Warm deal, but cool gadget: Sony NetMD $140 shipped

GnatGoSplat

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Warm deal because it's normal price: Sony MZ-N505 portable NetMD MiniDisc recorder. Records up to 5-hrs of MP3, WMA, and WAV at up to 32x speed to a $2 MiniDisc. $140 shipped.

I still remember when a play-only MiniDisc Walkman cost more than this.
 

GnatGoSplat

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It will be ~$180 when it's available at Crutchfield, so it's a pretty good price.

Many deals passed off as "hot" posted in this forum are colder than this one, so give me a break.
 

taserT

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I've not been keeping up with the minidisc format even though i have a home minidisc recorder unit and a portable minidisc recorder. I really like the minidisc format but haven't been using it much lately. I didn't know they now have a portable recorder that you can put mp3 and wma files on. I wonder why they didn't do this sooner since mp3 files are so popular now. This looks like a very good price for a portable minidisc recorder that can handle all these kinds of files! My home unit and my portable unit won't. You would have to convert the mp3 files to wav and put them on minidisc. With this net md unit you don't have to convert! Plus it has 2x and 4x recording speed! I remember checking portable minidisc unts a few months ago and the ones they had then (which didnt play mp3 and wma) where like over $200 for the units with the 2x and 4x recording speed. I wonder if Sony waited too long with minidiscs in the US. I've noticed several stores that used to carry minidisc units no longer carry them.
 

SCSIfreek

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The US is always 2-3 years behind in electronics. looks at the cell phone industry and you'll see what I'm talking about. If you were to purchase a cell phone from japan its much more advance in features and style.


--Scsi
 

taserT

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Does anyone know what the bitrate of the mp3 files (assuming all have the same bitrate) would be if you put them on an 80m minidisc and recorded at the 4x speed? I know it would be 320 minutes of music, but what would the quality of the mp3 files be? thanks
 

jeepguy100

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If we were in the 80's or early 90's, this would be the hottest deal. In 2002, well that is another story...

Want to buy my mini disk player/recorder????

(smell the sarcasm)
 

LivinLaVivaPollo

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I believe there is a fair amount of compression going on when you do MDLP2/4. The quality is probably something near FM radio, but 320 minutes of music on a small little disk that never skips is pretty cool. I was thinking about going MD, but I ended up buying the iriver slimx 350.
 

taserT

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hmmm....FM radio quality isn't really all that bad assuming it's FM from a local station with clear reception. What would a 128 mp3 file quality be? Better than FM? At what mp3 file birate does the quality start to exceed FM quality? I know that 128 bitrate mp3 files aren't cd quality, but i'm not clear as to what that translates to.
 

jtallon

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I borrowed a friends MDPL unit a few weeks back, and dubbed the same set of songs (one classical, one rock, one country) to minidisc using the USB adaptor that Sony supplies. I copied one at normal bitrates (80-minutes per disc), and one at the LP rate (5 hours per disc or whatever).

Through headphones, the difference in quality was noticable, but not annoying. Through my home stereo though, I noticed a significant degradation of sound on the LP version. Keep in mind this is my own personal opinion, but I'm one of those people that thinks a 128kbps MP3 sounds just fine through a home stereo, so in order for me to notice the poor quality of the LP minidisc, it had to be pretty poor...

Think of it this way - a minidisc holds about 100 meg of data (I think - somebody correct me if I'm wrong). 5 hours of music would be 20-meg per hour. An average MP3 album (about an hour) burned at 128kbps is about 40 to 45 meg, so MDLP is about the same compression as a 64kbps MP3.

Again, this is my opinion - feel free to correct my statements or math if I have something wrong... Personally, one of these NetMD units would be cool as a portable maybe, but I'm a bigger fan of the hard drive based MP3 units like the Nomad Jukebox or Archos units...
 

iamme

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I've got an MD player (MZ-R700) that does MDLP (LP4). The mode should definitely be reserved for recordings where audio quality doesn't matter as much, i.e. live lecture recordings (what I use my MD player for). You could try to put 5 hours of music in LP4, but the quality won't be so great.

Isn't NetMD the format that all MD fans have been waiting for? That's a pretty great price, then, isn't it?

The biggest gripe for MD is that it's recording is done in real time. Sort of like making mixtapes with old cassette tapes. I personally, don't mind this at all. I enjoy having a collection of MiniDiscs that have recordings on them, that I just swap when I feel like it. With an MP3 player, I would have to keep erasing and uploading songs when I wanted to listen to something else. The quality sounds awesome, and my MD player has yet to ever skip on me! Battery life rocks. I really like the "gadget" factor of my MD player.

 

iamme

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Here's some info from Minidisc.org (a great site to learn about MD's)



<< What bitrates are used?

Standard ATRAC ("SP") is 292kbps, LP2 is ~132kbps, LP4 is ~66kbps. The LP mode bitrates are not simply 146kbps (292/2) and 73kbps (292/4) for this reason: In LP2 and LP4 modes 20 bytes of dummy data per 212 byte soundgroup are used to keep compatibility with SP mode, making them appear as normal ATRAC soundgroups containing silence. This allows LP2/4 tracks to play as silence on non-MDLP equipment. The intention is that older MD units should not produce random digital noise when playing LP tracks
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yogurt

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For the best resource (specifications, reviews, message boards, links, etc.) on minidiscs, check out minidisc.org.

Many people think of portable MD players/recorders and liken them to MP3 players. It would be more accurate to compare them to very advanced tape (cassette) players/recorders.

MP3 is an encoding format (it descibes what a file should look like). The same MP3 file can be played on a computer, portable MP3 player, etc. MD encompasses both the physical package (the disc enclosed in plastic) as well as the encoding on that package (ATRAC). A minidisc never has an MP3 file on it; it must always be ATRAC encoded audio.

MD devices are mechanical in nature; they have "moving parts". This means it is possible for them to skip. MP3 devices are often electrical machines (aka "solid state" or "no moving parts") which do not skip, but there are also those that are mechanical and could skip.

MD can be encoded in real-time; MP3 would require some serious computational horsepower to do that. Put differently, you can "record" into an MD by plugging a regular audio input source into the MD portable's audio input jack and playback (and record) at regular speed. Compare that to "recording" an MP3, where you start with a regular audio source (or a CD) and store it in an intermediate format (WAV file, etc.) on a computer. The encoding process (from this intermediate format) normally lasts longer than the sample that is being encoded. Hence, it can't be done in real time.

For the most part an MP3 portable cannot stand on its own; you need to use it with a computer for it to be effective. Contrast that with an portable MD recorder, which is much more independent - you could take it to a concert and make a live recording. On the other hand, if you do use a computer for MP3s, MP3 portables work very well (transfer the MP3 file digitally to the device), whereas MD portables were merely ok (play back the MP3 file at regular speed into the portable's audio input jack). The NetMD stuff is a solution to this problem. The software (on the PC) converts your MP3s to the ATRAC encoding; this ATRAC-encoded file is then transmitted to the device through a USB cable or some other digital method (which guarantees that the file arrives quickly and intact).

I have heard that MDLP2 is "good enough" but MDLP4 is noticeably different (for the worse). I only own one MD device (regular MD, no MDLP) and I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between stuff I have recorded on that medium and that coming from a CD.

If you have a large MP3 collection an MP3 device is probably better for you. If, on the other hand, your collection is in the form of audio CDs (or tapes or LPs or 8 tracks or live concerts or ...), MD should be the better choice. I chose MD over MP3 because I didn't want to depend on a computer, and because the cost of additional storage space was much, much lower (2-3 years ago), and am very satisfied with it. Short of something like an iPod, I think MD is still a better choice (unless you want it for something like jogging where MD could very well skip).
 

taserT

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Ok...i guess i didn't understand completely about this unit. I thought you could put the ACTUAL mp3 file onto a minidisc and the unit would play it as an mp3 file (with the unit converting the mp3 file). As i understand it now, the program that comes with the unit converts the mp3 ON THE COMPUTER and it's then downloaded to the unit. Hmmm....too bad you can't put mp3 files onto a minidisc....that's what i thought it did and that would be very cool. As it is, you can convert the mp3 files on your computer with any number of numerous programs and then download to your minidisc. This is nothing new. Was anyone else thinking like i did at first?!
 

GnatGoSplat

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I think it does the MP3 or WMA to ATRAC conversion in the background and copies it to the MD recorder in up to 32x speed (depending on compression quality) so it all happens unbeknownst to the user. It is NOT realtime.
 

IshmaelLeaver

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Many deals passed off as "hot" posted in this forum are colder than this one, so give me a break.

Not really. And we don't give them a break, either.
 

mesach

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Taser the real difference between this one and the older ones, is you download, not record in real time, i used to have an old recorder, no i have a MZ-N1 and i love it, i've transferred alot of mp3's to it, the most i use is mdlp2, im not going for quality here, its portable audio. if i want quality i sit at home in my home theater with SACD's or regular CD's and my pioneer home theater setup

i think its funny people complain about the quality of it being "SO TERRIBLE", are your ears really that tuned as to be able to detect the slightest sound differences on some cheap headphones out at the beach or where ever you are, there are so many things playing into the fact that there is background noise, so i dont care. its portable, i can listen to it where ever i go.

dont get me started on how you think that you can hear the differences in your car or something. Iwork for PIONEER. and i have seen some amazing setups, and in those cars you can tell the difference, cause there is NO road noise to speak of, but in most peoples cars there is alot of roadnoise, YOU just tune it out

whoa, sorry for the rant, another thread about the MD got me all hot and bothered
 
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