbar
Karak Hirn will be cloned to Yvresse
Eltharion will be cloned to Tiranoc


Here is a quick explanation of how this process works:
When we clone a server, we copy all the information of that server ? all character data, guild data, zone information etc and copy it to a new server. This means that if you had a character on the original server, you will have the exact same character on the new server as well - he will have the same name, the same gear, the same items in his backpack and the same guild information. You can then choose, along with your friends whether you want to carry on playing on your original server or if you'd prefer to move across and play the version on the new server instead. Whichever you decide, the other copy of your character will remain so that if you change your mind later, it will be easy to move across.

Here is a quick example to illustrate the process. Let's say you have a level 25 Witch Hunter called Jorgen. He's in a guild called Malleus Maleficarum and he's Renown Rank 20. After the cloning process, there will be two identical copies of Jorgen, one will be on the original server that you chose when starting the game while the other will be on the new server. If you choose to play on the new server then you simply carry on where you left off with your level 25 Witch Hunter, if your friends join you then your entire guild remains intact and you can all carry on fighting together ? the only difference is that this time there are no queues to log in! If you carry on adventuring with Jorgen on the new server then the 'original' Jorgen will still be on the first server at level 25, renown rank 20 etc the two versions do not both advance at the same time.

This system makes it easy to move servers but it is very important that you and your friends all discuss which of the two servers you will play on, this way your guild or alliance won't get split up and you can carry on playing together.
 

Storm

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Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
Originally posted by: sushicide
Is the UI moddable like WoW? The built in customization option is not enough for me.

Yes, people can make mods with lua and xml. Even to replace most everything in the default UI rather than just add on to it.



Impression: Tons of fun, we all pulled through to make it awesome =). Though rolling Order is nice for the near instant Scenario queues.

Any good websites around for those mods you've encountered?
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

Originally posted by: tsolin01
Originally posted by: Canai
Holy shit. What a terrible piece of crap game. alt-tab = black screen of doom, character's faces are transparent unless I turn anisotropic filtering off entirely, which makes the whole game look like a glitchy mess, 10 minute waits to get into the server all my friends are playing on, shitty character models, nothing but mash the buttons till things die gameplay, glitchy objects everywhere stopping me dead in my tracks till I can spam jump enough to get out, invisible walls forcing you down a narrow set path, the list just goes on and on.

I'm really surprised - I've heard nothing but "OMFG THE BEST EVER!" about this game so far from just about everyone. It's worse than AoC was at launch. By far.

alt-tab doesn't black screen for me, it just takes a few seconds to come back up. If uncheck fullscreen you won't get that and it runs just fine. Transparent heads is a known issue with ATI drivers, you need to turn off Adaptive AA not anisotropic filtering. There's also an issue with AA/AF not working if you have specular lighting enabled. I have mine turned off and it works great, I get 50-90 FPS usually. There are so many servers out there without any queues to them, blame your friends for picking an overpopulated server.

Although it would have been nice for the game to be perfect out of the box, with a little tweaking here and there it's all good. I found that Tier 1 isn't the best indicator of good PvP as people are still learning how to play. Tier 2 has been good so far with Order and Destro being pretty even on my server, sometimes we destroy Order and sometimes Order rapes us... overall I can't stop playing...

Well, it went from turning off AF fixing it to turning off Adaptive AA fixing it, and now I have to turn Adaptive AA on for the faces to be solid. AND I now average <30 fps. Haven't fraps'd it yet, so I don't know actual numbers, but WAR is now officially the slowest running / worst coded game I have.

Troubleshooting problems is the worst bit of this game. Not only do you have to wait 20 seconds to log off (or none of your in-game settings save), you also have to wait through five incredibly loud intro movies to get back into the game. Add in random crashes, system hangs, texture corruptions, random alt-tabing (due to Avira, AIM, other pop-up things) and it just keeps getting worse. I'm spending more time watching the intro movies than playing the game.

Also, I have had no problems at all with any other game, so it's not my computer. It may very well be the game has a problem with my hardware config, but isn't that what the beta is for?!?
 

drebo

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

I've never had that problem. I'd chalk it up to drivers.

Also, would you rather them forbid you from ALT+TABing, a la FFXI?
 

ArmchairAthlete

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Originally posted by: Storm
Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
Originally posted by: sushicide
Is the UI moddable like WoW? The built in customization option is not enough for me.

Yes, people can make mods with lua and xml. Even to replace most everything in the default UI rather than just add on to it.



Impression: Tons of fun, we all pulled through to make it awesome =). Though rolling Order is nice for the near instant Scenario queues.

Any good websites around for those mods you've encountered?

Here's one site:

http://war.curse.com/downloads/addons/

Though modding is only just beginning.
 
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Originally posted by: KaOTiK
I'm a Rank 27 Sorceress and had 9 other Dest defending the keep from roughly 25-30 Order.
I was destroying them with my aoe with 2 healers just spam healing me. For some reason they wanted to rush through the keep lords room and go to the very top lvl. Well when the bulk of the army was in the room I rooted them in place, the keep lord, his bodyguards, and our almost 2 groups wiped out all but like 2 of them.

Sounds like a Mythic game alright. Nothing more fun than being rooted/mezzed/stunned and standing around waiting to die. Wait till everybody knows about this and it's basically a match of who gets the PBAOE off first. Oh what fun.
 

KaOTiK

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: KaOTiK
I'm a Rank 27 Sorceress and had 9 other Dest defending the keep from roughly 25-30 Order.
I was destroying them with my aoe with 2 healers just spam healing me. For some reason they wanted to rush through the keep lords room and go to the very top lvl. Well when the bulk of the army was in the room I rooted them in place, the keep lord, his bodyguards, and our almost 2 groups wiped out all but like 2 of them.

Sounds like a Mythic game alright. Nothing more fun than being rooted/mezzed/stunned and standing around waiting to die. Wait till everybody knows about this and it's basically a match of who gets the PBAOE off first. Oh what fun.

Only a few classes on each side have it, on top of that all the classes that do have it are either in robes or light armor so we can't take any hits. The root also has 50% chance to break when you take any damage. It isn't that bad and is used more often then not as an escape spell or to keep someone from running away from you.

In world rvr people don't stand in big groups and getting over to them will mean death if you want to actually root them in place.

Only reason it works so well in how I did it is because the Order sieging had to run up stairs and enter the room with the keeplord where we all were, and then went to run up another flight of stairs instead of taking a straight 90degree turn to the outside of the room where you can run around the entire outer wall of the keep itself.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

I've never had that problem. I'd chalk it up to drivers.

Also, would you rather them forbid you from ALT+TABing, a la FFXI?

This guy must not of been around the MMO scene for very long. Most MMOs didnt allow alt-tabbing.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: KaOTiK
I'm a Rank 27 Sorceress and had 9 other Dest defending the keep from roughly 25-30 Order.
I was destroying them with my aoe with 2 healers just spam healing me. For some reason they wanted to rush through the keep lords room and go to the very top lvl. Well when the bulk of the army was in the room I rooted them in place, the keep lord, his bodyguards, and our almost 2 groups wiped out all but like 2 of them.

Sounds like a Mythic game alright. Nothing more fun than being rooted/mezzed/stunned and standing around waiting to die. Wait till everybody knows about this and it's basically a match of who gets the PBAOE off first. Oh what fun.

Root in WAR is nothing like Root in DAoC.
 

Newbian

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

I've never had that problem. I'd chalk it up to drivers.

Also, would you rather them forbid you from ALT+TABing, a la FFXI?

This guy must not of been around the MMO scene for very long. Most MMOs didnt allow alt-tabbing.

The keyword is "didn't".

This time of age most do for obvious reasons and trying to force recent ones from doing this will not be a welcome issue.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

I've never had that problem. I'd chalk it up to drivers.

Also, would you rather them forbid you from ALT+TABing, a la FFXI?

This guy must not of been around the MMO scene for very long. Most MMOs didnt allow alt-tabbing.

I done 6 mmos over about the same number of years, I've never had a problem using alt-tab and it would be idiotic to expect it not to work.
 

tsolin01

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Well, it went from turning off AF fixing it to turning off Adaptive AA fixing it, and now I have to turn Adaptive AA on for the faces to be solid. AND I now average <30 fps. Haven't fraps'd it yet, so I don't know actual numbers, but WAR is now officially the slowest running / worst coded game I have.

Troubleshooting problems is the worst bit of this game. Not only do you have to wait 20 seconds to log off (or none of your in-game settings save), you also have to wait through five incredibly loud intro movies to get back into the game. Add in random crashes, system hangs, texture corruptions, random alt-tabing (due to Avira, AIM, other pop-up things) and it just keeps getting worse. I'm spending more time watching the intro movies than playing the game.

Also, I have had no problems at all with any other game, so it's not my computer. It may very well be the game has a problem with my hardware config, but isn't that what the beta is for?!?

Just uncheck the fullscreen option and you should be able to alt-tab no problem, dunno what the big deal is lol. Yea I have no idea what's wrong with your video if you had to do all that. All I did was turn off Adaptive AA and it fixed it. Are you running the latest drivers? I'm on 8.9 with no issues.

If the setup in your sig is current, I have a very similar setup except with Vista so you shouldn't be running into problems. I've never had a random crash, system hang, or texture corruption issue at all since even preview weekend and open beta.

One thing I just noticed last night is that if you customize the UI and resize the ability bar it makes the game stutter and lag so much. After I set it to default then it worked fine. It seems they have a new patch coming out today to try to fix some of these issues.

It could also be an issue with EAX if you have that enabled. Try disabling your sound card and using the onboard sound from your motherboard to see if that does anything.




 

BenSkywalker

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Add in random crashes, system hangs, texture corruptions, random alt-tabing (due to Avira, AIM, other pop-up things) and it just keeps getting worse. I'm spending more time watching the intro movies than playing the game.

Not sure what you are running for hardware, but that sounds like textbook ATi driver bugs on a new game. Only glitch I have run into is once in a while one of the stone looking snare spells that npcs use will remain on people, other then that no problems at all. Alt tab all the time, no problems whatsoever, no texture corruption, no crashes, no hangs.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Add in random crashes, system hangs, texture corruptions, random alt-tabing (due to Avira, AIM, other pop-up things) and it just keeps getting worse. I'm spending more time watching the intro movies than playing the game.

Not sure what you are running for hardware, but that sounds like textbook ATi driver bugs on a new game. Only glitch I have run into is once in a while one of the stone looking snare spells that npcs use will remain on people, other then that no problems at all. Alt tab all the time, no problems whatsoever, no texture corruption, no crashes, no hangs.

I'm using Gigabyte 4870 card and find the game very stable, only time I got booted out is when the server I'm on crashed due to technical problems(only twice so far).

I'm enjoying the game and find it quite mature for a new launch,every MMORPG has some issues but this game has been very smooth for me.


Btw this is on Vista x64 .


 

Genx87

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I havent had a single bug issue with this game yet. This is by far the smoothest game launch I have seen.

I am enjoying myself a lot. One thing I like is how they progress you through the tiers. And the atmosphere really feels like you are in a war.

 

JD50

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Same here, absolutely no problems so far. Of course now that I said this I'll probably blue screen tonight when I try and play.
 

Magusigne

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I've ran into problems playing the game...not game breaking to me.

Canai - Stop tripping out..you obviously have not played AoC as far as coding goes. I'll admit the alt-tab issue should have been fixed but it could be a weird compatibility issue with vista 64 (at least for me).

So far the bugs I've seen are:

PBAoE on my Sorc makes it appear like the mobs are still right next to me even though I am running away and can cast ranged spells at them.

Alt-Tabbing in certain circumstances causing a Black screen in which the game has locked up but can be terminated through task manager

Occasionally my sorc or orc will graphically appear to be in a combat stance while running actually looks kinda cool IMO

Bullets from NPC dwarves travelling at bullet time even though their damage was already dealt.

Spell graphic of my doombolt is not sinked to my casting time bar although this happens on and off and I suspect its a latency issue.

Overall the game up to rank 20 exceeds my expectations.
 

Phew

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Originally posted by: VashHT
in WAR you can't just spam one or 2 skills and hope to do good

I dunno, so far I've topped damage in about 10 scenarios in a row with my sorcerer, just spamming Chillwind (the DoT) on every target in sight. Maybe hit the AOE root if a melee is smacking me. Come to think of it, the same strategy seems to net the top contribution bonus in PQs.

Regardless, WAR is so much more fun than WoW was at this point. At lvl 11 in WoW, I was probably killing my 100th hyena in the Barrens or something, in WAR, I have already done scenarios, public quests, and engaged in epic RvR battles for outposts.




 

Tremulant

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Originally posted by: Phew
Originally posted by: VashHT
in WAR you can't just spam one or 2 skills and hope to do good

I dunno, so far I've topped damage in about 10 scenarios in a row with my sorcerer, just spamming Chillwind (the DoT) on every target in sight. Maybe hit the AOE root if a melee is smacking me. Come to think of it, the same strategy seems to net the top contribution bonus in PQs.

Regardless, WAR is so much more fun than WoW was at this point. At lvl 11 in WoW, I was probably killing my 100th hyena in the Barrens or something, in WAR, I have already done scenarios, public quests, and engaged in epic RvR battles for outposts.

I reached rank 21 or 22 in the closed beta and one thing that I really liked was that you were always progressing. I didn't feel 'stuck' in any zone and I moved through the chapters fairly quickly. It really helped to keep the game from feeling boring.
 

drebo

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: Dominato3r
Alot of people think that every MMO launch is bug free. Well its not >.>

This game has been in beta for a LONG time. Beta tests are supposed to find bugs. Not being able to alt-tab an MMO is a pretty big bug.

I've never had that problem. I'd chalk it up to drivers.

Also, would you rather them forbid you from ALT+TABing, a la FFXI?

This guy must not of been around the MMO scene for very long. Most MMOs didnt allow alt-tabbing.

Er, what?

UO played in windowed mode. EQ disallowed it originally, but later changed that. Since then, every MMO I've ever played has allowed it, with the exception of FFXI.
 

EvilManagedCare

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I was utterly disinterested in this game before reading this thread, but now my interst has been piqued. I moved to AoC after having played WoW since launch, While the setting in AoC is great, the game is a hot mess. And it would appear fixing things that would help my experience there will not be happening for quite some time (shitty engine performance using 3.0 shaders with ample hardware, broken means making it difficult to form groups, plus a myriad of other problems).

So I went back to LoTRO, and while it's fun, I'm not sure it is going to keep me for the long term.

I understand PvP is the largest part of this game, but are there instanced small group dungeons available? The setting for WAR is so dark and some of the lore is Lovecraftian, I was hoping to experience that in the dungeons.

Also, what is Public Questing? I couldn't find a description on the WAR website.

TIA
 
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