Warhammer 40K Dawn of War III (GameGPU)

IEC

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Nice to see a relatively well-optimized game. Fiji (Fury X) and Kepler (780 Ti) showing their raw horsepower here.

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CPU performance 1080p:

 
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GodisanAtheist

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It's still stunning to see AMD at the top of the CPU chart. Not really gpu related but still...

Good to see that 40k is a solidly balanced title, lots of cards slotting into the "correct" order while maintaining very playable framerates. Well done Relic (although it might also be that relic hasn't really updated their engine since company of heroes)!
 
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It's still stunning to see AMD at the top of the CPU chart. Not really gpu related but still...

Good to see that 40k is a solidly balanced title, lots of cards slotting into the "correct" order while maintaining very playable framerates. Well done Relic (although it might also be that relic hasn't really updated their engine since company of heroes)!

It shouldn't be, clock for clock it's somewhere between Broadwell and Skylake. The actual issue for gamers is Intel chips can hit 5GHz on air while AMD is limited to around 3.8-4.0.
 

Riek

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They have crap cpu test anyway.4770 faster than 6700..LOL.

Why couldn't that be the case?

4770K specification: 3.5 base - 3.9GHz boost
6700 specification: 3.4 base - 4GHz boost

Seems like both of these chips will have very similar in performance.
So in this case they measure a difference of ~6% where the base diff is ~3%. So all that is well within the margin of an error.

FYI: you are probably confusing the 6700 and the 6700K

Similar to the 7700 and 7700K, the non K versions have a >15% lower base clock speed..
 

Head1985

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I dont trust them.They dont even have test setup details for skylake.
They using 2133Mhz ram with SB and haswell(2666Mhz for hw-E) and probably 2133Mhz with skylake thats why its so slow.So i dont care about those results.As you probably know skylake with fast memory is around 30% faster than with 2133mhz ram.
 
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This game shows a very strange performance, a 1060 is strong against a 480, but on the other side fury is strong against the 1070. Normally when Fury is strong, the 480 is also strong. Would be interesting what's the reason for this.
 

vissarix

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Relatively well optimized game and shows a Fury X almost on par with an GTX1080 despite being 40% slower in reality
 

tamz_msc

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Relatively well optimized game and shows a Fury X almost on par with an GTX1080 despite being 40% slower in reality
It also shows how *NOT* selectively optimizing for certain architectures means that the 780Ti can match the 290X, which is what how things should be.
 

Despoiler

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This game runs great on my rig. The quick FPS tester that is built into the video settings screen shows me getting ~120 fps. It's right in line with these benchmarks.
 
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crisium

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It also shows how *NOT* selectively optimizing for certain architectures means that the 780Ti can match the 290X, which is what how things should be.

Define how things "should" be. 780 Ti was a card released after the 290X, for a $150 premium. It should be faster, not a hair slower. And even when Maxwell first took over, the 780 Ti beat the 290X: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/images/perfrel_2560.gif

Unless that's what you meant? I just assumed you had low standards for the 780 Ti and expected it to lose.

Anyway, this title seems GCN 3 (Tonga/Fiji) favoured. Normally a 380X should not be that close to the 470, nor that far ahead of the 280X (which actually sometimes wins). And of course Fury X is doing well here. Odd to see. You normally expect GCN 2 optimization because of consoles or GCN 4 because of arch improvements and more driver focus.
 
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alcoholbob

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Define how things "should" be. 780 Ti was a card released after the 290X, for a $150 premium. It should be faster, not a hair slower. And even when Maxwell first took over, the 780 Ti beat the 290X: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/images/perfrel_2560.gif

Unless that's what you meant? I just assumed you had low standards for the 780 Ti and expected it to lose.

Anyway, this title seems GCN 3 (Tonga/Fiji) favoured. Normally a 380X should not be that close to the 470, nor that far ahead of the 280X (which actually sometimes wins). And of course Fury X is doing well here. Odd to see. You normally expect GCN 2 optimization because of consoles or GCN 4 because of arch improvements and more driver focus.

780 Ti is under clocked compared to 290x though, which is factory clocked within 50mhz of its max OC. 780Ti on the other hand has about 200mhz of wiggle room left in order to look better in perf per watt measurements.
 

crisium

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Those facts were true when they competed in 2013-2014 and the stock 780 Ti still won easily. I'm not trying to resurrect that debate. Just pointing out that this isn't a full reset to where Kepler was 3 years ago, despite arguably better positioning than in many other recent games.
 

tamz_msc

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Define how things "should" be. 780 Ti was a card released after the 290X, for a $150 premium. It should be faster, not a hair slower. And even when Maxwell first took over, the 780 Ti beat the 290X: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/images/perfrel_2560.gif

Unless that's what you meant? I just assumed you had low standards for the 780 Ti and expected it to lose.

Anyway, this title seems GCN 3 (Tonga/Fiji) favoured. Normally a 380X should not be that close to the 470, nor that far ahead of the 280X (which actually sometimes wins). And of course Fury X is doing well here. Odd to see. You normally expect GCN 2 optimization because of consoles or GCN 4 because of arch improvements and more driver focus.
The 780Ti and the 290X were the top cards in their respective generation and therefore it is expected that they should perform close to one another, with the 780Ti being slightly ahead in theory.

Things should not be like Doom for example, where Vulkan support is broken for Kepler and was never fixed in the drivers.
 

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Sniper Ghost Warrior 3 also shows Fury X almost on GTX1080 level (on gamegpu). This never happened before, but to be honest I expected it to happen in many games, especially near and after Volta launch. 1080 was on another level in all games when it released. The landscape is changing.

2 years is the standard free upgrade timing for AMD cards
 
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Seeing Fury X doing this well with proper optimization gets me really excited for Vega The question is, is this game just really maxed out optimization-wise or is the 1080 just not doing as well as it should. This engine looks like it really enjoys raw compute power which makes sense given the results minus a few outliers.
 
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If a Dev finds a why to fill up Fiji's MASSIVE shader array and avoid its unbalanced weaknesses, it is still stunning in performance today.
 
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Carfax83

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I'd need to see these benchmarks corroborated by other websites before I believe them completely. GameGPU's benches tend to be more untrustworthy and less comprehensive than the German based websites like PCGH.de and Computerbase.de, which offer superior methodology. GameGPU is almost always the first to put up benchmarks of new games, which makes me suspicious as to whether they are actually performing the benches at all, or just making them up.
 

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Kepler is a very poor architecture for compute, which is becoming more and more popular in games.

Kepler's decline is simply a case of the card's weakness rearing its head. I'm guessing this game doesn't use as many compute shaders as most modern games do.

As for the Fury's performance, looks like the game is very good at filling the massive shader array of Fiji, and avoiding the various bottlenecks found in it. In these situations, it should be sitting exactly where it is on the charts.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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As for the Fury's performance, looks like the game is very good at filling the massive shader array of Fiji, and avoiding the various bottlenecks found in it. In these situations, it should be sitting exactly where it is on the charts.

-AMD's "Fine Wine" is so frustrating from this perspective when "one tier up" performance could have been available in July of 2015 instead of April 2017 if the GCN arch had Kepler's (and Maxwell and Pascal's) balance and scalability.
 

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-AMD's "Fine Wine" is so frustrating from this perspective when "one tier up" performance could have been available in July of 2015 instead of April 2017 if the GCN arch had Kepler's (and Maxwell and Pascal's) balance and scalability.
They wouldn't be able to have this kind of performance if they attempted to balance it. Fury X was 596mm^2, it was pretty much as large as it could be.
Fury X was packed to the brim with shaders, and had they attempted to balance it, they would need to cut back on the shaders.

Vega's ~520mm^2 size after a node shrink while still having the same 4096 shaders and cutting down the memory interface in half should tell you just how much area it would have taken to balance it lol
 

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-AMD's "Fine Wine" is so frustrating from this perspective when "one tier up" performance could have been available in July of 2015 instead of April 2017 if the GCN arch had Kepler's (and Maxwell and Pascal's) balance and scalability.

The Fine Wine is a thing of the past as of Polaris. During the Polaris launch AMD commented that they understood they needed to extract more of the true performance in launch drivers so they did. That's why on every game specific driver update it says Polaris gets 5-8%. There are no 9+% figures like in the past.
 

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I'd need to see these benchmarks corroborated by other websites before I believe them completely. GameGPU's benches tend to be more untrustworthy and less comprehensive than the German based websites like PCGH.de and Computerbase.de, which offer superior methodology. GameGPU is almost always the first to put up benchmarks of new games, which makes me suspicious as to whether they are actually performing the benches at all, or just making them up.
Another Bench by overclock3d. Are they trustworthy enough for you ?

 
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