Warez are OK at AT now?

BenSkywalker

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I have been flaming fbrdphreak in his thread about drivers because of his pirating games and it has been implicated that flaming someone for Warezing is now a bannable offense- is that true mods? I would like to know as in all of my years here I have never known that to be OK in any way whatsoever. In the past pirates have always been dealt with swiftly by the mods and am wondering if this has changed?

Given that pirates are helping to destroy PC gaming in general I would assume that the general consensus here is that pirates should be ostracized ASAP.


We do not condone nor allow pirated software or warez. The buying, selling, trading of such is a bannable offense. Bragging about using priated/warez software or games will result in an immediate thread lock and possible vacation. Flaming, name calling and personal threats are, always has been and always will be a bannable offense. If there is a problem, PM us.

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JBT

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
I have been flaming fbrdphreak in his thread about drivers because of his pirating games and it has been implicated that flaming someone for Warezing is now a bannable offense- is that true mods? I would like to know as in all of my years here I have never known that to be OK in any way whatsoever. In the past pirates have always been dealt with swiftly by the mods and am wondering if this has changed?

Given that pirates are helping to destroy PC gaming in general I would assume that the general consensus here is that pirates should be ostracized ASAP.

I think you meant Forum Issues?
 

BenSkywalker

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No, I meant to post it here. If it shows up in forum issues and the mods respond then most of the people that frequent this forum won't see anything about it. It has been a while since we have had a warez kiddie banned.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
it has been implicated that flaming someone for Warezing is now a bannable offense
I don't think anyone implicated that flaming for warez is a bannable offense. Someone suggested I contact the mods if you continued to harrass me. Contacting the mods does not mean banning.
 

rbV5

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Bugbear probably doesn't mind if someone steals their work, maybe they'll release a warez patch to clear up the "problem" with the Nvidia drivers?
 

Jaihahih

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pirating games= no-no. But I'm amazed at what flies in these forums. The FS/FT forums are littered with modded Xboxes. Hmmm, what would you do with a 120GB hard drive Xbox that has been modded to store games. Hmmm what would you do?
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: Jaihahih
pirating games= no-no. But I'm amazed at what flies in these forums. The FS/FT forums are littered with modded Xboxes. Hmmm, what would you do with a 120GB hard drive Xbox that has been modded to store games. Hmmm what would you do?
I use mine so I can avoid changing discs all the time, by ripping my legaly purchased titles to it. I alos like being able to store tons of pr0n and other content on it, since the nvidia APU helps make for a killer little HTPC setup.

Much like many other things, while illegal use can be made of it, there are perfectly legal applications to which they can be put to as well. So what would I do? Now you know <GI Joe>and knowing is half the battle kids!</>
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: Jaihahih
pirating games= no-no. But I'm amazed at what flies in these forums. The FS/FT forums are littered with modded Xboxes. Hmmm, what would you do with a 120GB hard drive Xbox that has been modded to store games. Hmmm what would you do?

Just having the ability to pirate is not illegal, actually having the games and using them however, is. There is nothing wrong with selling modded Xboxes. They can be used for other things other than just games too. (music, etc)
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Jaihahih
pirating games= no-no. But I'm amazed at what flies in these forums. The FS/FT forums are littered with modded Xboxes. Hmmm, what would you do with a 120GB hard drive Xbox that has been modded to store games. Hmmm what would you do?
I use mine so I can avoid changing discs all the time, by ripping my legaly purchased titles to it. I alos like being able to store tons of pr0n and other content on it, since the nvidia APU helps make for a killer little HTPC setup.

Much like many other things, while illegal use can be made of it, there are perfectly legal applications to which they can be put to as well. So what would I do? Now you know <GI Joe>and knowing is half the battle kids!</>

Actually what you are doing is illegal. Breaking the copy protection and ripping the disc isn't legal
 

theMan

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i pirated every piece of software on my computer including windows, and all my games. ARREST ME.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: theman
i pirated every piece of software on my computer including windows, and all my games. ARREST ME.

So your claim of mostly freeware on your rig is pretty much BS? Nice
 

theMan

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you have no real proof that i actually have warez on my computer. just saying i have it is not against any rules. now, telling people how to get warez, thats a whole other story.
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually what you are doing is illegal. Breaking the copy protection and ripping the disc isn't legal

There are some questions as to whether these provisions of the DMCA would actually hold up in court, but technically, yes, it is illegal to break encryption in the US right now, even if you do not do anything illegal with the content once you have it in an unencrypted format.

As far as the OP: Trolling/flaming or threadcrapping is still not allowed, even if the person you are doing it to is doing things you don't like or that are illegal. If you feel someone is doing things that violate forum rules, report them to a moderator or post about it in FI.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: Jaihahih
But I'm amazed at what flies in these forums.

Indeed. Entire threads dedicated to the discussion of illegal drugs and people taking them are often allowed to stay up as well.
 

Avalon

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As long as a person is not promoting piracy and is contributing to the forums, I have no issues with them posting here.
 

TheRyuu

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Piracy=bad and is a no-no

However, actually trying to prove I just downloaded the whole 4th season of CSI is going to be kind of hard. (I didn't really, I'm using it as an example)
Basically all I have to do is download it, burn it and then delete it from my computer. Now I dare you to prove that i actually did do it. (again, i didn't really do it, it's an example)

Anyway, I generally try not to pirate games, and other software. Sure one might sneak in once in a while, but i would later buy it. A $700 copy of photoshop might be a little different........

Anywho, isn't this the wrong forum? Wouldn't it make more sense to post this in OT? You'd get alot more viewers there. Is warez ok at AT? Probably, the mods really couldn't care less about alot of the BS that goes around here.
 

RampantAndroid

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Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually what you are doing is illegal. Breaking the copy protection and ripping the disc isn't legal

There are some questions as to whether these provisions of the DMCA would actually hold up in court, but technically, yes, it is illegal to break encryption in the US right now, even if you do not do anything illegal with the content once you have it in an unencrypted format.

As far as the OP: Trolling/flaming or threadcrapping is still not allowed, even if the person you are doing it to is doing things you don't like or that are illegal. If you feel someone is doing things that violate forum rules, report them to a moderator or post about it in FI.

Aren't there 2 laws that contradict eachother (millenium rights act being 1) where one says, you bought it, do what you want, and the other says you cannot touch encryption??

I started the thread in FI for him basically...he kept attacking though. I told him he was wrong toact the way he did, but he didn't listen.

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: wizboy11
Sure one might sneak in once in a while, but i would later buy it.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/fbrdphreak/suckitassholes_1.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/fbrdphreak/suckitassholes_2.jpg

Ummmm, owned? That's what you get for creating threadcrap in the original thread, and for creating this threadcrap (in the wrong place too!)

BTW- I told you to name this thread "crap" didn't I?

 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually what you are doing is illegal. Breaking the copy protection and ripping the disc isn't legal

There are some questions as to whether these provisions of the DMCA would actually hold up in court, but technically, yes, it is illegal to break encryption in the US right now, even if you do not do anything illegal with the content once you have it in an unencrypted format.

As far as the OP: Trolling/flaming or threadcrapping is still not allowed, even if the person you are doing it to is doing things you don't like or that are illegal. If you feel someone is doing things that violate forum rules, report them to a moderator or post about it in FI.

Aren't there 2 laws that contradict eachother (millenium rights act being 1) where one says, you bought it, do what you want, and the other says you cannot touch encryption??

Note: IANAL, and I am paraphrasing things very heavily. This thread should not be considered legal advice, and will not hold up in court. Copyright law is EXTREMELY complicated.

The DMCA, basically (among many other things), makes it illegal to create, distribute, or use software that can be used to defeat cryptosystems. This should, technically, make things like DeCSS illegal. However, these provisions have not been tested in court.

Copyright holders have the right to define what you are and are not allowed to do with their content -- to a point.

'Fair use' provisions under copyright law say that (among other things), if you have a right to view certain content, you should be able to view it as you see fit, and do other things that don't impact the copyright holder's rights or take money away from them. For instance, it's perfectly legal for you to take a bunch of CDs you own and make a compilation tape to listen to (or to rip the CDs to your computer and listen to them yourself). But it's not legal for you to give the tape to your friend, or make the files available for download online, or to open a CD rental service and charge people to listen to your CD collection.

With modern computer technology, it is now possible to make lossless digital copies of audio CDs or DVD movies -- something that really was not possible with analog media distribution. Pirated copies of content used to be lower in quality, and second- or third-generation copies were significantly degraded. This is no longer the case, which has driven content providers to use stronger copy-protection controls on digital content.

The problem is that some things that people should reasonably be able to do via 'fair use' are often restricted by DRM (Digital Rights Management) technologies like CSS in order to make digital piracy harder. For instance, some people would like to be able to rip DVDs to their hard drive so as to be able to watch them without having the physical DVD in the drive -- this seems to be a fine thing under fair use, but currently letting people do this would also let them make unlimited copies of the DVD and pirate it. So DVDs have CSS encryption, which prevents you from ripping/copying the DVD on any compliant DVD player/software.

This is a VERY complicated issue, and it starts to bring out many of the flaws and limitations of current copyright laws (which were mostly written decades or even centuries ago, without taking into account that people would be able to very quickly and cheaply make very high-quality copies of content).

The question is not whether you should be able to distribute content without permission. The question is how much the content providers are allowed to limit 'fair use' in order to prevent easy piracy. And there is no clear-cut answer here.
 

compgeek89

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I'll go on record as saying that - though it is wrong - illegal copying of games is HELPING the gaming industry.

Why? Most people (Probably at least 90%) that download the games never intended to buy it anyway. Some of them actually decide the game is good and buy it- either for Online play or just to support a good game maker once they decide the game is good.


It is definitly not detracting from the gaming industry given that no game from any reputable publisher is playable online wihout a real key..
 

RampantAndroid

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That's been a revolution as of late with CD-Keys and validation. From that point on (and multiplayer along with it) they are basically giving out "extended demos". Games like BF2, UT2004, Halo and such allow you to get a taste of the game and leave you wanting more (or realizing the game was worth nothing)

Matthias, thanks for the info!
 
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