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cparent

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A lesson that I learned in life: people will make any excuse to justify their purchases. Even when faced with facts.

Fact:This thread is about GM warrantys.
Fact:GM holds 2 of the top 5 in initial quality
Fact:GM holds 2 of the top 5 in vehicle dependabilty

If you want to buy a foreign car, then buy a foreign car. Ignore quality facts. Ignore that we're building hybrid and flexfuel cars. but don't go making things up to justify your purchase. Just buy your product and move on.

it's a good thing that GM raised it's warrantys. it helps all consumers in 1 way or another. Dont go and muddy the waters because you have it out for an american company.
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: cparent
A lesson that I learned in life: people will make any excuse to justify their purchases. Even when faced with facts.

Fact:This thread is about GM warrantys.
Fact:GM holds 2 of the top 5 in initial quality
Fact:GM holds 2 of the top 5 in vehicle dependabilty

If you want to buy a foreign car, then buy a foreign car. Ignore quality facts. Ignore that we're building hybrid and flexfuel cars. but don't go making things up to justify your purchase. Just buy your product and move on.

it's a good thing that GM raised it's warrantys. it helps all consumers in 1 way or another. Dont go and muddy the waters because you have it out for an american company.

Wow..do you work for GM..taking it too personal

The US automakers..not just GM, continue to miss the mark....if GM was so good why is Toyota poised to takeover the No.1 spot in auto sales

GM and Ford are in serious financial trouble....this is very sad, but management sticks its head in the sand about too many issues...quality, types of vehicles they make, poor buisness decision that are a repeat of 20yrs..... I would love to buy American but not when IMHO(not yours or anyone elses), they make a product not up to my expectations

I looked at the Chrysler minivan(nothing GM made met my wife's needs..not close) but compared to Toyota and Nissan there was no comparison....not to mention how sleazy the dealer was, I know not all are this way but too many are(this can be true for any automaker)
 

cparent

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is there a reason you keep mentioning quality issues with GM cars even after link provdided proves otherwise? I honestly can't see whyd you say this other than you work for a foreign car company or hate the American car companies. Maybe the truth is starting to surface?
 

vadp

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FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion

Explain that!!!
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: cparent
is there a reason you keep mentioning quality issues with GM cars even after link provdided proves otherwise? I honestly can't see whyd you say this other than you work for a foreign car company or hate the American car companies. Maybe the truth is starting to surface?

My personal experience with US cars...Topaz pure junk...AC never worked, ate oil pumps...

85 corvette ..loved this car..it blew an engine(my sister was driving it not sure excatly what occurred) ..I owned for 85-92 with 70K

74 Chevy caprice...really big car but not very good....

Sorry..2 GM brands in the top does not mean the majority of there cars are top quality...how many Buicks and Cadillac do they sell.....(JD powers initial quality stuff is stupid..90 days...the other long term dependabiltiy is nice to see but GM as a brand is not listed....)

C'mon do really believe there quality is top-notch?

I do not work for a foreign car company or do I hate US automakers..I feel bad for these companies as the american auto worker is suffering..although the unions maybe to blame for some of these issues...but that is another discussion

It is bad for america IMHO that GM, Ford, Chyrsler are perceived and produce the products they do....I ewould love to see the Detroit 3 turn it around and make a the best cars in the world...I hate that Toyota is more the model automaker

Clearly, you and I can agree to disagree on this issue.
 

Calgar99

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Originally posted by: cparent
If you want to buy a foreign car, then buy a foreign car. Ignore quality facts. Ignore that we're building hybrid and flexfuel cars. but don't go making things up to justify your purchase. Just buy your product and move on.

I just thought I'd like to remind you that Toyota is providing the technology to many US carmakers for the hybrid and flexfuel technology.

-Matt
(Still probably the only one laughing about Duramax, Cummins, Power Stroke...)
 

cparent

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Originally posted by: vadp
FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion

Explain that!!!

Sure. GM puts more quality and expense into it's cars than Toyota which is why GM has 2 of the 5 spots in quality. Therefore causing a loss instead of a profit for the year 2005.


Stupid question = stupid answer.

/sarcasm off


This threads getting off track and I refuse to add to it any more.


I'm finishing with this:

I dont own a car from or work for GM in any way. I am however an American. One with pride in my country and it's products. I understand that by hate mongering incorrectly on American products means wishing for the downfall of said companies and in turn this country. With roughly 1 out of 15 Americans working in the automotive field or an automotive service or a related company, I realize that heaven forbid our companies go down, so does everything else here. Loss of auto jobs means the entire country hurts and we all go down whether you work in automototive or not. We lost the quality war back in the 80's and 90's and now have the title back again. Competition was a good thing for the consumer. But when I cant buy a television or microwave or other product made in the USA anymore, I'll do everything I can to keep America going.
 

cparent

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Originally posted by: Calgar99
Originally posted by: cparent
If you want to buy a foreign car, then buy a foreign car. Ignore quality facts. Ignore that we're building hybrid and flexfuel cars. but don't go making things up to justify your purchase. Just buy your product and move on.

I just thought I'd like to remind you that Toyota is providing the technology to many US carmakers for the hybrid and flexfuel technology.

-Matt
(Still probably the only one laughing about Duramax, Cummins, Power Stroke...)


that may be, I dont know. however, who taught toyota what a car is and how to make it in the first place
 

vadp

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cparent,
You like to talk about facts.
Any comments on GM's losses and Japanese companys profits?
 

nealh

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I'm finishing with this:

I dont own a car from or work for GM in any way. I am however an American. One with pride in my country and it's products. I understand that by hate mongering incorrectly on American products means wishing for the downfall of said companies and in turn this country. With roughly 1 out of 15 Americans working in the automotive field or an automotive service or a related company, I realize that heaven forbid our companies go down, so does everything else here. Loss of auto jobs means the entire country hurts and we all go down whether you work in automototive or not. We lost the quality war back in the 80's and 90's and now have the title back again. Competition was a good thing for the consumer. But when I cant buy a television or microwave or other product made in the USA anymore, I'll do everything I can to keep America going.

I agree...
 

markrb38

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Explain that!!![/quote]
I'm finishing with this:

I dont own a car from or work for GM in any way. I am however an American. One with pride in my country and it's products. I understand that by hate mongering incorrectly on American products means wishing for the downfall of said companies and in turn this country. With roughly 1 out of 15 Americans working in the automotive field or an automotive service or a related company, I realize that heaven forbid our companies go down, so does everything else here. Loss of auto jobs means the entire country hurts and we all go down whether you work in automototive or not. We lost the quality war back in the 80's and 90's and now have the title back again. Competition was a good thing for the consumer. But when I cant buy a television or microwave or other product made in the USA anymore, I'll do everything I can to keep America going.[/quote]

Everytime I hear these types of arguments it really gets me. People automatically assume that US name brand cars are made in the US, which is simply not true anymore.
Take this example: The Ford Mustang is %65 made in and with US/Canada made parts. The Toyota Sienna is 90% made in and with US/Canada made parts.
Where is the rest of the Mustang made you ask, low wage earning Mexicans and Koreans.
(Source: September 2006 Playboy)(Yes I do read the articles)

I own a Honda Accord that over %75 of the parts are made in the US.

A very good friend of mine is from Detroit, his Dad and brother both worked for Ford for years and now none of them will touch a so called US made car again. All of their jobs have moved overseas or to Mexico.

Have a look at this map of where Toyota builds most all of it's parts and cars sold in the US:
http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/index.html

The only Honda's I know of that are not built in the US are the Hybrids and they will be coming.

As a blue collar worker I don't care where the top money heads. I am far more concerned with the thousands of jobs created. Why do I care if the President of GMC gets his $5,000,000 bonus. I care about the guy on the line being able to eat in this country.

It's sad that while the US car companies are leaving the Japanese and others, including BMW are coming and making it work.

Don't call me UnAmerican. It's those people taking the jobs and sending them overseas at Ford and GM that UnAmerican.

I am not bashing people for buying GM or Ford, just don't be so righteous when you have no footing.

Mark

BTW I have owned many US cars. My first car was a Pontiac Ventura II, my most fun car was a Chevy Camaro and my most expensive was a Chevy Corvette Convertible.

My most reliable car: My current Honda Accord, no issues 114,000 miles.
My least Reliable car: Corvette, but I expected it going in.
 

strikeab0920

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I've had friends and family with Fords and GM and had nothing but trouble...I stick to the japanese and german made cars here.
 

cparent

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Originally posted by: markrb38
Explain that!!!
I'm finishing with this:

I dont own a car from or work for GM in any way. I am however an American. One with pride in my country and it's products. I understand that by hate mongering incorrectly on American products means wishing for the downfall of said companies and in turn this country. With roughly 1 out of 15 Americans working in the automotive field or an automotive service or a related company, I realize that heaven forbid our companies go down, so does everything else here. Loss of auto jobs means the entire country hurts and we all go down whether you work in automototive or not. We lost the quality war back in the 80's and 90's and now have the title back again. Competition was a good thing for the consumer. But when I cant buy a television or microwave or other product made in the USA anymore, I'll do everything I can to keep America going.[/quote]

Everytime I hear these types of arguments it really gets me. People automatically assume that US name brand cars are made in the US, which is simply not true anymore.
Take this example: The Ford Mustang is %65 made in and with US/Canada made parts. The Toyota Sienna is 90% made in and with US/Canada made parts.
Where is the rest of the Mustang made you ask, low wage earning Mexicans and Koreans.
(Source: September 2006 Playboy)(Yes I do read the articles)

I own a Honda Accord that over %75 of the parts are made in the US.

A very good friend of mine is from Detroit, his Dad and brother both worked for Ford for years and now none of them will touch a so called US made car again. All of their jobs have moved overseas or to Mexico.

Have a look at this map of where Toyota builds most all of it's parts and cars sold in the US:
http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/index.html

The only Honda's I know of that are not built in the US are the Hybrids and they will be coming.

As a blue collar worker I don't care where the top money heads. I am far more concerned with the thousands of jobs created. Why do I care if the President of GMC gets his $5,000,000 bonus. I care about the guy on the line being able to eat in this country.

It's sad that while the US car companies are leaving the Japanese and others, including BMW are coming and making it work.

Don't call me UnAmerican. It's those people taking the jobs and sending them overseas at Ford and GM that UnAmerican.

I am not bashing people for buying GM or Ford, just don't be so righteous when you have no footing.

Mark

BTW I have owned many US cars. My first car was a Pontiac Ventura II, my most fun car was a Chevy Camaro and my most expensive was a Chevy Corvette Convertible.

My most reliable car: My current Honda Accord, no issues 114,000 miles.
My least Reliable car: Corvette, but I expected it going in.
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Honda employs 25,000 people in the U.S.
Toyota employs 29,000 people in the U.S.

GM has 300,000 employees in the U.S.
Ford 400,000

Tell me where your car is made again? Tell me where your money goes when you buy cars again? Explain to me how your honda is better for America than a GM or Ford. Explain to me why GM has 2 cars in the top 5 for vehicle dependability and honda has 0.
 

feelingshorter

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Weird that GM is even ranked up there. I dont care what JD says. Seems like they give out so many darn awards that every car company can walk away with some award.
Most dependable? Best inital quality test? Best Subcompact, Best Compact, Best Compact Sport, Best Luxury Compact Sport, Best Luxury Sport, Best Entry Luxury, Best Luxury Midsize? List goes on but i'm not going to add to it. JD makes money that way. They let car companies use that as advertisment in exchange for $ and counsel on how to make their cars better. I wouldnt trust everything they say anyways.

The fact that Toyota/Honda is doing better than GM/Ford is self evidence. Why would millions buy Toyotas if GM was so good as you say? Why buy a toyota truck and not a ford? Ever watch Top Gear? They say toyota trucks are one of the BEST and most rugged. Anyone who watches that show knows that they make fun of Fords breaking down all the time. Quality parts doesnt mean quality design. Thats like using quality ingredients to make up for the lack of cooking skill? Whats even more weird is that Fords in Europe are actually good cars.

Why are poeple even fighting over this? What we debate here doesnt change the fact that Americans trust Toyota/GM more and that shows in sales.
 

cparent

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FYI: Ford trucks outsell Toyota trucks.

actually, to paint a bigger picture, Ford trucks outsell any vehicle made. period.
 

vadp

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Originally posted by: cparent
Originally posted by: vadp
FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion

Explain that!!!

Sure. GM puts more quality and expense into it's cars than Toyota which is why GM has 2 of the 5 spots in quality. Therefore causing a loss instead of a profit for the year 2005.


Stupid question = stupid answer.

/sarcasm off
You're definately right about the answer.
One more thing.
Toyota will increase research spending more than 10 percent this year to $8.4 billion.
Probably just to keep up with GM, that must be outspending Toyota big time on quality improvements.:laugh:
 

Calgar99

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Originally posted by: cparent
Tell me where your car is made again? Tell me where your money goes when you buy cars again? Explain to me how your honda is better for America than a GM or Ford. Explain to me why GM has 2 cars in the top 5 for vehicle dependability and honda has 0.
Father's '91 Accord: 251,000 mi, no major problems, still on the road
Mother's '98 Accord: 140,000 mi, no major problems, still on the road
My '06 Accord: 12,000 mi, well, no car should have problems at that age

Father's '97 Dodge Caravan: 190,000 mi, rebuilt engine, new tranny, way too many tires, brakes, tie rods, shocks, struts, etc.
Wife's '03 Chevy Tracker: 80,000 mi, no major problems BUT way too many tires, brakes, shocks, struts, etc.

I believe Consumer Reports actually indicated all of this about these models, too.

-Matt
 

MrX8503

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Originally posted by: cparent
Originally posted by: vadp
FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion

Explain that!!!

Sure. GM puts more quality and expense into it's cars than Toyota which is why GM has 2 of the 5 spots in quality. Therefore causing a loss instead of a profit for the year 2005.

Why do people just make up these assumptions? How do you know that GM is at a loss because they put more quality parts into their cars? You dont even know if that is true, do you work for GM?

I'm proud to be an American as i'm sure everyone in this thread are too, but the fact is that foreign cars are more reliable. I searched "most reliable car" through google and all I get are raves about foreign cars, honda this, honda that. Here are some links that came up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7119221/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5657/
http://www.forbes.com/2006/04/20/reliable-vehicles-japanese_cx_dl_0424feat.html
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1bW...n&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13&client=firefox-a
http://autoreview.belproject.com/item/200

I'm not saying that American cars are bad, but people who say they are much superior to foreign cars need to wake up.
 

Bekker

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Originally posted by: Mellman
sweet - too bad mazda LOWERED their warranty to 3-36k....that REALLY sucks


This may be an example of what I was talking about when I posted that after being recognized for high quality long warranties are often reduced because the perceived value added by a longer warranry is low as many feel it is not needed badly enough to be included as a factor in deciding which brand to buy. In that case, since consumers won't use it in comparing brands, all the longer warranty does is increase costs for the manufacturer due to added repair costs from the long warranty. The question then is whether to invest in a longer warranty that does little to increase sales or to instead invest that money elsewhere, such as in a better sound system, powers seats/windows, etc. The latter examples would enhance perceived value as they would be used to in comparing brands.
 

vadp

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Agreed.
Mazdas are selling very well, and some Mazdas - so well (the Mazda3), the dealers can't keep them on the lot long enough to build up an optimal inventory mix.
 

vadp

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Originally posted by: MrX8503
Originally posted by: cparent
Originally posted by: vadp
FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion

Explain that!!!

Sure. GM puts more quality and expense into it's cars than Toyota which is why GM has 2 of the 5 spots in quality. Therefore causing a loss instead of a profit for the year 2005.
Why do people just make up these assumptions? How do you know that GM is at a loss because they put more quality parts into their cars? You dont even know if that is true, do you work for GM?

GM spending more on quality programs than Toyota???
LOL:Q
 

stuartkahler

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cparent:
Ford trucks outsell Toyota trucks

I don't think anyone in this thread has tried to disparage Ford trucks. Everyone knows that Ford's key selling point is the quality of their pickups. Unfortunately, too many people use this fact to justify their purchase of the horrible quality 2WD vehicles that Ford makes.
 
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