Originally posted by: MrX8503
Originally posted by: cparent
Originally posted by: vadp
FACT: for year 2005
GM losses - $10.6 billion
Toyota profits - $12.1 billion
Explain that!!!
Sure. GM puts more quality and expense into it's cars than Toyota which is why GM has 2 of the 5 spots in quality. Therefore causing a loss instead of a profit for the year 2005.
Why do people just make up these assumptions? How do you know that GM is at a loss because they put more quality parts into their cars? You dont even know if that is true, do you work for GM?
I'm proud to be an American as i'm sure everyone in this thread are too, but the fact is that foreign cars are more reliable. I searched "most reliable car" through google and all I get are raves about foreign cars, honda this, honda that. Here are some links that came up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7119221/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5657/
http://www.forbes.com/2006/04/20/reliable-vehicles-japanese_cx_dl_0424feat.html
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1bW...n&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13&client=firefox-a
http://autoreview.belproject.com/item/200
I'm not saying that American cars are bad, but people who say they are much superior to foreign cars need to wake up.
Originally posted by: lbhskier37
Originally posted by: njcoig
It's common knowledge that as a rule of thumb, the longer the warranty a company offers, the shoddier the quality of their products.
Not sure who taught that, but they don't really understand manufacturing much. You can't have a longer warrantee without having a part that lasts longer, unless you don't like making money.
I don't seem to recall any situation where that was true.Originally posted by: zephyrprime
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Originally posted by: cparent
And we suck in quality? are you argueing me or the data provided by JD power and NY Times? Fine if you want to argue with me, but if you want to argue JD powers data and NY times data, save us both time and email them. I can't change their data.
Originally posted by: cparent
Tell me where your car is made again? Tell me where your money goes when you buy cars again? Explain to me how your honda is better for America than a GM or Ford. Explain to me why GM has 2 cars in the top 5 for vehicle dependability and honda has 0.
Originally posted by: LuckyStrike
Why start something like this in Hot Deals?
OTOTOTOTOT
Hey Joe here bout the hot warranty deal I got, yea paid 35000 fo a 25000 car but hey this sucker is covered almost till she is paid for huh?
You quoted out of context, missed the "/sarcasm off" part to answer a stupid question, link ed reports from broken links and sources noone has heard of, and missed the points. let me help you understand.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/autom...2bc0b98&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
NYTimes. Semi reliable source. One people have heard of for sure. 2006 data. not years old. Current. This year as a matter of fact.
Aside from lexus, american companies are leading the way, as I had already stated. Please do not muddy this and make stuff up with broken links and sources noone has heard of. If you want to sum up all of the companies, you can say that Mitsubishi of America, Volkswagen, Nissan of America, Kia, Suzuki, and Porche are the worst car companies for quality. How many of those are japanese and how many are american? How many of those are foreign and how many are american?
http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoin...rean-cars-rise-in-quality-ratings.html
and you still think we need to wake up?
What's important is this. You will notice if you look at todays figures (again please don't muddy this with data from the 80's/90's or years ago as I'll show data from th 60's and 70's where foreign cars didnt last a year) is that almost all American car makers, a few of the top end Japanese car makers, and BMW are all neck and neck in being top in quality. There's not much spread at the top. But the bottom of the pack is a different story. Again, of the top 5 for 2006 in quality, 3 are American car companies; 2 are japanese.
And we suck in quality? are you argueing me or the data provided by JD power and NY Times? Fine if you want to argue with me, but if you want to argue JD powers data and NY times data, save us both time and email them. I can't change their data.
/boggle.
Originally posted by: vadp
It's an act of desperation.
The competition is killing them.
Very few people will be swinged by the powertrain warranty gimmick.
Ford is in the same boat.
Originally posted by: Calgar99
(Still probably the only one laughing about Duramax, Cummins, Power Stroke...)
Originally posted by: nealh
The real problem with cars is trusting them(dealers and repair shops) to fix things right, honestly...my personal feeling is many dealers are just not top notch on the Repair side..I really feel duped every time something needs to be fixed
Originally posted by: tealk
Kia sucks a$$...that's my contribution!
Originally posted by: FranksAndBeans
I think the warranty is great, and this is a very useful post for someone teetering on buying a 2006 model.
People who think this warranty change is "worthless" or a "gimmick" are either just plain retarded or don't understand modern manufacturing variation. Everyone makes a few lemons.