Was an arab group responsible for the september 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks against the U.S.

[rudder]

from CNN:

Sixty-one percent said they did not believe Arab groups carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Man, these people sure need some other news source. Can we really hope to accomplish anything in Afghanistan beyond ripping apart al-qaida? This was probably a fairly small sampling. The article says nearly 10,000 people were polled, but that not all of the same questions were asked. I figured there would be some holdouts who refuse to believe the reasons why we bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, but 61%?

Edit: crap I fixed the link too! and I removed the word 'Poll' because it was causing to much confusion.

 

[Amused]

fixed link

 

[HOWITIS]

Randy Newman:




No one likes us - I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens


We give them money - But are they grateful
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us - so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them


Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada is too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one to blame us


We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an all American amusement park there
They got surfing too


Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me


They all hate us any how
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Does this arguement have to come up again??

:disgust::frown:

nik

 

[Moonbeam]

Since the Jews all stayed home that day I think it was Israel, but it could have been the Republicans knew it was comming but didn't warn anybody cause they wanted an excuse to get a pipeline through Afghanistan. They would have drugged the Arabs and got them on the plane to make it look like Arabs. I heard it could be the Illuminati too and black Ops helecopter people.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Since the Jews all stayed home that day I think it was Israel, but it could have been the Republicans knew it was comming but didn't warn anybody cause they wanted an excuse to get a pipeline through Afghanistan. They would have drugged the Arabs and got them on the plane to make it look like Arabs. I heard it could be the Illuminati too and black Ops helecopter people. >>


Woah...

 

[Zim Hosein]

<< Since the Jews all stayed home that day I think it was Israel, but it could have been the Republicans knew it was comming but didn't warn anybody cause they wanted an excuse to get a pipeline through Afghanistan. They would have drugged the Arabs and got them on the plane to make it look like Arabs. I heard it could be the Illuminati too and black Ops helecopter people. >>


Moonbeam, I've read you sig, but I still find you post lacking in taste. This thread should be locked IMHO.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< This thread should be locked IMHO. >>


Why's that?

 

[rudder]

Does this arguement have to come up again??

Well the poll was really trivial and didn't put it up there to actually make that a point of the post. I thought it extremely interesting that a sampling of muslims revealed 61% did not believe it was Arabs. I really thought it would be about 10-15% at the most.

I guess at this late hour many people click the poll, say repost and move on. I was hoping to see others views on whether the United States could actually accomplish anything in Afghanistan as far as nation building goes in light of this poll that was conducted.

 

[bizmark]

<< Moonbeam, I've read you sig, but I still find you post lacking in taste. This thread should be locked IMHO. >>



Touchy or just joking?

 

[Tominator]

Another idiotic 'Poll' by the Liberal Media.....Gallup loses more credibility that ever and after 8 years of them polling everyday maybe they are just trying a 'comeback.'

Arab Terrorists?

That's like calling all Blacks in America responsible for Terrorism aka Black Panthers....

Any thinking person only somewhat knowlegable would refuse to vote at all.:|

Remember, most of the Muslem World has no 'Free Press' as we know it in the West.

 

[Zim Hosein]

<< Touchy or just joking? >>


Maybe "Touchy," but I'm definately not joking.

 

[Zim Hosein]

<< That's like calling all Blacks in America responsible for Terrorism aka Black Panthers.... >>


Well said.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Another idiotic 'Poll' by the Liberal Media.....
Arab Terrorists?
That's like calling all Blacks in America responsible for Terrorism aka Black Panthers....
Any thinking person only somewhat knowlegable would refuse to vote at all.:| >>


I thought those who are anti-war/pro-Arab were liberals

BTW, where did he say that Arabs in America were responsible for Terrorism? It looks to me like he said "an Arab group." Al Qaeda's an Arab group, isn't it?

 

[rudder]

Any thinking person only somewhat knowlegable would refuse to vote at all.

I guess it was a dumb idea to put up a poll. I was copying the gallup poll to a certain extent, not because I had any doubts or really cared who the ATOT community thought was behind the attacks. I thought maybe some of you would be intelligent enough to see past that. The real point being (as stated at the top) that a large percentage of those sampled felt the way they did. My bad.

 

[rudder]

It looks to me like he said "an Arab group." Al Qaeda's an Arab group, isn't it?

And my next poll will be a real one. It will ask which members of Anandtech belong to the PC police dept. Thanks for understanding bomberman.


Arab Terrorists?

That's like calling all Blacks in America responsible for Terrorism aka Black Panthers....

And Mr PC, how else am I supposed to word it? "A group of men born in the middle eastern region who may or may not even be a group but in no way are deemed to cause terror lest the person writing this be accused of racism." All I asked was "was an arab terrorist group responsible..." How is that like calling all blacks in America responsible for terrorism?

 

[tcsenter]

<< I thought it extremely interesting that a sampling of muslims revealed 61% did not believe it was Arabs. >>

At first, I thought this was a poll of U.S. residents and I was a bit shocked. But, now that I understand the poll was conducted in ARAB and MUSLIM countries who have high rates of illiteracy and whose media is replete with anti-US indoctrination, I'm a bit suprised the result wasn't more like 75%.

More importantly, now that I understand the poll was in Arab and Muslim countries, why should I give a damn?

 

[Tominator]

rudder

Although I did nor vote in your poll, I meant my comments about CNN/Gallop and not yourself.

The results of Polls almost always are influenced by the wording of the question and even the order in which the questions are asked and are hardly ever unbiased.

 

[rudder]

More importantly, now that I understand the poll was in Arab and Muslim countries, why should I give a damn?

Now I know why there are so many posts about farting and other stupid crap on this board. I give up. I was just trying to ask if people thought that we could ever hope to achieve any long term success in the middle east. I mean 61% of the people polled to not believe it was an arab group involved. (sorry mr PC) These same people consider the fools that ran the planes into the WTC as martyrs, yet they were not involved.

edit : good night.

 

[veryape]

<<

<< Since the Jews all stayed home that day I think it was Israel, but it could have been the Republicans knew it was comming but didn't warn anybody cause they wanted an excuse to get a pipeline through Afghanistan. They would have drugged the Arabs and got them on the plane to make it look like Arabs. I heard it could be the Illuminati too and black Ops helecopter people. >>


Moonbeam, I've read you sig, but I still find you post lacking in taste. This thread should be locked IMHO. >>

Aw, poor baby, did we strike a nerve?

<< Does this arguement have to come up again??

:disgust::frown:

nik >>

Uh, yea it does, since it's the truth and people should know about it. If you didn't want to hear about it you certainly knew what the thread was about by the title and didn't need to crap on in.:disgust::frown:

 

[bizmark]

<< This thread should be locked IMHO. >>




<< Maybe "Touchy," but I'm definately not joking. >>



What, you comprise the entire world population of Jewish Republican Illuminati Black-Ops-Helicopter forces?



<< Why's that? >>



Please answer b0mberman's question... What reason is there for locking this thread?



<< Remember, most of the Muslem World has no 'Free Press' as we know it in the West. >>



Oh, you mean a free press like we have here, where 90% of the nation gets its news out of approximately 3 sources, all of which cooperate with the government.

I find it funny that you indict the 'liberal media' while at the same time calling them a 'free press'. By calling them liberal, you acknowledge that they have an agenda which does not necessarily match that which the nation as a whole wants or needs (as "liberal" implies "left of the median" where the median is the very middle opinion, by definition the average for the nation). How is this a free press? I guess that it's free to set its own agenda, but it's the press's job to report, not to effect change. A "free press" would be neither liberal nor conservative. "Free propagandists" maybe is a better word then.

 

[tcsenter]

<< Oh, you mean a free press like we have here, where 90% of the nation gets its news out of approximately 3 sources, all of which cooperate with the government. >>

No, he means a state-RUN media which dictates what you can publish and what you cannot. It's really too bad we are so damned spoiled and jaded in this country that some people do not even know how free they are. What some people need is a little 'perspective', like being forced to live in Egypt or Saudi Arabia for a few years.

<< A "free press" would be neither liberal nor conservative. >>

You have your definitions all mixed-up. What you have defined would be a "neutral" or "balanced" press, not a "free" press. A "free" press means printing whatever you want, be it liberal, conservative, or otherwise.

 

[ElFenix]

well technically osama is (or was, maybe the bastard is dead) a saudi arabian. and it is (or was) his group that planned and executed the attack. so, yes, its sort of reasonable for al-qaeda to be seen as an arab group. i don't know the ethnic makeup of al-qaeda, do you?

 

[bizmark]

<< << A "free press" would be neither liberal nor conservative. >>

You have your definitions all mixed-up. What you have defined would be a "neutral" or "balanced" press, not a "free" press. A "free" press means printing whatever you want, be it liberal, conservative, or otherwise. >>



No, that's not what I meant. I don't doubt that the media is free to do pretty much whatever it wants to, but my problem was more with the concept of a "press" or "news media" in general. I don't think that a press, by definition, can have an agenda. The job of a press, as I said, is to report things and not to try to change things. It is the job of the press to observe changes, not to create them. Please re-read my post and I think that this is pretty clear.



<< It's really too bad we are so damned spoiled and jaded in this country that some people do not even know how free they are. >>



It's really too bad that we are so blind to reality in this country that we pretend to protect the concept of freedom when we daily give away more of it, not necessarily to the government but rather to the power-brokers in the media who wield control over our very minds by telling us what's 'cool' and what's 'smart' and who we should emulate and what we should buy and playing off of the basic human tendency towards conformism. A large mob with uniform beliefs and ideas is a lot more oppressive to individualism than any government could ever be. While the government can only kill or imprison an opponent, the mob will gradually have its effect on the individual because of his inherent and overwhelming desire to fit in and be accepted. And even if there's not a uniformly-thinking mob, even the illusion of one can be very powerful.

It's not that I really disagree with you or think that we don't have things much better here in the US than people do pretty much everywhere else in the world. However, I do feel the need to disabuse people of the notion that the US is perfect or even approximately so, or even as perfect as it could realistically be. Patriotism is good, but when you become blind to reality, it becomes a hindrance.

 

[StormRider]

<< More importantly, now that I understand the poll was in Arab and Muslim countries, why should I give a damn?
>>



I think we should all give a damn. If the majority of people in Arab and Muslim countries hate us so much and refuse to even acknowledge that their own people are responsible for the events of Sept 11 (and going into extremes with conspiracy theories about how it is an evil plot of the Jews), we'll probably see more terrorists acts aimed at us.