Warning about the MX1000 *Read*

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Written by CAPTAINDUDE on Gotfrag

If you are considering buying the Logitech MX1000, you may want to know this. More and more people are noticing what seems to be a flaw in the MX1000's laser technology. It seems that when you pick up and center the mouse, as most users do, it causes a short delay before you can move it again. Now, to most people, this wouldn't be a problem, but for gamers, that delay can easily mean the difference between life and death. More and more reviewers are changing their reviews because of this. But the MX1000 is still being marketed as if it were a gaming mouse, despite how many people feel this flaw really makes the mouse bad for gaming.

I found a video of someone ("creighton1", from the 3DGPU forums) showing off the delay associated with the MX1000.

First watch him show how the MX700 responds to being picked up and put down: http://3dgpu.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=77
Now, watch him doing the same thing to an MX1000:
http://3dgpu.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=76

I hear that Logitech is planning a wired version of this mouse, that may be similar to MX510, except using Laser technology. I am not sure whether or not the new mouse will fix the problem (unsure if the problem is with the mouse, or the Laser technology altogether).

Whatever the problem is, I would advise against getting the MX1000 if you're a gamer. If you want alternatives, the MX510 is pretty much just as good (unless you have a glass or mirror desk), the upcomming Razer Diamondback looks really good, and perhaps the upcomming Logitech mouse won't have the delay that the MX1000 does. If you really wanna try the MX1000, I suggest you do so without buying it. I hear there are alot of retailers either refusing to refund you, or only giving you partial refunds.

I hope this information may help prevent people from making a bad decision. I'm only posting this because I feel people should know, incase they're considering buying an MX1000. If you are a happy owner of an MX1000 mouse, I ask that you not turn this into a flame war. You can defend your mouse, but keep it civil. One of the main reasons people aren't finding out about this problem is because the people who've spoken up about it are getting flamed by the overzealotous Logitech fanboys who refuse to believe there is anything wrong with their new toy. This is a real problem, and judging by the amount of people who really notice it, a pretty big one. One that cannot be dismissed as just a few defective mice.
 

Cares

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sticky this for a little bit ... i've actually tested and used this mouse and this defect does infact exist ..
 

Reiniku

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there was somethign about a 'pick-up delay' or something that i tried to find before but could not. but this seems different from that and i've never actually tried this. once i get home i'll have a look and try this out on my mouse.

edit: ive been playing cs with this (eww - believe me that tells you just how bored ive been) and i haven't really noticed anything. i probably dont use the mouse the same way as other gamers or something.
 

trickytraka

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probably it does, but I have the sensitivity TOO high and I don't have to do that..

anyway if you have a mouse that is not that sensitive and you LIFT it you do lose time there .... so what's the point??

I played HL2 with the MX1000 and I didn't have the slightest problem! It was PERFECT.
 

Cares

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Lower sensitivity = more accuracy in FPS. How can you possibly control your shots when moving your mouse 1 inch causes you to turn 360 degrees?
 

Reiniku

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by wired version do you mean the mx518 or an actual laser technology wired mouse. since this is a laser mouse eye issue making it wired will not mean a THING... i think
 

Cares

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I didn't write the "article" but that's what I was thinking as well. If it is laser protection or whatever, then what would a wired version change? But who knows. Does your MX1000 do what that video showed?
 

Reiniku

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yeah i typod... i meant 518 fixed. interestingly enough the mx518 is 1600 dpi and still optical while the mx1000 is laser and 800dpi
 

n7

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The lag issue is well known & documented.

However, not all MX1000s have it, only some seem to.

The one i used never had any troubles.
 

Cares

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2 of my friend's have had the same issue. RMA'ed and still had it in their mice. That's when we researched it online to find tons of people having the same problem.

And the wired version of MX1000 is not MX518. 1000 is laser and 518 is basically an upgrade on the MX500.
 

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Originally posted by: n7
The lag issue is well known & documented.

However, not all MX1000s have it, only some seem to.

The one i used never had any troubles.

yeah, i remember seeing that video a month or so ago. i also remember a thread where someone here said there is a difference in part #'s that distinguish the lagging and non-lagging ones.

perhps you can find it in search

 

Reiniku

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finally got home and did it EXACTLY as the guy did... and my mx1000 works fine i guess it was something with the earlier revisions.
 

glorygunk

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I was kind of reluctant at first to do what that guy did to such an expensive mouse.

However, I experienced none of those problems.

And what's up with that guy holding his mouse an inch or more off the table? He's creating his own lag IMO!
 

Reiniku

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Originally posted by: glorygunk
I was kind of reluctant at first to do what that guy did to such an expensive mouse.

However, I experienced none of those problems.

And what's up with that guy holding his mouse an inch or more off the table? He's creating his own lag IMO!

it does happen. but you'll only have a chance of getting a mouse with the problem if you buy from any b&m store or from a very small online retailer. it's a bug found only in the earliest revisions of the mouse (or was it the base station?), that has been fixed. b&m stores tend to sell this overpriced and not push large quantities of it, and well small online retailers just dont sell much at all either, making it possible for them to have stock of the older mx1000's. buying from somewhere like NewEgg practically eliminates the possibility however
 

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I bought mine on Saturday from TigerDirect and I don't experience any lags. However, the first one I got "rocks" back and forth. So, I took it back and get it exchanged. I opened up the box in front of the cashier before accepting the exchange. The 2nd one was all good and lie flat on the table. I got it for $57.99 + tax.
 

Reiniku

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Originally posted by: myrcgarage
I bought mine on Saturday from TigerDirect and I don't experience any lags. However, the first one I got "rocks" back and forth. So, I took it back and get it exchanged. I opened up the box in front of the cashier before accepting the exchange. The 2nd one was all good and lie flat on the table. I got it for $57.99 + tax.

tiger direct has a b&m store? i wonder if that will do a thing for people's opinion on their rebates. i am personally fond of the onrebate.com system however :Q
 

myrcgarage

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Originally posted by: Reiniku
Originally posted by: myrcgarage
I bought mine on Saturday from TigerDirect and I don't experience any lags. However, the first one I got "rocks" back and forth. So, I took it back and get it exchanged. I opened up the box in front of the cashier before accepting the exchange. The 2nd one was all good and lie flat on the table. I got it for $57.99 + tax.

tiger direct has a b&m store? i wonder if that will do a thing for people's opinion on their rebates. i am personally fond of the onrebate.com system however :Q


Yep, they do and it is in one of the chicago suburbs.
 

Bojangles139

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my only question... why in the hell would you ever do what he does in the vid? yes, i know about picking up and setting down to center the mouse back on the pad.... but he doesn't even do that. he just bangs in on the table. <shrug> what ever

yes, there is a delay on the mouse turning back on after you pick it up. its like .25 to .5 seconds of a delay. in 90% of applications, it has no impact. if you pick up and set straight down, you can't even notice the delay, its only when your trying to do a continious movement (like picking it up then setting it down at angle to continue the turn/move)

i play my FPS's with low sensitivity and i do notice it in a game, and yes, it is very annoying. in every other application/game, i do not notice it. if you play with mid or higher sensvivity, you'll never notice the slight turn on delay.

its a great mouse, i like the egronomics of it. i like the improved battery indicator and the new lithium battery. don't let a few overly zealous people scare you way. its a great mouse.

P.S. the mouse version has nothing to do with the delay from what i've found. i've had 3 mx1000, all different versions, all have the same problem. its firmware/software problem with the mouse not turning on quickly enough for some users.
 

Reiniku

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Originally posted by: Bojangles139
P.S. the mouse version has nothing to do with the delay from what i've found. i've had 3 mx1000, all different versions, all have the same problem. its firmware/software problem with the mouse not turning on quickly enough for some users.

well theres obviously something different from the newer releases of this mouse than the original releases. either way i dont have the problem, my friend who bought it online doesn't have the problem, and my friend who bought it from a b&m store does. (i noticed some things and bugged them to test for me, such as the delay after letting your mouse not move for more than 10 minutes)
 
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