Warm: Fujitsu 36GB 15k u320 80pin - $40

[Steltek]

Originally posted by: csmaster2005
oh I understand what you mean, no rudness taken
I was just asking for links not so I can buy from newegg, but so I know what all is required. Is it just an scsi card and a cable with a terminal? Or is there something else?

At minimum, you'll need a SCSI interface card, the drive, and a SCSI cable. I also picked up one of those cheap 5 1/4" drive coolers with fans to stick the drive in as they tend to generate more heat than do slower IDE/SATA drives.

Most Ultra320 drives are backwards compatible with Ultra160 controllers, so you can use either. However, U320 will be a little faster if you have an U320 controller, U320 cable, and U320 drive (though, in real life, you probably won't notice the difference).

The two major types of drives you will see are 68 pin and 80 pin drives (80 pin drives are intended to be used in and easily/quickly hot-swapped from drive arrays, but they will work fine in a desktop if you get a 80 to 68 pin adapter).

Concerning the cable, any 68 pin U320 LVD (or U160, if you have a U160 controller) cable should work. SCSI drives have to be actively terminated, so it is simplest to get a cable that has a built-in terminator. If the cable doesn't have a terminator, you will need to purchase one to put on the end of it. I prefer round cables (flat SCSI cables are wider than IDE cables, thus affecting air flow in the case), but flat cables do work fine.

Ebay is a great source for cheap cables (especially round cables -- lots of Compaq, Dell, and HP server pulls) and even U160/U320 SCSI cards. Often, you'll see Compaq, Dell, or HP branded SCSI U160 or U320 cards that are in fact rebagged OEM Adaptec or LSI cards.

I have a Maxtor Atlas 15k2 36GB U320 drive installed in my main machine as my boot drive. I picked up a Compaq 64bit/66mhz Dual Channel Wide Ultra 3 SCSI Adapter from Ebay (it was actually a rebagged Adaptec AHA-3960D U160 controller -- a server pull) for 33 bucks shipped. I also picked up from Ebay, in a separate auction, a round three position 68pin SCSI internal cable with LVD/SE terminator for $18.00 shipped.

In your computer's BIOS setup, make sure to show boot order as SCSI first, then IDE. During the Windows XP Pro install, I had to use the option to load a 3rd party SCSI driver for XP's setup program to actually see the SCSI drive. After that, the install was a piece of cake.

It is my experience that SCSI drives are EXTREMELY reliable (I've been through 7 or 8 Maxtor and Western digital IDE drive failures in the last 10 years, but my SCSI drives just freaking keep on truckin' no matter what I throw at them). If I ever have a problem with a SCSI drive, I always check the cable first (the terminators on cheap cables do sometimes die -- while they are dying, they may cause intermittent errors before they finally give up the ghost), the controller second, and the drive last.

I have purchased many items from Hypermicro and highly recommend them. Hopefully, they will still have a few of those 73GB SCSI drives left when I finally get around to building my new E6750 Core2 machine in a few months).

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek
Most Ultra320 drives are backwards compatible with Ultra160 controllers, so you can use either. However, U320 will be a little faster if you have an U320 controller, U320 cable, and U320 drive (though, in real life, you probably won't notice the difference).

really? how would you quantify it? in my experience the 32 bit pci slot is the bottleneck, where is a full u320 setup faster? seek? it can't be burst or str because you are tapped out with a single 15k.5 or basically any 15k in a raid0 array, the only place i could see a difference is if you had quite a drives on a single card. could you please explain?

 

[Steltek]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Most Ultra320 drives are backwards compatible with Ultra160 controllers, so you can use either. However, U320 will be a little faster if you have an U320 controller, U320 cable, and U320 drive (though, in real life, you probably won't notice the difference).

really? how would you quantify it? in my experience the 32 bit pci slot is the bottleneck, where is a full u320 setup faster? seek? it can't be burst or str because you are tapped out with a single 15k.5 or basically any 15k in a raid0 array, the only place i could see a difference is if you had quite a drives on a single card. could you please explain?

Nothing really scientific. I previously had two identical Dell systems (400SCs) that I purchased a few years ago (one was supposed to be a gift, but due to a convoluted and really not relevant story I ended up keeping both of them). Both systems ended up with the same 15k drives, but one was all U320 (drives, cables, and controller -- I got a good package deal through a supplier for my then employer at actually below wholesale because of some stuff I was doing for them) while the other (then my backup and now my current machine, soon to be replaced) had the U160 controller and cables I got through eBay.

The U320 configured system always just seemed a little "snappier", for lack of a better term, when manipulating large files. I never bothered to benchmark the machines, but I always tended to use the U320 system more than the one containing the U160 controller when I had the choice.

Unfortunately, I had a slight case of electrical storm last year which ended up toasting the U320 configured system through the DSL modem (ironically, the only thing on the whole computer to survive was the SCSI drive -- I installed it in my brother's CAD machine -- everything else connected to the motherboard went bye-bye, and I cried.....).

The U160 setup I have now works just fine (I'll probably transfer it to my new computer until I can afford to purchase a larger drive or two and maybe a used RAID card), and truth told, I couldn't really justify spending the money to replace my prior hardware (I stopped being as vain about things about that once I had to start paying off my student loans ). Generally, I tell folks who ask me to just stick to the U160 stuff simply because it isn't really worth the price differential for most things they'd use it for.

Granted, the difference may have just been in my mind. It also could have been that the other system had a better driver, or the controller was just more efficient. I don't know, other than the fact that it just seemed a little faster.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Most Ultra320 drives are backwards compatible with Ultra160 controllers, so you can use either. However, U320 will be a little faster if you have an U320 controller, U320 cable, and U320 drive (though, in real life, you probably won't notice the difference).

really? how would you quantify it? in my experience the 32 bit pci slot is the bottleneck, where is a full u320 setup faster? seek? it can't be burst or str because you are tapped out with a single 15k.5 or basically any 15k in a raid0 array, the only place i could see a difference is if you had quite a drives on a single card. could you please explain?

Nothing really scientific. I previously had two identical Dell systems (400SCs) that I purchased a few years ago (one was supposed to be a gift, but due to a convoluted and really not relevant story I ended up keeping both of them). Both systems ended up with the same 15k drives, but one was all U320 (drives, cables, and controller -- I got a good package deal through a supplier for my then employer at actually below wholesale because of some stuff I was doing for them) while the other (then my backup and now my current machine, soon to be replaced) had the U160 controller and cables I got through eBay.

The U320 configured system always just seemed a little "snappier", for lack of a better term, when manipulating large files. I never bothered to benchmark the machines, but I always tended to use the U320 system more than the one containing the U160 controller when I had the choice.

Unfortunately, I had a slight case of electrical storm last year which ended up toasting the U320 configured system through the DSL modem (ironically, the only thing on the whole computer to survive was the SCSI drive -- I installed it in my brother's CAD machine -- everything else connected to the motherboard went bye-bye, and I cried.....).

The U160 setup I have now works just fine (I'll probably transfer it to my new computer until I can afford to purchase a larger drive or two and maybe a used RAID card), and truth told, I couldn't really justify spending the money to replace my prior hardware (I stopped being as vain about things about that once I had to start paying off my student loans ). Generally, I tell folks who ask me to just stick to the U160 stuff simply because it isn't really worth the price differential for most things they'd use it for.

Granted, the difference may have just been in my mind. It also could have been that the other system had a better driver, or the controller was just more efficient. I don't know, other than the fact that it just seemed a little faster.

i can understand that. with my mas drive i just got yesterday, it replaced another u320 hp/compaq 15k 36GB hdd and the differrence between these to is noticeable in benches (gets ~20MB/s more) and the "snappiness" factor. had i seen the mau for ~$80 i would have picked it up though. oh well, what can you do. don't feel like selling these so this one will be good for some time

 

[Executioner]

I have a question on SCSI. I currently have a SCSI boot drive that has no termination. The cable only has 2 connectors, so I'm thinking that it probably does not require a terminator because of only having 2 connectors.

I also bought the MAU3073NP since I have quite a bit of scsi stuff laying around. I even have the old Plextor SCSI CD drives that I bought back in 1998 and they still work to this day (I wish I had a nickel for each disc I burnt). One is the 12x burner and the 40x reader. I have them installed on the LSI 160 card with a Seagate 15k 18 gig Cheetah as my boot drive. I believe the Cheetah is over 5 years old and never has it caused any problems. I have the drive in one of those metal heatsink cases with a very small fan on the front of the case.

 

[bob4432]

the drive itself is probably terminated

 

[Steltek]

I figure that this is probably the Fujitsu product site for this drive, including the user guides:

MAS3367NC

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek
I figure that this is probably the Fujitsu product site for this drive, including the user guides:

MAS3367NC

yes

 

[Steltek]

Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek
Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

congrats on the hdd and also no probs on the cncguns in the sig . did you read his tutorial about completing an 80% lower? are you guys going from a 0% or 80% lower? that is messed up w/ your local ffl holders, real messed up. what are they charging for a stripped lower in your neck of the woods?

he is meticulous, i am sure you will be happy w/ the jig. definitely post some pics when you get it all set up.

 

[Steltek]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

congrats on the hdd and also no probs on the cncguns in the sig . did you read his tutorial about completing an 80% lower? are you guys going from a 0% or 80% lower? that is messed up w/ your local ffl holders, real messed up. what are they charging for a stripped lower in your neck of the woods?

he is meticulous, i am sure you will be happy w/ the jig. definitely post some pics when you get it all set up.

We'd probably go with the 80% lower to start - the tutorial seems really nice. My brother builds steel mills for a living, so he ought to be able to handle drilling a few holes on my Delta drill press. As my interest was peaked, I looked around on google and found a interesting web page concerning use of Grizzly's $500 mini-mill in gunsmithing (www.roderuscustom.tzo.com). Who knows, I might pick up a new hobby down the road if it all works out - I had never considered the availability of so many different types of 80% firearm projects.

I haven't purchased a lower in quite a while. My brother told me the last time he tried to buy a stripped lower locally that they wanted almost twice what he eventually ended up paying at a gun show for a new stripped Bushmaster. Once or twice I've toyed with the thought of getting an FFL just to brass off the local guys -- the only thing that stops me is the thought of more government paperwork (I work for the federal gov, so the thought of voluntarily agreeing to do more useless government paperwork totally discourages me every time...).

Again, thanks.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

congrats on the hdd and also no probs on the cncguns in the sig . did you read his tutorial about completing an 80% lower? are you guys going from a 0% or 80% lower? that is messed up w/ your local ffl holders, real messed up. what are they charging for a stripped lower in your neck of the woods?

he is meticulous, i am sure you will be happy w/ the jig. definitely post some pics when you get it all set up.

We'd probably go with the 80% lower to start - the tutorial seems really nice. My brother builds steel mills for a living, so he ought to be able to handle drilling a few holes on my Delta drill press. As my interest was peaked, I looked around on google and found a interesting web page concerning use of Grizzly's $500 mini-mill in gunsmithing (www.roderuscustom.tzo.com). Who knows, I might pick up a new hobby down the road if it all works out - I had never considered the availability of so many different types of 80% firearm projects.

I haven't purchased a lower in quite a while. My brother told me the last time he tried to buy a stripped lower locally that they wanted almost twice what he eventually ended up paying at a gun show for a new stripped Bushmaster. Once or twice I've toyed with the thought of getting an FFL just to brass off the local guys -- the only thing that stops me is the thought of more government paperwork (I work for the federal gov, so the thought of voluntarily agreeing to do more useless government paperwork totally discourages me every time...).

Again, thanks.

no probs and glad to hear your project, an 80% sounds really good. i know when i read it i was like, "really" figured it would be harder, but nope, that jig is well thought out.

i have also seen some of the projects when converting over one of the mini-mills to cnc, pretty cool projects if you live where your info states, you may also look into building a sound suppressor if you have access to a lathe - pistol caliber usually only need something like 6061 T6 aluminum for the bulk of it and possibly a stainless piece where it would thread onto the barrel and be the blast chamber - again, another thing that can be done w/ a $200 atf stamp . i am personally contemplating whether or not to do just that....just a bit weary of the govt, but i guess in reality there is no reason to be weary as long as you are not right when the govt is wrong, haha

good luck and definitely let me know how it goes. have you checked out his forum? a lot of buzz currently w/ the AR45s - ar15 style, 45ACP, grease gun mags - what else could you ask for those, imho would have a ton of potential since people love the 45 round over th 9mm for the most part, plus it is already subsonic , haha, if you should go that route too

 

[Steltek]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

congrats on the hdd and also no probs on the cncguns in the sig . did you read his tutorial about completing an 80% lower? are you guys going from a 0% or 80% lower? that is messed up w/ your local ffl holders, real messed up. what are they charging for a stripped lower in your neck of the woods?

he is meticulous, i am sure you will be happy w/ the jig. definitely post some pics when you get it all set up.

We'd probably go with the 80% lower to start - the tutorial seems really nice. My brother builds steel mills for a living, so he ought to be able to handle drilling a few holes on my Delta drill press. As my interest was peaked, I looked around on google and found a interesting web page concerning use of Grizzly's $500 mini-mill in gunsmithing (www.roderuscustom.tzo.com). Who knows, I might pick up a new hobby down the road if it all works out - I had never considered the availability of so many different types of 80% firearm projects.

I haven't purchased a lower in quite a while. My brother told me the last time he tried to buy a stripped lower locally that they wanted almost twice what he eventually ended up paying at a gun show for a new stripped Bushmaster. Once or twice I've toyed with the thought of getting an FFL just to brass off the local guys -- the only thing that stops me is the thought of more government paperwork (I work for the federal gov, so the thought of voluntarily agreeing to do more useless government paperwork totally discourages me every time...).

Again, thanks.

no probs and glad to hear your project, an 80% sounds really good. i know when i read it i was like, "really" figured it would be harder, but nope, that jig is well thought out.

i have also seen some of the projects when converting over one of the mini-mills to cnc, pretty cool projects if you live where your info states, you may also look into building a sound suppressor if you have access to a lathe - pistol caliber usually only need something like 6061 T6 aluminum for the bulk of it and possibly a stainless piece where it would thread onto the barrel and be the blast chamber - again, another thing that can be done w/ a $200 atf stamp . i am personally contemplating whether or not to do just that....just a bit weary of the govt, but i guess in reality there is no reason to be weary as long as you are not right when the govt is wrong, haha

good luck and definitely let me know how it goes. have you checked out his forum? a lot of buzz currently w/ the AR45s - ar15 style, 45ACP, grease gun mags - what else could you ask for those, imho would have a ton of potential since people love the 45 round over th 9mm for the most part, plus it is already subsonic , haha, if you should go that route too

I've got to be really careful on the legal end, because I don't want to loose my job over my hobby (and even an arrest with no conviction would be enough to do it because of what I do).

At one point, my brother had a 9mm M-16 upper with a 30 shot mag that worked well with our AR-15 lowers. It was fun to shoot and the ammo was cheap, but he eventually traded it off because magazine handling was a pain (it sometimes had a tendency to not feed properly due to the mag well conversion, and we weren't able to locate a source for additional magazines -- they were some sort of weird Sten mag conversion as best as we could tell). Plus, it obviously wasn't legal being an M-16 upper with threaded barrel, bayonet lug, and mated to a (then) post-ban AR-15 lower.

I came close to buying a legal Oly .45ACP upper to replace it, but wasn't sure about the issue of available affordable and useful magazines (who the heck wants 10 shot mags on an AR-15???) so I didn't.

I'll have to do a little more research on the topic of mini-mill to CNC conversion. That sounds like a very interesting topic, and one I hadn't considered as being possible....

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Steltek
Thanks yuchai for the find on the Fuji MAU3073NP drive at Hypermicro.

Well, I just thought and thought about that drive off and on all day. Finally, I checked and saw they only had 5 left and couldn't resist ordering one. I made a deal with myself: I could order one, but not the two I really wanted. If I'd have bought two, it would have been far too tempting to splurge on a PCI-x RAID card I really can't justify. You know, it is times like these you realize that being a responsible adult sure sucks..... .


bob4432,

BTW, thanks for the link to CNCGuns in your signature!

Their lower receiver jig looks like a really neat piece of equipment. I plan to purchase one together with a receiver forging for my brother as a Christmas present (we already have an AR-10 and a couple of AR-15s, so it will be interesting to see if we can build out a complete lower receiver ourselves. The few local FFL'd dealers in the local area won't transfer a lower receiver they didn't sell themselves, and they don't sell cheap. If this works out, it will be nice to have a few new toys to play around with without having to drive two hours to get to the next decent gun show).

congrats on the hdd and also no probs on the cncguns in the sig . did you read his tutorial about completing an 80% lower? are you guys going from a 0% or 80% lower? that is messed up w/ your local ffl holders, real messed up. what are they charging for a stripped lower in your neck of the woods?

he is meticulous, i am sure you will be happy w/ the jig. definitely post some pics when you get it all set up.

We'd probably go with the 80% lower to start - the tutorial seems really nice. My brother builds steel mills for a living, so he ought to be able to handle drilling a few holes on my Delta drill press. As my interest was peaked, I looked around on google and found a interesting web page concerning use of Grizzly's $500 mini-mill in gunsmithing (www.roderuscustom.tzo.com). Who knows, I might pick up a new hobby down the road if it all works out - I had never considered the availability of so many different types of 80% firearm projects.

I haven't purchased a lower in quite a while. My brother told me the last time he tried to buy a stripped lower locally that they wanted almost twice what he eventually ended up paying at a gun show for a new stripped Bushmaster. Once or twice I've toyed with the thought of getting an FFL just to brass off the local guys -- the only thing that stops me is the thought of more government paperwork (I work for the federal gov, so the thought of voluntarily agreeing to do more useless government paperwork totally discourages me every time...).

Again, thanks.

no probs and glad to hear your project, an 80% sounds really good. i know when i read it i was like, "really" figured it would be harder, but nope, that jig is well thought out.

i have also seen some of the projects when converting over one of the mini-mills to cnc, pretty cool projects if you live where your info states, you may also look into building a sound suppressor if you have access to a lathe - pistol caliber usually only need something like 6061 T6 aluminum for the bulk of it and possibly a stainless piece where it would thread onto the barrel and be the blast chamber - again, another thing that can be done w/ a $200 atf stamp . i am personally contemplating whether or not to do just that....just a bit weary of the govt, but i guess in reality there is no reason to be weary as long as you are not right when the govt is wrong, haha

good luck and definitely let me know how it goes. have you checked out his forum? a lot of buzz currently w/ the AR45s - ar15 style, 45ACP, grease gun mags - what else could you ask for those, imho would have a ton of potential since people love the 45 round over th 9mm for the most part, plus it is already subsonic , haha, if you should go that route too

I've got to be really careful on the legal end, because I don't want to loose my job over my hobby (and even an arrest with no conviction would be enough to do it because of what I do).

At one point, my brother had a 9mm M-16 upper with a 30 shot mag that worked well with our AR-15 lowers. It was fun to shoot and the ammo was cheap, but he eventually traded it off because magazine handling was a pain (it sometimes had a tendency to not feed properly due to the mag well conversion, and we weren't able to locate a source for additional magazines -- they were some sort of weird Sten mag conversion as best as we could tell). Plus, it obviously wasn't legal being an M-16 upper with threaded barrel, bayonet lug, and mated to a (then) post-ban AR-15 lower.

I came close to buying a legal Oly .45ACP upper to replace it, but wasn't sure about the issue of available affordable and useful magazines (who the heck wants 10 shot mags on an AR-15???) so I didn't.

I'll have to do a little more research on the topic of mini-mill to CNC conversion. That sounds like a very interesting topic, and one I hadn't considered as being possible....

your info says you are in AR, so that is what i am going off of, and AR is a pretty free state i would never suggest anything illegal, i am in AZ another free state and everything i suggested is perfectly legal.

the main issue is the actual lower, which is the actual part that is the registered firearm, that is why you can, depending on state buy uppers and have them ship them in the mail but not the lower receiver, that part and that part only has to go to a ffl, you can buy lower parts kits, stocks, etc but just not the stripped lower without the ffl transfer - it the registered part. to the best of my knowledge putting a m16 upper on a ar15 lower is a ar15, there a couple different parts in the upper, but the fire control parts in the lower are what make it an ar15, and not a f/a, nfa item. if you want a f/a lower you can own them but then you need to buy the pre 1986 units (that is why a real m16 will run you $15K easy, hell even pre '86 mac10s are $5K)

same w/ sound suppresors in a lot of states - you can build/buy one after you get the $200 tax atf/nfa stamp which usually takes ~3-4mos of a background check and local leo sign off, so again, perfectly legal after the paperwork is filled out.

the oly uppers use to need a modified uzi mag since they were 45ACP (but i believe they are completely out now so if you want a 45 ar, then the cncguns 45 lower is the best option out there - full cnc machined from billet 60601 T6 aluminum), i think the sten mags are used in the 9mm due to the smaller size, what cncguns did was make a dedicated lower that uses all ar15 parts w/ one exception and that is the magwell is designed for a different mag (obviously - the grease gun mag) and then the mag release is different, other than that all ar15 parts - it is designed to use the good ol grease gun mags - 30rnds and these are pretty easy to find for ~$20/ - the ones i picked up were circa 1967 but all wrapped up for long term storage

again, verify w/ what state you are in, but i am pretty sure AR is a pretty free state if that is where you are from and you can have a lot of fun. trust me, i wouldn't suggest anything illegal on a public forum

 

[Steltek]

I came across this a little while ago. It is surely a mistake, but who knows -- it might be a system pull?

Buy.com - 147.1GB Ultra320 80 pin SCA 2 - 8E147J0 -- $83.26 shipped.

If I'd have seen this before I ordered the Fuji from Hypermicro, I might have given it a shot just for the heck of it to see what I ended up receiving.



bob4432:
I'll definitely consider what you told me about the sound suppressor -- I don't doubt that I could get a sign off from our local city police chief, but the county folks would be a whole different ball game. Anyway, it will be a moot point until later in the year as I have to get some other current and more pressing projects completed. My brother is also out of state building a steel mill, and the gun stuff just isn't as much fun without him around.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek
I came across this a little while ago. It is surely a mistake, but who knows -- it might be a system pull?

Buy.com - 147.1GB Ultra320 80 pin SCA 2 - 8E147J0 -- $83.26 shipped.

If I'd have seen this before I ordered the Fuji from Hypermicro, I might have given it a shot just for the heck of it to see what I ended up receiving.



bob4432:
I'll definitely consider what you told me about the sound suppressor -- I don't doubt that I could get a sign off from our local city police chief, but the county folks would be a whole different ball game. Anyway, it will be a moot point until later in the year as I have to get some other current and more pressing projects completed. My brother is also out of state building a steel mill, and the gun stuff just isn't as much fun without him around.

good find and i hear what you are saying, just wanted to let people know it is, in quite a few states perfectly legal after the correct paperwork has been filed through the atf . just remember in real life sound suppressors are nowhwere near movie quiet, so don't expect that from any design as i think there is only 1 "hearing safe" 45 suppressor, but i am not even sure if it in production or kind of in a "beta" phase. in real life you are still talking a 120-135DB sound, but compared to 160-nearly 170DB, it is quite a reduction, but nowhwere near the movie stuff of pooof, pooof, hell the action is louder than that, haha. enjoy and again, nice find on that hdd

 

[intogamer]

Wow is the 147GB any good?

5Year warrannty... I know that some Maxtors are Seagate rebrands... not sure about SCSI

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: intogamer
Wow is the 147GB any good?

5Year warrannty... I know that some Maxtors are Seagate rebrands... not sure about SCSI

i just ordered one all the maxtors i have had had have always been true maxtors, same w/ seagate. being a atlas 15k II it seems to be a decent hdd and for the price, you can't beat it - 146GB for ~$80 shipped...DAMN

nice find Steltek

 

[Steltek]

On the IDE/SATA side, Seagate has begun rebagging their own drives under Maxtor model names (i.e. buy a Maxtor drive, what is actually in the box is a relabeled, reduced warranty Seagate drive). I suspect that, eventually, Maxtor will be either relegated to either "value" status or will be totally eliminated as a brand.

On the SCSI side, I never read anything stating that Seagate would continue production of the Atlas line (one of their big competitiors). Of course, they were had a major slice of the SCSI world with the Cheetah line of drives. By acquiring Maxtor and eliminating the Atlas (a major competitor, both business and performance wise), they eliminated a whole segment of their competition.

bob4432, hope it works out and you get a brand new drive sold by someone who just doesn't have a clue about what they are selling. Let me know how it turns out.

I'm tempted to order myself, but I'd have to delay the purchase of a new case or processor for my new computer (Microcenter has a boxed E6750 for $189.99, while Frys.com has the Antec P180B case for $79.99 plus shipping after rebate right now and I'm really seriously considering getting one -- the drive cage is compartmented in the bottom of the case with the power supply and has its own fan. It seems that it would thus be perfect for a couple of SCSI drives as the heat they generate would be kept mostly separate from the motherboard compartment).

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Steltek
On the IDE/SATA side, Seagate has begun rebagging their own drives under Maxtor model names (i.e. buy a Maxtor drive, what is actually in the box is a relabeled, reduced warranty Seagate drive). I suspect that, eventually, Maxtor will be either relegated to either "value" status or will be totally eliminated as a brand.

On the SCSI side, I never read anything stating that Seagate would continue production of the Atlas line (one of their big competitiors). Of course, they were had a major slice of the SCSI world with the Cheetah line of drives. By acquiring Maxtor and eliminating the Atlas (a major competitor, both business and performance wise), they eliminated a whole segment of their competition.

bob4432, hope it works out and you get a brand new drive sold by someone who just doesn't have a clue about what they are selling. Let me know how it turns out.

I'm tempted to order myself, but I'd have to delay the purchase of a new case or processor for my new computer (Microcenter has a boxed E6750 for $189.99, while Frys.com has the Antec P180B case for $79.99 plus shipping after rebate right now and I'm really seriously considering getting one -- the drive cage is compartmented in the bottom of the case with the power supply and has its own fan. It seems that it would thus be perfect for a couple of SCSI drives as the heat they generate would be kept mostly separate from the motherboard compartment).

i will let you know. i know a lot of these places are lot sales so who knows, maybe somebody just needs to make a few $$$ quick. or they may just be old stock since maxtor was taken over by seagate and everybody going 2.5" sas.

i still use an old antec case that has the cages w/ fans in them and imho that is a must like you say - definitely need active cooling

 

[caboob]

Originally posted by: yuchai
Alternative:
http://www.hypermicro.com/prod...J3073RA&dept_id=06-005

MAU3073NP

About $80 shipped. Has double the capacity and is 68-pin.

Got mine in. Nice find. Thanks

 

[Steltek]

Originally posted by: caboob

Originally posted by: yuchai
Alternative:
http://www.hypermicro.com/prod...J3073RA&dept_id=06-005

MAU3073NP

About $80 shipped. Has double the capacity and is 68-pin.

Got mine in. Nice find. Thanks

Me too. They replaced the drive labeling with a 3rd party label, but the casing and electronics look excellent -- no scratching or scuffing anywhere.

I'm satisfied.

 

[bob4432]

i got confirmation that the 147GB one from buy.com was sent to the warehouse, will see how it goes from there....

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: intogamer
Wow is the 147GB any good?

5Year warrannty... I know that some Maxtors are Seagate rebrands... not sure about SCSI

The Atlas name is actually run Quantum

Maxtor bought Quantum.

Seagate bought Maxtor.

I used to have (2) 36GB Ultra 160 Quantums back in 2000-2001. They were solid drives and I was happy with them.

All Maxtor products are ultimately going to become Seagate drives. A lot of people got in on the Fry's deal for the 320GB Maxtor drives that were actually 7000.10 Seagate drives (I got 4 myself)

This is an excellent deal for the size and speed.

 

[Loop2kil]

In for 2...we'll see how it goes...got an LSI raid card with 256 mb cache sitting in a drawer collecting dust, so this will give it something to do