Warcraft the Movie

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lupi

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If i recall correctly from a recently interview, Duncan mentioned that an extended edition BR release was a possibility.
 
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Aikouka

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You're giving the critics too much credit. One of the last reviews I read discussed that they didn't like how wasted effort was spent on things like decorating the orc tusk with jewlery, i.e. another simpleton reviewer like desura just looking for more LOTR style evil horde vice how they actually exist in this universe.

I probably should've been a bit more clear. When I was referencing critics, I really meant the ones whose reviews I read/watched prior to seeing the movie. I mean... I also encountered some dumb reviews with silly comments. It definitely seemed like some people really wanted this to be more like Lord of the Rings. I was watching the Schmoes Knows guys, and one complained that Ben Foster "looked too young" to play a powerful sorcerer. Essentially, they wanted an other Gandalf, which is just silly.

The review that I probably agree with the most would be Jeremy Jahn's review. He was also heavily critical on the first bit.

I thought I was watching a film made by students at first, it seemed to forced, acting wise. I got into it though, I think they would have been better off with an extra hour or so.

I definitely think it would be better if it had more time. That may have allowed them to really flesh out characters and also allow us to really get a sense of the area. There was one point in the movie where I was actually confused about the geography, and that's coming from someone with over a year played in World of WarCraft! It was
during the scene in Goldshire where they mention a large fire to the south-east. I'm pretty sure they were talking about an attack on Westfall, but south-east of Goldshire is Duskwood/Darkshire. Darkshire actually makes more sense as that's by the entrance to Deadwind Pass, which leads to Swamp of Sorrows, which leads to Black Morass (Blasted Lands in WoW). They definitely mention that the gate is in "the morass", which is where it should be.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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Just got back. Not gonna lie, for all the flaws I think I enjoyed it.

This guy had fucking JUDGMENT robes!! Too cool.

 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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Just got back from the movie.

As someone who has been playing Warcraft since the DOS orcs and humans days, I enjoyed it a lot. Now it wasn't perfect but it was a lot of fun to watch. My favorite character was prolly Guldan, I think they portrayed him spot on as I would imagine. Now I wanna level a warlock!

Don't. You don't get to tear off your robes being fucking ripped as hell and hold your own against a Warrior on pure brawn. :'(

Then again this was like (pre)Vanilla. If someone told me an Affliction Warlock could overpower a Warrior in a game of fisty cuffs back then I would not have doubted it.
 

Lyfer

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May 28, 2003
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I saw it last night too, I haven't read any reviews on it either. As someone who knows the lore well enough (played since wow beta + warcraft and whatnot), I liked it. If I knew nothing, or little about it, i'd be confused as to what was happening, and WHY. Who certain people were, why they mattered, etc. I think it would have been better with a little explanation, because as a standalone movie, not that great plot wise.

I thought I was watching a film made by students at first, it seemed to forced, acting wise. I got into it though, I think they would have been better off with an extra hour or so.

Agreed. Felt like a lot of details had to be rushed into 2 hours. Gonna see it on iMax tomarrow with the wifey and I'm really looking forward it to the second go around!
 

lupi

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I probably should've been a bit more clear. When I was referencing critics, I really meant the ones whose reviews I read/watched prior to seeing the movie. I mean... I also encountered some dumb reviews with silly comments. It definitely seemed like some people really wanted this to be more like Lord of the Rings. I was watching the Schmoes Knows guys, and one complained that Ben Foster "looked too young" to play a powerful sorcerer. Essentially, they wanted an other Gandalf, which is just silly.

The review that I probably agree with the most would be Jeremy Jahn's review. He was also heavily critical on the first bit.



I definitely think it would be better if it had more time. That may have allowed them to really flesh out characters and also allow us to really get a sense of the area. There was one point in the movie where I was actually confused about the geography, and that's coming from someone with over a year played in World of WarCraft! It was
during the scene in Goldshire where they mention a large fire to the south-east. I'm pretty sure they were talking about an attack on Westfall, but south-east of Goldshire is Duskwood/Darkshire. Darkshire actually makes more sense as that's by the entrance to Deadwind Pass, which leads to Swamp of Sorrows, which leads to Black Morass (Blasted Lands in WoW). They definitely mention that the gate is in "the morass", which is where it should be.


This review was a website one linked to some of the news sites, so rather pathetic.
 

EvilYoda

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Apr 1, 2001
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Mostly interested in the motion capture and CGI, I went to see the movie today...and it was bad. So bad. The "storyline" seemed like it was written by a fourth grader, there's absolutely no character establishment or development, and the overall editing and pacing is all over the place. A shame and a waste of Duncan Jones...I hope he doesn't suffer too much from this. I'm sure it'll do well at the box office because of the numbers coming from China, but it's a shit movie.

Maybe the original 2 hour and 40 minute edit makes it a better film, but I don't know if I'd be willing to sit through that again.

The facial motion capture and CGI was very impressive though. At least it has that going for it. Nice work, ILM.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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So much from the backgrounds to not only the orcs but the elves and dwarves etc. were CGI that I think think they mind better have just made humans computer generated too and make everything on screen look like it belonged side by side with each other. What other than the humans and props were "live" anyway?
 

EvilYoda

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From what I read after I watched the movie, apparently a good part of the sets were real and then the rest were CGI to expand the scope of things. I haven't seen any behind-the-scenes videos aside from their facial motion capture though, so I'm not entirely sure. Some scenes (there was one at the end with Garona and Llane that looked like 80s green screen) were painfully obvious.
 

MustISO

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Planning on seeing it tonight. Haven't read any reviews and don't really care what the reviewers think. I'm hoping it does well enough and they learn lessons from this one to make some more with some of the newer stories.
 

Sonikku

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I think they should have done away with the glowly eyes. For everybody, mages, Elves, Medivh. It works a little with Gul'dan but that's it. Looked cheesy everywhere else.
 

Udgnim

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movie wasn't horrible

it was made for the fans though

don't know how people with no familiarity of Warcraft will view the film. might just have no interest at all in watching it.
 

lupi

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Just got done watching it. Found it quite enjoyable. All the the orc stuff was exceptional. Guldan was much more of the badass than he normally gets in the game.

Roughest part would be the beginning. It feels like it had some excessive cuts for time done there. If you have decent knowledge of that world you'd probably not think much of it but does have continuity jumps for those getting a first jump in.

Once it gets to the attack in the forest it thematically becomes much smoother for both types of viewers. Really hope the BR release contains an extended edition, would be interested to see how the start is flushed out.

Only issue I had with any of the CGI stuff was that when they do an extended distance shot and had the camera moving it seems to excessively blur the background.

Draenei looked very good. Dwarves looked like they came right out of the game. Had forgotten for a moment when first seeing the elves that they had the glowies because their magic wasn't broken yet.

And they did do a fairly substantial retcon to garona, but I think that actually worked out nicely.
 
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gururu2

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Saw it and loved it. Though I paid to see it, I feel like Blizzard really delivered a nice gift to all those players that reveled in the game cinematics and gameplay. I am spotty on the lore but I know all the names and the movie was perfect for me to follow without any hitches. I saw it in 3-D and the CGI looked way better than in the 2-D trailers and clips I saw online. The movie is really brutal with really vicious action. The mages were the badasses, but Gul'Dan felt more like an animated character- as if Medehv and Khagar were humans battling a cartoon character. To me the soul of the movie is in Garona and Lothar. These two characters grew on me after coming in with a really underwhelming opinion after seeing them in web clips. I thought both actors were the strongest the movie had to offer. The fighting abilities of Lothar were the best in the movie. Garona was perfect also as his foil. I think Ben Foster was kind of wasted, the power of Medehv wasn't so awe-inspiring. Khadgar may be far more impressive in future films.
I went in with low expectations based on rotten tomatoes...but honestly non-players are not going to get it. They never got the chills with the game that this movie draws from. It really was to me an awesome movie.
 

lupi

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Alright, so I went to see the movie today, and honestly... I agree with the critics. The beginning of the movie is cut and paced so weirdly that you don't even know where you are at times. There were some choices made that just didn't make too much sense. The biggest is probably Lothar's son as I think the role of the brash youth would have been better filled by Varian Wrynn. The queen was pretty much a waste of screen time as her character really served no purpose at all. I mean... that's not surprising given that she's really never even mentioned in the lore. They seemed to even screw up Garona's parentage (
At one point during the movie, she mentions that the necklace has her mother's tusk on it. Garona's mother was a Draenei -- who do appear during the movie as slaves -- and Draenei don't have tusks.
)

I wish that they would've handled Medivh a bit better.
At one point, this weird lady inside a cube (more on that in a second) states that "The Guardian" is just a name. Uh... no, lady... The Guardian of Tirisfal is a shit ton more than "just a name". As for the woman, my only guess is that she's actually Aegwynn (Medivh's mother and the previous Guardian of Tirisfal), but that doesn't make a ton of sense given that Mr. Glowy Eyes stated that the cube had been there for a really long time. It also didn't appear to be a dragon in human form, which would have also worked. Overall, I think Medivh's betrayal just came across as weird... especially when he seemingly took the shape of Sargeras. I mean... the whole point of Sargeras bringing the Orcs to Azeroth was so he could get to the Tomb of Sargeras and retrieve his body. Sargeras was just a soul at that point as Aegwynn killed him years ago.

One thing that was kind of awkward is that while Stormwind looked grand, it didn't look lively at all. There was only a single scene where it looked like more than a dozen extras lived in the city.

I don't think you got that they had changed Garona and it probably tilted how you viewed other things.
 

lupi

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Saw it and loved it. Though I paid to see it, I feel like Blizzard really delivered a nice gift to all those players that reveled in the game cinematics and gameplay. I am spotty on the lore but I know all the names and the movie was perfect for me to follow without any hitches. I saw it in 3-D and the CGI looked way better than in the 2-D trailers and clips I saw online. The movie is really brutal with really vicious action. The mages were the badasses, but Gul'Dan felt more like an animated character- as if Medehv and Khagar were humans battling a cartoon character. To me the soul of the movie is in Garona and Lothar. These two characters grew on me after coming in with a really underwhelming opinion after seeing them in web clips. I thought both actors were the strongest the movie had to offer. The fighting abilities of Lothar were the best in the movie. Garona was perfect also as his foil. I think Ben Foster was kind of wasted, the power of Medehv wasn't so awe-inspiring. Khadgar may be far more impressive in future films.
I went in with low expectations based on rotten tomatoes...but honestly non-players are not going to get it. They never got the chills with the game that this movie draws from. It really was to me an awesome movie.

When the human detachment went looking for a prisoner and one of the orcs toss the axe and it took out the legs of the horse, that felt vicious. Not to mention the numerous broken backs and necks.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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So basically the only ones that like this movie are the nerds that are familiar with Warcraft. That's what it seems like.
 

lupi

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Went with someone that knows nothing of the game and asked after is was over when is the next one coming out so we can find out what happened to the baby.
 

waggy

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I just got back. i really enjoyed it. The only issue i had was the end.

The orcs were much more vicious and strong then i thought they would be. but damn it was good.
 

Sonikku

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I guess if it was not readily apparent already from the lore it's pretty much a conclusion that
Medivh is Garona's father.

So basically the only ones that like this movie are the nerds that are familiar with Warcraft. That's what it seems like.

It is. Because to see the characters you've seen in the game and books realized in movie form is a new and fresh way to see the mythos. And it works for fans because they can fill in the gaps to the story and the characters. "Yep, there's Gul'dan in Outland, having made his deal with the Burning Legion to bring the Orcs into Azeroth to dig up the body of Sargeras!" Yeah. Ain't nobody who isn't a fan knows where the fuck any of this is going on or why. No where is it mentioned how Medivh became corrupted. Is just thrown out there.
 

zerocool84

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I guess if it was not readily apparent already from the lore it's pretty much a conclusion that
Medivh is Garona's father.



It is. Because to see the characters you've seen in the game and books realized in movie form is a new and fresh way to see the mythos. And it works for fans because they can fill in the gaps to the story and the characters. "Yep, there's Gul'dan in Outland, having made his deal with the Burning Legion to bring the Orcs into Azeroth to dig up the body of Sargeras!" Yeah. Ain't nobody who isn't a fan knows where the fuck any of this is going on or why. No where is it mentioned how Medivh became corrupted. Is just thrown out there.

Which is bad for the average viewer since like you said, they probably won't like the movie.
 

lupi

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I guess if it was not readily apparent already from the lore it's pretty much a conclusion that
Medivh is Garona's father.



It is. Because to see the characters you've seen in the game and books realized in movie form is a new and fresh way to see the mythos. And it works for fans because they can fill in the gaps to the story and the characters. "Yep, there's Gul'dan in Outland, having made his deal with the Burning Legion to bring the Orcs into Azeroth to dig up the body of Sargeras!" Yeah. Ain't nobody who isn't a fan knows where the fuck any of this is going on or why. No where is it mentioned how Medivh became corrupted. Is just thrown out there.

medivh/garona was changed from the lore and they went into pretty deep detail about the fel & corruption in the film.
 

Sonikku

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But when did they reveal Medivh was taken over since birth by Sargeras? Did they basically ret con that to his bath tub getting corrupted to the point of tainting anyone who dare bathe in it or something?
 

Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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Only issue I had with any of the CGI stuff was that when they do an extended distance shot and had the camera moving it seems to excessively blur the background.

I noticed that as well. It was the panning scene with the towers.

I don't think you got that they had changed Garona and it probably tilted how you viewed other things.

I don't get why you're making excuses for the movie. Yes, I noticed Garona's change, and it didn't "tilt me". It simply made me wonder what the change entailed. Although, to be clear, it didn't need to be changed. The Draenei that got raped to sire her was that Justicar's sister. (The one that dies in the second WoD cinematic.) Honestly, if I had to guess, they really didn't want to say "Oh, the Draenei female was raped at Gul'dan's command." The "r-word" is a bit taboo to just put in a movie.

I guess if it was not readily apparent already from the lore it's pretty much a conclusion that
Medivh is Garona's father.

That's not what happens in the lore.
Garona's mother is known, but Garona's father is just "some Orc". In the lore, Garona and Medivh have a child together called Me'dan. He became the next Guardian of Tirisfal and is currently being trained by Medivh's mother, Aegwynn.

But when did they reveal Medivh was taken over since birth by Sargeras? Did they basically ret con that to his bath tub getting corrupted to the point of tainting anyone who dare bathe in it or something?

It wasn't retconned. They just never said what happened to him. I wonder if it would've helped if they had one of those cheesy intro narrations. Yeah, I used the word "cheesy", but at least they could've info-dumped a few things that would have made things make a bit more sense. They could easily mention things like Sargeras, Aegwynn and Medivh's coma. I mean... the current intro was pretty much just a segue for WoW players: "Before you guys used to fight in The Barrens, this shit that we're going to go into for two hours happened!"

Oh, and I complained about the cube earlier. A friend told me that the woman in the cube was the first Guardian of Tirisfal.
 

Lyfer

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I have seen it 3 times so far. It would be awesome to see an uncut directors version. You really felt Duncan was forced to squeeze everything in a 2 hour gap.
 
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