Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

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JSt0rm

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ofc not, but Israel is also doing little to deescalate.

true. That's why I said its a complicated situation. Also with trump politicizing the issue isreal should expect a bit of blowback. Especially since they did a bunch of land grabbing.
 
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The same could be said about white & black people in the south but I’m sure you didn’t think of those parallels, did you.
"In the south" ?

Awww, how cute, you think one side of the united states is more righteous than the other. You're cute.
 

blankslate

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So I will take your answer to mbe -- No! I don`t want to go there!! So in that case there is nothing to talk about!
Both sides have there faults and the onus is on both sides to act like adults!!t
My answer is they're both wrong. But one side is at an advantage for their leader being propped up by the Fundmentalist Right religious types in the U.S. and the Republicans who pander to them for not entirely nice reasons.

And if one side is at an extreme advantage avoiding arguing why their need to shoot unarmed people who are at the time protesting and not launching rockets is needed is rather telling... I'll leave it at that.



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ivwshane

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The problem is if Palestinians plant bombs and blow people up like they were doing in 2000 mixing them up isnt going to work.

It’s a lot harder to blow up the enemy when you are forced to interact with them as is the rest of your family and your children. Does that mean bad things won’t happen? Of course not but for every bad thing done to people who are in close proximity to each other you create a bond of camaraderie and eventually people who were once your enemy will be your biggest defenders. It’s human nature. It’s why in big cities racism is less pervasive. It’s hard to hate people you interact with on a daily basis.
 

ivwshane

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"In the south" ?

Awww, how cute, you think one side of the united states is more righteous than the other. You're cute.

You aren’t very smart as you failed to understand my example and instead took it to mean something completely different. Try working on your reading comprehension, while you are at it, read some history, and since you will be trying to better yourself, maybe try not responding to posts so much, otherwise others won’t think you are an idiot, they’ll know you are.
 

JSt0rm

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It’s a lot harder to blow up the enemy when you are forced to interact with them as is the rest of your family and your children. Does that mean bad things won’t happen? Of course not but for every bad thing done to people who are in close proximity to each other you create a bond of camaraderie and eventually people who were once your enemy will be your biggest defenders. It’s human nature. It’s why in big cities racism is less pervasive. It’s hard to hate people you interact with on a daily basis.

these people have hated each other for 2000 years.
 

DarthKyrie

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How the f is someone an anti-semite for disagreeing with the israeli government?

Somehow the Israeli government is able to follow a religion while also being made up of people that follow that same religion, in other words they see the state of Israel as a person just like they see corporations as people and able to have an actual religion like Hobby Lobby was able to adopt.
 

JSt0rm

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Its worked here in the US. I thought that was readily apparent by reference to the south. Or do you think in the two generations since integration things have gotten worse racially?

i dont think you can compare blacks living in the south with Israel/Palestine
 

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these people have hated each other for 2000 years.
Muslims and Jews were a lot closer to one another than Jews and Christians over last 2000 years. In fact, Muslims gave refuge to Jews several times over the centuries in their persecution from Christianity, mainly during the Spanish Inquisition and expulsion of Jews from Spain. Arab-Israeli conflict only goes back to the 1940s, although there were frictions between the local populations with the arrival of many thousands of Jews from Europe in the 1930s-40s.
 

JSt0rm

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How are they different?

I've already addressed the "its not so simple" comment.

Both southern blacks and southern whites are of the same religion. They speak the same language and southern blacks have already been assimilated into that culture. Its just way different.
 

JSt0rm

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plus you are discussing the removal of one culture or the merging of 2 cultures to make 1 new culture. Neither side wants this.
 

ivwshane

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plus you are discussing the removal of one culture or the merging of 2 cultures to make 1 new culture. Neither side wants this.

Of course neither side wants it. That's the whole point. If one side wanted it then it would be unfair and there would be resentment and even more violence. Since no one is winning they'll either have to work together for some sort of agreement or they'll have to work out their differences and figure out how to coexist. Most of the time, its time itself that bridges the divide.

Religion and language, like race is a social construct, its all the same; I hate you because you aren't like me. Its at old as time and basic animal nature.
 

KMFJD

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thats only the state of israel but look back at the history of the region and you will see conflict after conflict with a relatively chill period of 400 years of ottoman rule.
the same can be said of the rest of the world then....Europe for example has been in conflict with themselves for most of history
 
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JSt0rm

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Of course neither side wants it. That's the whole point. If one side wanted it then it would be unfair and there would be resentment and even more violence. Since no one is winning they'll either have to work together for some sort of agreement or they'll have to work out their differences and figure out how to coexist. Most of the time, its time itself that bridges the divide.

Religion and language, like race is a social construct, its all the same; I hate you because you aren't like me. Its at old as time and basic animal nature.

Or one wipes the other out. You are getting way to cranial about it. These people are not going to mind meld and merge languages and cultures.
 

Jhhnn

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Of course neither side wants it. That's the whole point. If one side wanted it then it would be unfair and there would be resentment and even more violence. Since no one is winning they'll either have to work together for some sort of agreement or they'll have to work out their differences and figure out how to coexist. Most of the time, its time itself that bridges the divide.

Religion and language, like race is a social construct, its all the same; I hate you because you aren't like me. Its at old as time and basic animal nature.

Except that the Israelis have been winning since 1947. What do they want? Just everything the Pals have. How do they get it? Perpetual occupation with slow motion lebensraum & American sympathies.
 
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