Warthunder

[Greenman]

I read a bunch about game play and strategy, and the best strategy seems to be buying the $100 equipment packs. I don't don't like the price structure or the "pay to get an advantage" model, so I uninstalled it.

 

[futurefields]

Which sucks because the games basic engine/gameplay is head and shoulders above other games in the genre. I had a bunch of friends/coworkers who were big into the game a couple years ago. It was all they played for months and none of them have touched the game in ages due to the business model.

 

[Greenman]

Which sucks because the games basic engine/gameplay is head and shoulders above other games in the genre. I had a bunch of friends/coworkers who were big into the game a couple years ago. It was all they played for months and none of them have touched the game in ages due to the business model.

It's all about the money.
My issue isn't that they want to make a buck, everyone deserves to make a living, but I won't do business with anyone who won't put the price tag out front.

 

[Blitzvogel]

The thing is that WT really isn't "pay to win" since buying and using a premium vehicle means fighting at it's BR anyways. Everything else is available to any player as long as they put in the time or effort.

The biggest change needed is a reevaluation of the BR system. Too often, the 1.0 difference in BR that determines what and who you fight is the difference between being able to penetrate someone's armor and shot deflection in the tanks part of the game. Also, the system needs to scale to 10.0, with the jets divided amongst Tier V and a theoretical Tier IV due to massive differences in capability of early jets and the swept wings. Later American and Russian tanks are from my experience, much better than any late German tree tank with exception to the Leopard but that is pretty much by virtue of the fact that tanks like the T-54, IS-4 and T32 were post war vehicles designed specifically to counter German tanks.

 

[Greenman]

I found the planes to be boring as hell. Everyone fly's in circles shooting each other. Unless they have that little star next to their name, which apparently means "unable to maneuver". Tanks were way more fun at first, because there was real combat and not just going around in circles, but quickly became so unbalanced as to suck the fun right out of it.

 

[pontifex]

I found the planes to be boring as hell. Everyone fly's in circles shooting each other. Unless they have that little star next to their name, which apparently means "unable to maneuver". Tanks were way more fun at first, because there was real combat and not just going around in circles, but quickly became so unbalanced as to suck the fun right out of it.

you're doing it wrong then.

also the star indicates PS3 player.

 

[Greenman]

you're doing it wrong then.

also the star indicates PS3 player.

I was told that. But all the evidence points to my interpretation being the correct one. Those poor buggers were mobbed to death in every game. Aside from that, I just couldn't get behind planes. It could be that I'm getting old and find it too chaotic.
I prefer simple games, I'm not interested in figuring out what load out I need, or studying weapons penetration and armor design. I just want to go shoot something where some skill and strategy give me a reasonable possibility of surviving the encounter. The whole thing with driving a tank half way across a huge map to get to the battle field and then get taken out with one shot from a guy I hit 3 times was frustrating. I kept at it for 15 hours or so, but the fun just wasn't there.
I really wanted to like it, I like the mellow pace, I like the simple controls, I like that strategy gives you a real edge, but I just couldn't find any balance. I can see trading armor for firepower, or vice-versa, but that isn't an option. Either the game is busted, or I just don't understand it. Either way I'm let down, it looked like a lot of fun at first.

 

[Phanuel]

I'm not interested in figuring out what load out I need, or studying weapons penetration and armor design.

How can you say this ^ and then say this;

I just want to go shoot something where some skill and strategy give me a reasonable possibility of surviving the encounter. The whole thing with driving a tank half way across a huge map to get to the battle field and then get taken out with one shot from a guy I hit 3 times was frustrating.

You wanted strategy, they gave it to you. But you just wanted to point and shoot instead with no strategy?

I can see trading armor for firepower, or vice-versa, but that isn't an option.

It wasn't an option in real life either. The tank was made and field mods were typically the removal or addition of ancillary weapons (machine guns for anti-infantry purposes) or the removal of armor for weight saving.

Improving the main gun firepower of a tank really wasn't something done in the field.


As far as planes go, they are far more intricate in how they perform and strengths and weaknesses of each, especially in realistic mode. Turn fighting is something you only do depending on what you're flying and what your opponent is flying.

Every time I see a P-47 mowing the lawn I die inside and then go after them.

But if it didn't grab you, it didn't grab you. There is also most definitely no Pay2Win in this game. I've unlocked all of the T4 fighters in most nations without an account. The premium planes I've gotten from random holiday events I rarely play.

Tiering balance is a huge issue though. The 1.0 BR spread needs to go or the BRs need to go back to 15 from the heavily compressed 9. Russian Bias(tm) is also something I pretty heavily believe in based on the gloriously awful BRs their planes receive (read, way to low) and the clubbing that results along with the hilariously boosted non-realistic performance models and non-existent reliability issues that they suffered during the war. Yak-9t, 9k, etc with prop cannons that are laser accurate and never jam vs everyone else's larger cannons that sparkle, jam, and look like shotgun spread after 1 shot.

 

[Greenman]

Combat strategy is an entirely different thing than hardware strategy.

I don't know about the different tiers and how they are broken down, but it appears they are broken, as you're not the first person I've heard say that.

Maybe they'll get the bugs worked out in another year or two and I'll try it again.

 

[gorobei]

I found the planes to be boring as hell. Everyone fly's in circles shooting each other. Unless they have that little star next to their name, which apparently means "unable to maneuver". Tanks were way more fun at first, because there was real combat and not just going around in circles, but quickly became so unbalanced as to suck the fun right out of it.

you're doing it wrong then.

also the star indicates PS3 player.

I was told that. But all the evidence points to my interpretation being the correct one. Those poor buggers were mobbed to death in every game. Aside from that, I just couldn't get behind planes. It could be that I'm getting old and find it too chaotic.

the asterisk means they are PS4 player accounts. and yes they are targeted because most of them are using DS4 controllers which means they have less situational awareness because their freelook is hampered by using a analog stick whereas PC users can swivel 360 deg and know exactly where everyone is with a quick mouse swipe. the target lock/point at function on PS4 also tends to make them tunnel vision prone, and they are treated as an easier kill.

 

[Elcs]

Tiering balance is a huge issue though. The 1.0 BR spread needs to go or the BRs need to go back to 15 from the heavily compressed 9.

They need to go back to the 20 rank system. That was much better for balance than this Battle Rating nonsense.

 

[Danwar]

pontifex

i did a quick read of the thread and didnt find anything regarding controls...

how are you controlling your planes? mouse+keyboard , gamepad , flight stick?

when i first started playing the game i used my xbox 360 controller for my pc , it was really hard trying to target and actually hit something.

when i switched to mouse+KB it was like night & day i felt like a pro, shooting down planes left and right.

also like others have said , keep your chosen planes BR close to each other so youre paired with people with similar planes

 

[pontifex]

pontifex

i did a quick read of the thread and didnt find anything regarding controls...

how are you controlling your planes? mouse+keyboard , gamepad , flight stick?

when i first started playing the game i used my xbox 360 controller for my pc , it was really hard trying to target and actually hit something.

when i switched to mouse+KB it was like night & day i felt like a pro, shooting down planes left and right.

also like others have said , keep your chosen planes BR close to each other so youre paired with people with similar planes

I play with mouse and keyboard.
I've gotten a lot better since I first started but sometimes still struggle.
Lats night I was playing and I was getting #1 spot on my team several times. My ping was around 95. a few games later and my ping jumped to 176 and I was getting like half the kills.

been having issues with high ping and packet loss a lot lately. I have presets for different BRs. and then like I'll keep BRs of all planes close. like if my preset is 4.3 BR, then I have 4.3 BR planes or lower (like 4.0 or 3.7).

 

[Phanuel]

Just make sure you're gaming the BR system the correct way.

E.g. a 4.3, 4.0, 3.7 lineup gives you a 4.0 br average.

A 4.3, 4.0, 4.0 lineup gives you a 4.3 br average.

A 4.3, 3.0, 3.0 lineup gives you a 4.3br average if I recall correctly. Planes beyond a 1.0 difference aren't counted.

Some youtube channels for planes;

Longshot, great information on planes for arcade -

Messer Smitt, an RB ace, no commentary just 5-10 minute videos of what planes are capable of -