Originally posted by: CKent
Aside from keeping you stunned the entire time from 100% health until you die...
Shenanigans.
Originally posted by: CKent
Aside from keeping you stunned the entire time from 100% health until you die...
You said it. Priests' off-spec has CC and a huge group benefit in the constant mana/hp replenishment. Paladins' and druids' off-specs are very capable of tanking. Additionally, feral is excellent dps making it suitable for farming and pvp. Only shamans must be restoration in PvE. The off-specs are so weak in PvP I won't even mention it. Everyone who plays at 70 knows how gimped they are and that the basics of PvP include killing the shaman first.Originally posted by: Aikouka
I don't think shamans are worthless.. I think shamans suffer the most because they have no role apart from their restoration spec. My shaman is enhancement (level 69, he failed to hit level 70 with my mage this weekend because my mage did the majority of instances), and he does pretty decent DPS given the fact that mail physical dps gear is pretty scarce (except in raids). The problem is... why would someone really want a shaman over a mage, warlock or rogue? For instances that are CC heavy, a shaman is useless, because they have no long-lasting CC (polymorph, sap and seduce). I was lucky to get into a Sethekk Halls run last night on my shaman after a DPS warrior quit the group! Good thing I don't need shattered halls or I bet I'd never get it.
Oh wait! We can use stoneclaw totem! :laugh:
I want PvP as it was at 60 since release.I think you want too much out of your class or you're simply not playing with others.
Originally posted by: CKent
You said it. Priests' off-spec has CC and a huge group benefit in the constant mana/hp replenishment. Paladins' and druids' off-specs are very capable of tanking. Additionally, feral is excellent dps making it suitable for farming and pvp. Only shamans must be restoration in PvE. The off-specs are so weak in PvP I won't even mention it. Everyone who plays at 70 knows how gimped they are and that the basics of PvP include killing the shaman first.
Originally posted by: CKent
I want PvP as it was at 60 since release.
Originally posted by: CKent
If a rogue isn't locking you down with stuns he's a poor excuse for a player.
Originally posted by: Zbox
Originally posted by: CKent
If a rogue isn't locking you down with stuns he's a poor excuse for a player.
it's silly to make blanket statements about things you obviously have less than a clue about.
this just does not (and cannot) happen in high level duels or arena due to the scaling of HP and dmg mitigation that resilience provides.
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Must resist urge to get involved in scrubs arguing........ arg
My warlock pvp spec > all yalls :heart:
Seriously tho, 13k health 4k armor 900 shadow damage 350 res warlocks are op (coming from a 2000 rating warlock), pally/lock and warlock/sp combo op
Scrub? Lol you people really think you're skilled, that it can't possibly be the class you were lucky enough to pick... Both godlocks and rogues are so disgustingly overpowered in PvP I have to wonder what drug combinations the developers are taking - crack alone can't explain it. I guess it must be very self-gratifying, a nice little ego boost and all. Like Mike Tyson beating up a 5 year old and claiming boxing skill, practice and training :laugh:
Originally posted by: CKent
I'm at about 9500 armor, 10k hp and 170 resilience. As I've geared up a bit rogues have gone from stunlocking me to death in 10 seconds to doing it in 15 (Mind you, many of them wearing blues and even greens. Many without a shred of resilience or the pvp trinket which, unlike them, I MUST wear to have half a chance once every 2 long, painful minutes). If they slack and let me out of the stunlock, what can I do? I'm not melee, but if I were they have an incredible dodge rate and evasion. Cast? No, being hit 50 times a second makes even a 1 second cast take 5 minutes. Snare them and get distance? Nope, not with 4-5 readily available counters to snares. And dots & instants aren't an option because of CloS.
Originally posted by: Zbox
yep, rogues are overpowered! they also happen to be the only class with ZERO representation in 5v5.
Originally posted by: Zbox
They don't this season.
It's a bad analogy because rogues destroy most classes other than MS warriors. If I destroyed everyone but rogues I wouldn't be complaining.Originally posted by: Aikouka
Why are you complaining about rogues vs shamans when you said we shouldn't complain about rogues vs warriors? You're complaining about a class that your own class is inherently weak too... and you want some resemblance of level 60 PVP back? News flash, rogues owned shamans at level 60 too! I remember beating one of the top shamans in the top Horde guild on my old server before he could even move and he was elemental with dagger-n-shield up and all gear being epic. It ain't new.
Maybe I should complain that shamans are overpowered because some hunter in my guild (with decent gear) got 2-shot in Arena by an elemental shaman via Lightning Overload (so in other words, it was instant death). Or I should complain about hunters because they can two-shot my mage with a decent crit or two.
Also, when it comes to rogues in Arena, if you're in a 2v2 and you only see 1 person... guess what, you probably have a rogue or a druid! Take counteractive measures against them. Drop a magma totem down, drop an earthbind if you think they're near you. Heck sometimes dropping EB and Magma is a good idea... get 'em snared from the start. Don't stand there and take it like the prison b****!
I've explained this two or three times already. I wish you'd read the thread before replying. That way I wouldn't have to repeat myself.Originally posted by: Zbox
yep, rogues are overpowered! they also happen to be the only class with ZERO representation in 5v5.
Originally posted by: CKent
I've explained this two or three times already. I wish you'd read the thread before replying. That way I wouldn't have to repeat myself.Originally posted by: Zbox
yep, rogues are overpowered! they also happen to be the only class with ZERO representation in 5v5.
Children and bad players don't have an even class choice distribution. No 12 year old gets mom to buy WoW, hits up the character creation screen and rolls a priest thinking "Loelz I'm gun2 pwn pplz wif l33t h34lz!!1!1". Nol, they seem to choose rogues and hunters primarily.
I'm not calling you a kid nor stupid, I know you're not. I'm just talking about averages here. It's why rogues and hunters don't do well in arenas.
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: CKent
I've explained this two or three times already. I wish you'd read the thread before replying. That way I wouldn't have to repeat myself.Originally posted by: Zbox
yep, rogues are overpowered! they also happen to be the only class with ZERO representation in 5v5.
Children and bad players don't have an even class choice distribution. No 12 year old gets mom to buy WoW, hits up the character creation screen and rolls a priest thinking "Loelz I'm gun2 pwn pplz wif l33t h34lz!!1!1". Nol, they seem to choose rogues and hunters primarily.
I'm not calling you a kid nor stupid, I know you're not. I'm just talking about averages here. It's why rogues and hunters don't do well in arenas.
That is a very weak argument with no supporting facts. There are almost 9 million people playing the game with somewhere in the ballpark of a million rogues. Your theory about what a 12 year old would want to choose as a character just doesn't hold water (let alone a million gallons of it)
We have about 3 teenagers in my guild (16-18) and the remainder of the nearly two hundred members are all adults (>18). This includes all the rogues. How do you explain this with your theory?
Your theory is crap.
I think it's much more plausible that the correlation between low representation of rogues in PvP rankings is caused by rogues not being the overpowered PvP monsters that you keep claiming (even though you don't play a rogue).
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: CKent
I've explained this two or three times already. I wish you'd read the thread before replying. That way I wouldn't have to repeat myself.Originally posted by: Zbox
yep, rogues are overpowered! they also happen to be the only class with ZERO representation in 5v5.
Children and bad players don't have an even class choice distribution. No 12 year old gets mom to buy WoW, hits up the character creation screen and rolls a priest thinking "Loelz I'm gun2 pwn pplz wif l33t h34lz!!1!1". Nol, they seem to choose rogues and hunters primarily.
I'm not calling you a kid nor stupid, I know you're not. I'm just talking about averages here. It's why rogues and hunters don't do well in arenas.
That is a very weak argument with no supporting facts. There are almost 9 million people playing the game with somewhere in the ballpark of a million rogues. Your theory about what a 12 year old would want to choose as a character just doesn't hold water (let alone a million gallons of it)
We have about 3 teenagers in my guild (16-18) and the remainder of the nearly two hundred members are all adults (>18). This includes all the rogues. How do you explain this with your theory?
Your theory is crap.
I think it's much more plausible that the correlation between low representation of rogues in PvP rankings is caused by rogues not being the overpowered PvP monsters that you keep claiming (even though you don't play a rogue).
My theory is far stronger than your allegation that a few rogues in your guild are a representative sample of a million people. You honestly think young children roll healers and tanks?
Originally posted by: Smilin
Your theory is crap.
The assumption that because the .. what, 5? 6? rogues you know are a certain age, thus one million others must all a similar age remains a far more amusing and crappy theory. I could cherry pick 5 people who like eating balut as you've likely cherry picked your guild based on maturity level and likeminded players. Using your logic, I could say everyone on earth likes balut.Originally posted by: Smilin
Again though...you have no facts to back up your theory. None, nada, zip, zilch. That's why...
Your theory is crap.
Originally posted by: CKent
It's a bad analogy because rogues destroy most classes other than MS warriors. If I destroyed everyone but rogues I wouldn't be complaining.
Originally posted by: CKent
Overall the odds of being glibbed by LO it are quite low in bad gear and nonexistent in good gear. If rogues could only stunlock me to death once every 100 tries I'd have no problem with it.
Originally posted by: CKent
I owned rogues at 60 btw.
Originally posted by: CKent
Earthbind won't pull them out after the nerf next patch.
Originally posted by: CKent
Children and bad players don't have an even class choice distribution. No 12 year old gets mom to buy WoW, hits up the character creation screen and rolls a priest thinking "Loelz I'm gun2 pwn pplz wif l33t h34lz!!1!1". Nol, they seem to choose rogues and hunters primarily.
Originally posted by: CKent
The assumption that because the .. what, 5? 6? rogues you know are a certain age, thus one million others must all a similar age remains a far more amusing and crappy theory. I could cherry pick 5 people who like eating balut as you've likely cherry picked your guild based on maturity level and likeminded players. Using your logic, I could say everyone on earth likes balut.Originally posted by: Smilin
Again though...you have no facts to back up your theory. None, nada, zip, zilch. That's why...
Your theory is crap.
Balut
..There. I posted a question. There is NO assertion there other than your theory doesn't match my observations. Don't read anything more into it than there is.Originally posted by: Smilin
We have about 3 teenagers in my guild (16-18) and the remainder of the nearly two hundred members are all adults (>18). This includes all the rogues. How do you explain this with your theory?
It seems obvious to me that the class and race choices in an MMORPG would be demographically different. It's no different from the differences between the average buyer of a Corvette vs. a station wagon. I don't understand how you can deny something so blatant.
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Also, regardless of how many crappy childish rogues there are on a server, if there are still good rogues... why don't they play on good teams? Only one of the 5v5 teams this past tournament had a rogue and as mentioned in this thread, they no longer have said rogue on their team. Coincidence?