Originally posted by: houe
With the warranty you'll be guaranteed to be driving a GM car for a long time which I'm not so sure is a good thing.
lol...the warranty is transferable
Originally posted by: houe
With the warranty you'll be guaranteed to be driving a GM car for a long time which I'm not so sure is a good thing.
Originally posted by: cparent
BTW: I love the anti american car company posters in this thread. They make me laugh. I hope that they dont live in the U.S. or call themselves americans. Like the "fords still in business?" guy. Maybe he hasnt heard but Ford has the number one world wide selling vehicle for the past 20 or so years.
Originally posted by: vadp
Originally posted by: cparent
BTW: I love the anti american car company posters in this thread. They make me laugh. I hope that they dont live in the U.S. or call themselves americans. Like the "fords still in business?" guy. Maybe he hasnt heard but Ford has the number one world wide selling vehicle for the past 20 or so years.
This statement is really laughable.
Just because someone won't buy a crappy domestic product doesn't make him/her unpatriotic.
Quite opposite, people who are bying the inferior product, choosing it over competition on the sole basis of fake patriotism are the ones to blame.
The domestic manufacturers were riding the SUV wave of easy profits for way too long, totally neglecting the car segment.
Plus the neglected plants, out of control Unions, incompetent management.
They have to experience a shock of bankruptcy in order to become lean and mean=competitive again.
The long warranty gimmick won't change the fundamentals.
It will keep the showrooms open for a short while until the novelty factor wears off.
Only the total revamp of their business model will allow them to come back.
If not, the Japanese and Koreans will demolish them on their own turf.
BTW, I drive a Ford.
Originally posted by: vadp
Originally posted by: cparent
BTW: I love the anti american car company posters in this thread. They make me laugh. I hope that they dont live in the U.S. or call themselves americans. Like the "fords still in business?" guy. Maybe he hasnt heard but Ford has the number one world wide selling vehicle for the past 20 or so years.
This statement is really laughable.
Just because someone won't buy a crappy domestic product doesn't make him/her unpatriotic.
Quite opposite, people who are bying the inferior product, choosing it over competition on the sole basis of fake patriotism are the ones to blame.
The domestic manufacturers were riding the SUV wave of easy profits for way too long, totally neglecting the car segment.
Add to this the neglected plants, totally out of control Unions, and incompetent management.
They have to experience a shock of bankruptcy in order to become lean and mean=competitive again.
The long warranty gimmick won't change the fundamentals.
It will keep the showrooms open for a short while until the novelty factor wears off.
Only the total revamp of their business model will allow them to come back.
If not, the Japanese and Koreans will demolish them on their own turf.
BTW, I drive a Ford.
Originally posted by: cparent
Originally posted by: vadp
Originally posted by: cparent
BTW: I love the anti american car company posters in this thread. They make me laugh. I hope that they dont live in the U.S. or call themselves americans. Like the "fords still in business?" guy. Maybe he hasnt heard but Ford has the number one world wide selling vehicle for the past 20 or so years.
This statement is really laughable.
Just because someone won't buy a crappy domestic product doesn't make him/her unpatriotic.
Quite opposite, people who are bying the inferior product, choosing it over competition on the sole basis of fake patriotism are the ones to blame.
The domestic manufacturers were riding the SUV wave of easy profits for way too long, totally neglecting the car segment.
Plus the neglected plants, out of control Unions, incompetent management.
They have to experience a shock of bankruptcy in order to become lean and mean=competitive again.
The long warranty gimmick won't change the fundamentals.
It will keep the showrooms open for a short while until the novelty factor wears off.
Only the total revamp of their business model will allow them to come back.
If not, the Japanese and Koreans will demolish them on their own turf.
BTW, I drive a Ford.
I'm not about to get into it with you, because I dont deal with people like you and this isnt the forum to do so. however.
Crappy domestic? Go check JD power. Americans make higher quality products than anyone including the japanese, aside from lexus. you lose.
neglecting the car market? proof? I have proof that we build better cars. Faster cars. More reliable cars. what do you have besides words?
Plus the neglected plants, out of control Unions, incompetent management???!!! proof? How about you THANK those unions for YOUR benefits seeing that that's what unions do. thank them for YOUR pay. YOUR vacations. be you in a union or not. know your history, pal.
fake patriotism???!!! - Ford alone employs 400,000 people in the U.S. How many people does honda or toyota employ? How much do they get paid here? How much of that money is being spent here in the U.S. as opposed to japan?
Try educating yourself. I have.
Proof?Originally posted by: cparent
Crappy domestic? Go check JD power. Americans make higher quality products than anyone including the japanese, aside from lexus. you lose.
neglecting the car market? proof? I have proof that we build better cars. Faster cars. More reliable cars. what do you have besides words?
Plus the neglected plants, out of control Unions, incompetent management???!!! proof?
The new guy doesn't look too promising though.Originally posted by: Fiebre
Ford's management has been some of the worst I have seen. Namely Ford himself. He has just stepped down. Now that he is done playing around with the company I believe that they might have a chance to set themselves right. New guy is from Boeing and one of the key players in their success.
Originally posted by: vadp
The new guy doesn't look too promising though.Originally posted by: Fiebre
Ford's management has been some of the worst I have seen. Namely Ford himself. He has just stepped down. Now that he is done playing around with the company I believe that they might have a chance to set themselves right. New guy is from Boeing and one of the key players in their success.
Here is a good article that provides an interesting scoop on the former Boeing excecutive.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2200
Most manufacturers have a solid Powertrain warranty the fact GM extended shows nothing with regards to their qulaity and to me is still gimmicky..does that mean having it is bad no!Originally posted by: Bekker
3. Idea that extended powertrain only warranty is not worth that much ... on the Aurora, which was GM certified, within 4 months of purchase head gasket blew (many $ repair), followed by rear main seal, radiator, etc. Just recently I had to have the cv joint and alterrnator replaced at a warranty cost of about $1300. On a Caddy I had they thought the oil pan gasket had a leak .. repair cost for that would have been over $2k. If replaced each strut or shock over $500. Transmissions on newer GM trucks are over $4k. Yes, maybe there will be no power train warranties, but get ready to bend over and drop pants if there are any.
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Are you saying you got a new fully loaded EX? Did you actually go to a Toyota dealer and test drive a Sienna? Sienna starts at about $22k. $32k will have you in a DVD, Nav system, leather, moonroof, power everything. I've tested new and used of both. Comparing them is like putting a Taurus up against a BMW 5 series. Yeah, if you're tight on cash, the Taurus is a better deal, but don't act like they're in the same league. New Sedonnas drive like 4-6 year old Siennas. You can buy a 3 year old used Sienna for less than the new Sedonna and have a better performing, more reliable vehicle.My wifes Kia Sedona was half the price of a Toyota of similar setup ($16K to be exact), runs well and goes from A to B with a good warranty.
Originally posted by: nealh
I had a Mercedes..just got rid of it since the quality was more like a US automaker...ML320 was built in the US, it was a 2001 and it was not nearly as well built as my 1991Maxima, 1996 A4 or 2003 530i
ML320 had some computer related issues with the ABS and a ignition tumbler went bad...at 70000 miles...nothing would have been covered by powertrain..the engine was german built and I guess will run for a zillion miles...electrical stuff was US parts and assembly and it did not have same build quality
I hate to say this as I will get creamed, but I look for cars not built in the US..ala 530i and my A4
Even some Japanese cars built i nthe US are not up to same quality as the ones built in Japan, Germany
I do agree when a European car goes bad it costs big $$$ to repair....
Originally posted by: cparent
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/special/powerreport/gm/GM_SPR.pdf
GM 2 of the top 5 in initial quality of ALL car companies.
GM 2 of the top 5 in Vehicle Dependability of ALL car companies.
I bet there's going to be a lot of red faced people here when they read this