Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

[JEDIYoda]

Warren just lost herself any chance of being POTUS......the damn Democrats keep shooting themselves in the foot!

Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

Top Democratic presidential contender says Jerusalem's policies are moving it away from a two-state solution

www.timesofisrael.com

Leading Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on Sunday indicated the US could withhold aid to Israel to force it to halt construction in settlements.

Asked during a political event in Iowa on her position on making aid conditional on stopping settlement expansion, the Massachusetts senator said “everything is on the table.

The US provides Israel with some $3.8 billion in military assistance annually.

“Right now, [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu says he is going to take Israel in a direction of increasing settlements. That does not move us toward a two-state solution,” Warren said.

“It is the official policy of the United States of America to support a two-state solution, and if Israel is moving in the opposite direction, then everything is on the table,” she said, then repeated: “Everything is on the table.”

Warren is currently neck and neck with former vice president Joe Biden in polls ahead of the Democratic primaries, and has recently led in some surveys. She is seen as a more liberal, left-leaning candidate than Biden on many issues.

In June Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, ranked third in the race, said he would “absolutely” consider dangling cuts to American aid to Israel in order to pressure Jerusalem.

However Sanders also said at the time that he would not make decisions that render Israel militarily vulnerable.

Military aid packages to Israel have steadily increased since the mid-1980s, when they were first offered, and are considered a linchpin of the US-Israel alliance. Few American lawmakers have challenged the handouts. In September 2016, then-president Barack Obama and Netanyahu signed a memorandum of understanding upping the figure from $3 billion annually to $3.8 billion annually for the next 10 years, despite frosty ties between the two.


The aid package is seen in Israel as key to helping it maintain its qualitative military edge over potential threats in the region.

 

[sactoking]

It's about time someone publicly refused to suck the Israeli's collective penis.

 

[JEDIYoda]

It's about time someone publicly refused to suck the Israeli's collective penis.

But not warren in an election year!! She is not getting any votes through this stand!!
May the God of Israel bless you!! -- יהי רצון שאלוהי ישראל יברך אותך !!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This whole anti-Israel thing really is getting out of hand.

These incredibly moronic democrats that are anti-Israel obviously have the intelligence level of 12 year old because they clearly have no history of the situation.

It's just - EVIL WHITE JEWS oppressing poor brown muslims that just want to pray.


Yeah sure buddy, that's the full story. Whatever you want to tell yourselves. Notice this only comes from the mouths of the fucking morons of the democrats. No real competent candidates would say something so stupid.

 

[K1052]

Lots of people warned about the risks to Israel of letting Trump give unqualified support to BIbi (who bear hugged him back) and turning US support into a partisan issue.

More skeptical democrats who are likely to be harder on US-Israel policy was the natural result.

 

[Jhhnn]

This whole anti-Israel thing really is getting out of hand.

These incredibly moronic democrats that are anti-Israel obviously have the intelligence level of 12 year old because they clearly have no history of the situation.

It's just - EVIL WHITE JEWS oppressing poor brown muslims that just want to pray.


Yeah sure buddy, that's the full story. Whatever you want to tell yourselves. Notice this only comes from the mouths of the fucking morons of the democrats. No real competent candidates would say something so stupid.

Our Israeli friends have been lying to us since forever about seeking peace thru a two state solution with the pals. They just take more all the time, a slow motion version of lebensraum.

 

[ivwshane]

Sounds smart. If we aren’t using our influence to push American ideals then what exactly are we doing other than throwing money away?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sounds smart. If we aren’t using our influence to push American ideals then what exactly are we doing other than throwing money away?

ort of like a quid pro quo???

 

[ivwshane]

ort of like a quid pro quo???

No. It’s exactly like a quid pro quo

 

[sactoking]

This whole anti-Israel thing really is getting out of hand.

These incredibly moronic democrats that are anti-Israel obviously have the intelligence level of 12 year old because they clearly have no history of the situation.

It's just - EVIL WHITE JEWS oppressing poor brown muslims that just want to pray.


Yeah sure buddy, that's the full story. Whatever you want to tell yourselves. Notice this only comes from the mouths of the fucking morons of the democrats. No real competent candidates would say something so stupid.

And at the same time the Republicans have gone off the deep end the other way with their pearl clutching and cries of "anti-semitism!" whenever anyone wavers to anything less than blind, 100% obedience to Israel.

 

[emperus]

ort of like a quid pro quo???

Can we stop this insanity. Damn. It's like we are 5 years old and our conversations have little depth. US foreign policy is generally based on quid pro quo's. We can debate whether we agree with them or not. That is not the same as a President using the power of the US government for Personal GAIN! i.e Trump using the threat of withholding aid to ask a foreign government to investigate his political rival Biden. It sounds like this Trump presidency has made us dumber as a nation.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This whole anti-Israel thing really is getting out of hand.

These incredibly moronic democrats that are anti-Israel obviously have the intelligence level of 12 year old because they clearly have no history of the situation.

It's just - EVIL WHITE JEWS oppressing poor brown muslims that just want to pray.


Yeah sure buddy, that's the full story. Whatever you want to tell yourselves. Notice this only comes from the mouths of the fucking morons of the democrats. No real competent candidates would say something so stupid.

Don't drown in all that straw.

 

[alien42]

But not warren in an election year!! She is not getting any votes through this stand!!
May the God of Israel bless you!! -- יהי רצון שאלוהי ישראל יברך אותך !!

she is correct and this gives me another reason to vote for her if she is the nominee, Netanyahu is as corrupt as Trump is.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Don't drown in all that straw.

Do you mind looking up what the definition of a strawman argument is instead of making posts insinuating a bunch of people are doing it? Thanks.

Continuously falsely stating an argument is a strawman doesn't make it one.

In addition, posts of simple 1 to 2 sentence posts that do not offer a competent argument reply doesn't do anything in regards to a debate.

 

[blankslate]

John Kerry was right about Israel a few years back before he walked back that statement.

I mean it's ok to snipe an unarmed Medic who was tending protesters because she was obviously a scumbag for doing that right? right?

Israel has had a fundamentalist Right Wing PM who sanctions violating Geneva conventions for so long that even having a centrist challenger win against Netanyahu would be a great thing by comparison.


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[JEDIYoda]

John Kerry was right about Israel a few years back before he walked back that statement.

I mean it's ok to snipe an unarmed Medic who was tending protesters because she was obviously a scumbag for doing that right? right?

Israel has had a fundamentalist Right Wing PM who sanctions violating Geneva conventions for so long that even having a centrist challenger win against Netanyahu would be a great thing by comparison.


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Why Israel Is Not Violating Fourth Geneva Convention | United with Israel

Many pro-Palestine activists and members of the international community falsely have claimed that Israel has violated the Fourth Geneva Convention. For example, a UN Human Rights Council panel has declared that Israel building Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria violates the Fourth Geneva...

unitedwithisrael.org

Many pro-Palestine activists and members of the international community falsely have claimed that Israel has violated the Fourth Geneva Convention. For example, a UN Human Rights Council panel has declared that Israel building Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria violates the Fourth Geneva Convention. Christine Chanet, the French judge who headed this U.N. inquiry, asserted, “To transfer its own population into an occupied territory is prohibited because it is an obstacle to the exercise of the right to self-determination.” Yet any careful examination of international law would establish that Judea and Samaria, as well as East Jerusalem, are not occupied territories and that the Geneva Convention spoke of forced transfers, such as what the Nazis did, not the voluntary transfers that Israel engages in.

Firstly, Article 49 of the Geneva Convention was drafted following the Second World War, during which time millions of people were deported, displaced and massacred. In the case of the Jews and Gypsies, outright genocide was committed. Article 49 of the Geneva Convention was created in order to prevent a repeat of what happened in Europe under the malaise aggression of Nazism. For this reason, Article 49 of the Geneva Convention states, “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
The International Commission of the Red Cross clarified this article in 1958 by asserting, “It is intended to prevent a practice adopted during the Second World War by certain Powers, which transferred portions of their own population to occupied territory for political and racial reasons or in order, as they claimed, to colonize those territories. Such transfers worsened the economic situation of the native population and endangered their separate existence as a race.” This establishes the point that Article 49 of the Geneva Convention refers to forced transfers of population that result in endangering a conquered nations’ existence, not voluntary settlement to open areas, even for cases when an occupation does indeed take place.

Yet, there is a strong legal case to be made that the term occupation does not even apply to Judea and Samaria, as well as East Jerusalem. Article 2 of the Geneva Convention has made clear that the Fourth Geneva Convention only applies to two or more high contracting parties, which is not the case at hand since the international community never recognized Jordan’s annexation of Judea and Samaria. Further, Egypt never bothered to annex Gaza and no Palestinian Arab state ever existed throughout human history. However, according to the San Remo Resolution of April 25, 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine of July 24, 1922, Judea and Samaria, East Jerusalem, and Gaza were all supposed to be part of a Jewish state. These agreements are still relevant, since Article 80 of the UN Charter states that all mandates of the League of Nations are still valid.

Some people falsely believe that the Palestine Mandate was terminated in 1947, but this is not correct. According to Professor Eugene Rostow, former dean of Yale Law School, “A trust never terminates when a trustee dies, resigns, embezzles the trust property, or is dismissed. The authority responsible for the trust appoints a new trustee, or otherwise arranges for the fulfillment of its purpose.” Thus, while the Palestine Mandate ceased to exist in Israel and Jordan when Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom obtained independence, Professor Rostow claims “its rules apply still to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which have not yet been allocated either to Israel or to Jordan or become an independent state.” He claims that legally speaking, the Armistice Lines of 1949 represent nothing more than the positions the contending armies finished at the conclusion of Israel’s War of Independence.

Leading international law expert Julius Stone concurred. He asserted that Article 49 only relates to the invasion of sovereign states, a title the Palestinians never possessed. Stone also argued that the history behind the drafting of Article 49 of the Geneva Convention needs to be taken into account, especially considering how drastically different Israel’s situation in Judea and Samaria is to what existed in Europe under Nazism. He furthermore asserted, “No serious dilution (much less extinction) of native populations exists, rather a dramatic improvement in the economic situation of the local Palestinian inhabitants since 1967 has occurred.”

Since the end of World War II, no territorial dispute in the world has been defined as occupied territories, except in Israel’s case. According to Eli Hertz, in virtually every other disagreement concerning borders and territories, the most common terms applied are territorial disputes and contested borders. This is even the case for the places like the Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, and Nagorno-Karabakh. Furthermore, given the legal status of Palestine under the British Mandate, as a state to be established for the Jewish people, Israel also has stronger grounds to argue based on international law that these territories are within her national borders than any other state within the region.

By Rachel Avraham

 

[blankslate]

Rachel Avraham

I give zero fvcks abut her opinion. the simple fact of the matter is that Israel is wrong for sniping unarmed protesters whether or not you can excuse it on a technicality.

the idea that it's ok to shoot an unarmed medic treating said protesters because it wasn't done during a declared WAR is downright despicable AF.



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[s0me0nesmind1]

I give zero fvcks abut her opinion. the simple fact of the matter is that Israel is wrong for sniping unarmed protesters whether or not you can excuse it on a technicality.



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I really don't care who you are (as far as protesters). If you're amongst a group of individuals launching rockets, you are an enemy. It is not their job to segregate who shot it and who did not. It's really that fucking simple. Guilt by association, etc...

It is absolutely laughable to say "OH SHIT! HOLD ALL FIRE! There is one that didn't launch a weapon!" Yeah, no.

 

[blankslate]

It is absolutely laughable to say "OH SHIT! HOLD ALL FIRE! There is one that didn't launch a weapon!" Yeah, no.

So you're fine with snipers targeting medics who are not armed and just treating the injured... ok it's informative to know that about you I guess.


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[s0me0nesmind1]

So you're fine with snipers targeting medics who are not armed and just treating the injured... ok it's informative to know that about you I guess.

...Absolutely?

Yes, yes I am. If someone launches a FUCKING ROCKET. Every. Single. Fucking. Person... that supports said person that shot the rocket... Is now an enemy worthy of being killed....

To quote a very common quote - "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

Christ, if a militant group sends a 12 year old to do a suicide bomb - but then they send in a medic afterwards, do you make sure not to shoot? Do you see how dumb that sounds?

 

[ivwshane]

So you're fine with snipers targeting medics who are not armed and just treating the injured... ok it's informative to know that about you I guess.


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Sometimes you gotta kill kids with hand grenades to get the bad guys.


/s

 

[JEDIYoda]

I give zero fvcks abut her opinion. the simple fact of the matter is that Israel is wrong for sniping unarmed protesters whether or not you can excuse it on a technicality.

the idea that it's ok to shoot an unarmed medic treating said protesters because it wasn't done during a declared WAR is downright despicable AF.



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Who said it was OK? Can you please point that out to me? Please post where it was said it was OK??
I would be willing to bet you that is not even close to why Warren said what she said.....
This is a 2 way street, but all you see is what you want to see!!
It would be nice if people could stay on topic!
By resorting to this nonsense all you are doing is derailing the thread!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sometimes you gotta kill kids with hand grenades to get the bad guys.


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Make sure to hug the next 12 year old suicide bomber that shows up to your place.

 

[blankslate]

By resorting to this nonsense all you are doing is derailing the thread!

Actually it is related to this thread because settlements are part of the reason for those protests and the reaction to those protests are very likely part of the reason Sen. Warren is proposing withholding aid to change Israel's stance on building even more settlements.


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[blankslate]

Make sure to hug the next 12 year old suicide bomber that shows up to your place.

There's whole world of difference between a suicide bomber close enough to kill you and a medic a few hundred yards away from you who doesn't hear the sound of your weapon until the round you sent their way has entered their chest.


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