Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

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brycejones

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I think Warren is 100% right here. I’m not anti-Israel, I’m against illegal settlements. If Israel wants our money then they can comply with their obligations not to illegally settle land that isn’t theirs. If they decide the land is more important than our money that’s their choice too, but choices have consequences.

Yep
 

brandonbull

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Warren just lost herself any chance of being POTUS......the damn Democrats keep shooting themselves in the foot!
Leading Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on Sunday indicated the US could withhold aid to Israel to force it to halt construction in settlements.

Asked during a political event in Iowa on her position on making aid conditional on stopping settlement expansion, the Massachusetts senator said “everything is on the table.

The US provides Israel with some $3.8 billion in military assistance annually.

“Right now, [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu says he is going to take Israel in a direction of increasing settlements. That does not move us toward a two-state solution,” Warren said.

“It is the official policy of the United States of America to support a two-state solution, and if Israel is moving in the opposite direction, then everything is on the table,” she said, then repeated: “Everything is on the table.”

Warren is currently neck and neck with former vice president Joe Biden in polls ahead of the Democratic primaries, and has recently led in some surveys. She is seen as a more liberal, left-leaning candidate than Biden on many issues.

In June Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, ranked third in the race, said he would “absolutely” consider dangling cuts to American aid to Israel in order to pressure Jerusalem.

However Sanders also said at the time that he would not make decisions that render Israel militarily vulnerable.

Military aid packages to Israel have steadily increased since the mid-1980s, when they were first offered, and are considered a linchpin of the US-Israel alliance. Few American lawmakers have challenged the handouts. In September 2016, then-president Barack Obama and Netanyahu signed a memorandum of understanding upping the figure from $3 billion annually to $3.8 billion annually for the next 10 years, despite frosty ties between the two.


The aid package is seen in Israel as key to helping it maintain its qualitative military edge over potential threats in the region.
Sounds like Warren just made a quid pro quo. Time to investigate.
 

brycejones

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Sounds like Warren just made a quid pro quo. Time to investigate.

Well that was just a lame "argument". Please point out where Warren asked for for dirt on or an investigation of her political opponent in her remarks in exchange for providing aid IF she is elected President. What of value to her campaign did she request from Israel in exchange for continuing aid?
 
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fskimospy

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Well that was just a lame "argument". Please point out where Warren asked for for dirt on or an investigation of her political opponent in her remarks in exchange for providing aid IF she is elected President. What of value to her campaign did she request from Israel in exchange for continuing aid?

I’m never sure if he’s purposefully lying or if he’s just that indoctrinated.

It’s kind of amazing this even needs to be explained but in case anyone else is confused:

1) it is entirely legal and proper for a country to exchange foreign aid for policy that benefits the country’s interests. Like say, foreign aid for abiding by agreements not to annex land illegally.

2) it is entirely illegal and improper for a country to exchange foreign aid for policy that benefits the leader personally and not the country. Like say $50,000 in unmarked bills or investigations into the leader’s political enemies.

Like...duh.
 
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brycejones

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I’m never sure if he’s purposefully lying or if he’s just that indoctrinated.

Some are just that indoctrinated. I saw comments on a story about the MI redistricting case in the Free Press claiming Democrats were responsible for Gerrymandering Rashida Talib's district (you know the district created by MI Republicans). I'm not really sure what to do with those who left objective reality behind.
 
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Ichinisan

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I wondered why people expect Israel to pursue a two-state solution while the stated goal of Hamas was to completely destroy Israel and refuse to acknowledge its legitimacy. Looks like Hamas altered its charter in 2017:

"Hamas’s charter long called for the destruction of Israel. It was revised in 2017 to allow for acceptance of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip rather than the entire territory, though Hams still refuses to recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli state."

 

fskimospy

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I wondered why people expect Israel to pursue a two-state solution while the stated goal of Hamas was to completely destroy Israel and refuse to acknowledge its legitimacy. Looks like Hamas altered its charter in 2017:

"Hamas’s charter long called for the destruction of Israel. It was revised in 2017 to allow for acceptance of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip rather than the entire territory, though Hams still refuses to recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli state."


Probably because the Palestinians are not defined by their most extreme elements just like Israel is not defined by some of the extreme elements in Netanyahu’s governing coalition.
 
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Vic

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Do you mind looking up what the definition of a strawman argument is instead of making posts insinuating a bunch of people are doing it? Thanks.

Continuously falsely stating an argument is a strawman doesn't make it one.

In addition, posts of simple 1 to 2 sentence posts that do not offer a competent argument reply doesn't do anything in regards to a debate.

Arguing that someone must be antisemitic because they oppose the Israeli govt's policies is an obvious straw man.
Maybe you should debate with more competent arguments than just making up wild arguments for your opponents just so you can rant and call them stupid and other names.
 
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fskimospy

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Arguing that someone must be antisemitic because they oppose the Israeli govt's policies is an obvious straw man.
Maybe you should debate with more competent arguments that just making up wild arguments for your opponents just so you can rant and call them stupid and other names.

Odd how people don’t think that criticizing Saudi Arabia’s government makes you an anti-Arab bigot.
 
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dainthomas

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This whole anti-Israel thing really is getting out of hand.

These incredibly moronic democrats that are anti-Israel obviously have the intelligence level of 12 year old because they clearly have no history of the situation.

It's just - EVIL WHITE JEWS oppressing poor brown muslims that just want to pray.


Yeah sure buddy, that's the full story. Whatever you want to tell yourselves. Notice this only comes from the mouths of the fucking morons of the democrats. No real competent candidates would say something so stupid.
So you are all for occupation of land gained through military conflict?

Who knew it would have been cool to take over swaths of Germany after WW2, make them part of the United States, and shoot any Germans who protested? Missed opportunity.
 
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CZroe

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Probably because the Palestinians are not defined by their most extreme elements just like Israel is not defined by some of the extreme elements in Netanyahu’s governing coalition.
Is Hamas still the de facto ruling party of the Gaza strip? That might define a future Palestinian state.
 

Jhhnn

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Is Hamas still the de facto ruling party of the Gaza strip? That might define a future Palestinian state.

Hamas is a reaction to Israeli policy, not justification for it. Israeli policy wrt the Fatah govt in the West Bank is the same, actually worse, because that's the territory they keep taking.
 
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It's about time someone publicly refused to suck the Israeli's collective penis.

Pretty true, I’d bet a good amount of deplorable’s agree with this too.
I never liked the “settlement” term. Sounds like people are loading up their wagons and moving to unknown/unused territory.
These settlements are basically eviction notices. Leave your house by this date because the bulldozer is coming wether your are home or not. People’s families homes are being confiscated and built over.
No way someone doesn’t hold a grudge about that for generations.
 

nakedfrog

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Rules of war? Its like in the first week or so.

Generally referred to as LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict) in the US military.
 

Ajay

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I have no idea why Warren made a public announcement like this. If elected, she world have all the leverage she needs to put pressure on Israel to stop it's Arab displacement policies.
The Biden camp must be filled with glee.
 

fskimospy

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I have no idea why Warren made a public announcement like this. If elected, she world have all the leverage she needs to put pressure on Israel to stop it's Arab displacement policies.
The Biden camp must be filled with glee.

Not so sure about that. Israel is not particularly popular with the Democratic base, especially since Netanyahu came out as a political partisan against Democrats.

 

Vic

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Hamas is a reaction to Israeli policy, not justification for it. Israeli policy wrt the Fatah govt in the West Bank is the same, actually worse, because that's the territory they keep taking.
It's the adult equivalent of 'quit hitting yourself.' They support the taking of other people's property using the justification that those people resist having their property taken.
 
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Not so sure about that. Israel is not particularly popular with the Democratic base, especially since Netanyahu came out as a political partisan against Democrats.


Exactly & it’s about time for the House to invite the Pope over to speak.
 

Ajay

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Not so sure about that. Israel is not particularly popular with the Democratic base, especially since Netanyahu came out as a political partisan against Democrats.

Yeah, that's a pretty sharp drop off in 2017/18!
 

balloonshark

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If we're serious about peace in the middle east then any and all options should be on the table. I don't see a problem here. That money could be used here at home to pay for those permanent tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
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brandonbull

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Well that was just a lame "argument". Please point out where Warren asked for for dirt on or an investigation of her political opponent in her remarks in exchange for providing aid IF she is elected President. What of value to her campaign did she request from Israel in exchange for continuing aid?
Point out where Trump asked for dirt? So what the Dems are now claiming is anything that Trump does as President can be considered personal gain for campaign purposes?
 
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