Warcraft III: Defense of the Ancients & Tower Defense, anyone play? Any tips?

[Kabob]

I migrated to Xbox 360 gaming and haven't really done the PC gaming thing. I built my computer in '04 so I don't have the power to play most of the newer games but the other day my wife had some friends over and they were watching a chick flick and I had the crazy idea to re-install Warcraft III and TFT. Wow, big mistake, I've already played through the entire WCIII campaign and I'm over half through the TFT campaign.

I remembered a game I played back in my hay day, Defense of the Ancients (formerly AoS, sorry I got mixed up for a minute), and went online and found "the official DotA" site and such and downloaded it. It's changed...alot. There's so many more characters (when I played it I think you had 8 to choose from). Anyone have any tips? What's a solid yet easy to use character?

Also, I used to love Tower Defense games (my love was just renewed with the bonus level in the campaign, totally forgot about TD). What are some good TD maps?

Anyone play either game type on USEast?

 

[titan131]

Legion TD is really fun

 

[ussfletcher]

Legion TD is really fun

Perhaps fun, but takes no skill. Better TD's would include Blizzard's Skibi remake, and Flux Defense (though you will probably never see that map played)

Also, the term AoS is pretty much generically referred to as DotA now, because old Aeon of Strife maps were replaced with Defense of the Ancients, like 3 or 4 years ago. The game is super challenging and entirely too competitive though.

 

[Kabob]

Oops, I meant DotA, not AoS. I knew it'd been replaced, just slipped the mind.

Also, where's a good place to download some of these maps? I got the DotA map, but I dunno where to get the TD's and alot of time I join a game where I don't have the map I get axed.

 

[CurseTheSky]

I loved DotA when I played a couple of years ago, but I can't get back into it. Everything is super competitive now, and there are FAR too many rules. Don't get me wrong, it sucked when you had a good game going, and the other team starts losing so they leave. But being put on a ban list simply because your connection dropped in the middle of a match, or your five year old got hurt and you had to step away? Give me a break. And on top of that, it's "illegal" to kill a tower without creeps assisting (backdooring) even when you're losing horribly late game and you desperately need the extra cash? Pfft.

 

[Juddog]

Regarding DOTA, my advice is to join the forums here:
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php

You will find boundless information on playing the particulars of any hero and there are strategies on top of strategies to be found there.

 

[Udgnim]

first thing you need to learn in DotA is how to trash talk and deal with kiddies

 

[Firsttime]

I loved DotA when I played a couple of years ago, but I can't get back into it. Everything is super competitive now, and there are FAR too many rules. Don't get me wrong, it sucked when you had a good game going, and the other team starts losing so they leave. But being put on a ban list simply because your connection dropped in the middle of a match, or your five year old got hurt and you had to step away? Give me a break. And on top of that, it's "illegal" to kill a tower without creeps assisting (backdooring) even when you're losing horribly late game and you desperately need the extra cash? Pfft.

Banlists mean nothing on Bnet. Backdooring is against the community etiquette for good reason, but again, on Bnet there are no "rules." If you're playing TDA or something it's obviously different.

 

[ussfletcher]

You can try to google search Wc3 map sites, I think there are a few still around, they have thousands of td's to wade through (most of them are crap)

Some that stand-out to me though: Skibi TD, Flux TD, Power Towers, Cube Defense, Element TD, (Burbenog TD?? I can't remember if this is the name, though I think it is), Airstrike TD.

Legion TD like mentioned before is popular, and probably a decent place to start.. its really not that hard, but the towers aren't very well balanced. It works slightly differently than your average TD though, because your 'towers' turn into units at the start of the round, so melee goes in front etc.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I kind of liked the idea behind DotA, but I could never get into it, except in LANs with friends. People on the net tend to take it way too seriously, and as with WoW it seems the major demographic are ten-year-olds with no life.

 

[Kabob]

first thing you need to learn in DotA is how to trash talk and deal with kiddies

I've played Halo 3 and MW2 on XBLA, hopefully that will prepare me.

 

[ussfletcher]

I've played Halo 3 and MW2 on XBLA, hopefully that will prepare me.

I'd say that would be entirely dependent on if you played competitively and used the mic.

Really, they are very serious about it, not many games where they are so hateful of noobs.

 

[Kabob]

Hrm, that deters me greatly...I just wanna join in for fun, I'm not looking to go to the DotA olympics or anything...

 

[Fenixgoon]

you can try League of Legends for free. It's made by the people who did DotA

 

[Kabob]

you can try League of Legends for free. It's made by the people who did DotA

I might do that.

BTW, is that Nighthawk in your avatar?

 

[Juddog]

Hrm, that deters me greatly...I just wanna join in for fun, I'm not looking to go to the DotA olympics or anything...

Just go into a pub and start off with pubstomp characters. Most people you run against will die even if you play like a noob. Candidates: Riki, etc.

 

[Kabob]

Just go into a pub and start off with pubstomp characters. Most people you run against will die even if you play like a noob. Candidates: Riki, etc.

Pubstomp? Explain plz.

 

[essasin]

On a competitive level dota is heavily dependent on teamwork and hero selection and you take each heroes attribute and build a team catered to your strategy.

I usually play once or twice and week and join a pub. I'll either pick a carry hero with high dmg to gank heros and not really rely on any teamwork or an all support hero for lots of action. In general, I think it has a lot to do with leveling up, being efficient with gold/denying, and anticipation (knowing where the opponents are). If you can get the last hits on the creeps on either side (for gold and xp advantage) and keep from getting ganked you are basically golden. Unfortunately in a pub game there is always a feeder who buffs an opponent hero and is impossible to beat in a pub game.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I might do that.

BTW, is that Nighthawk in your avatar?

1982 Suzuki GS650G. Given to me by another forum member here

 

[Kabob]

1982 Suzuki GS650G. Given to me by another forum member here

My '06 Suzuki SV650S was stolen from me a few years ago (two months after I bought it). I recovered it but sold it off as I don't have a good place to store it. MAN I miss riding...

 

[xCxStylex]

Most dota players no longer player dota and play Heroes of Newerth (a dota remake with some new heros) or League of Legends, a free to play game of similar game play but completely different heros, items, and a little different game play. HoN is currently still in closed beta, but keys are abundant. HoN plays almost exactly like dota does. Both have in-game mechanics to greatly hinder leavers.

Also, if you're looking for competition, try www.throneit.com. while I haven't played their game for over half a year, their Tier2 was pretty a decntly competitive "pub" ladder with full, detailed stats tracking and "in house rules" with violations and bans issued as well. Tier 1 was about the same as pugging Bnet dota with leavers, but tier 2 was ok.

 

[Jakeisbest]

I think the only thing harder than trying to pick up Dota at this point would be trying to pick up EVE online.

The Dota community offline is very helpful. Once you join a game, just start squelching if people start yelling, it will seriously take 10 to 20 games to really get the hang of it.

If you want to try HoN i still have some keys, PM me

 

[TheVrolok]

first thing you need to learn in DotA is how to trash talk and deal with kiddies

Signed. The DotA community has some of the most violent and angry trash talkers I've ever seen. But it's almost like a minigame just to get them going.