Pretty good deal for a person that needs to have a Geforce4 but doesn't wanna spend the extra $40 on the Ti4400 (which I'm opting to do and hopefully getting it to around the default speeds of the 4600). But if you need great performance at a great price right now, this is the way to go, especially from a good manufacturer like Gainward. Funny thing is though, on their website, they list the 650 as the Geforce4MX 460. Ah oh well, thanks for the post and welcome to the forums.