Was an arab group responsible for the september 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks against the U.S.

[Texmaster]

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<< More importantly, now that I understand the poll was in Arab and Muslim countries, why should I give a damn?
>>



I think we should all give a damn. If the majority of people in Arab and Muslim countries hate us so much and refuse to even acknowledge that their own people are responsible for the events of Sept 11 (and going into extremes with conspiracy theories about how it is an evil plot of the Jews), we'll probably see more terrorists acts aimed at us. >>



No Doubt its scary Storm but the day I trust a CNN poll for accuracy and fairness is the day I vote for Ted Kennedy.

 

[Raspewtin]

<< No Doubt its scary Storm but the day I trust a CNN poll for accuracy and fairness is the day I vote for Ted Kennedy. >>



Gallup and CNN, another two members in the Vast Left Winged Conspiracy.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< No Doubt its scary Storm but the day I trust a CNN poll for accuracy and fairness is the day I vote for Ted Kennedy. >>



Gallup and CNN, another two members in the Vast Left Winged Conspiracy. >>



All the proof I need is in the ratings

But how about some links?

Link

Link

Link

 

[Raspewtin]

lol. still waiting for your evidence that Gallup (the ones who actually did this poll) are politically aligned to the left and neither fair or accurate. But then why comment on those who actually did the poll when you can instead whine and cry about those who reported it?

Or we could would wait for the impartial Fox News to report it. LMAO. BTW I'm still waiting for a response to that one after providing you with "the ratings" and ample proof. For some reason you became oddly silent in that thread after the proof you were demanding was provided for you.

 

[Optimus]

I think Moony's post there was sarcasm. If he'd been serious, he would've posted something 8x as long and completely unintelligible.

 

[Texmaster]

<< lol. still waiting for your evidence that Gallup (the ones who actually did this poll) are politically aligned to the left and neither fair or accurate. But then why comment on those who actually did the poll when you can instead whine and cry about those who reported it? >>



Opps! That is my mistake. I thought it Was a CNN poll.



<< Or we could would wait for the impartial Fox News to report it. LMAO. BTW I'm still waiting for a response to that one after providing you with "the ratings" and ample proof. For some reason you became oddly silent in that thread after the proof you were demanding was provided for you. >>



LOL What are you talking about? You haven't made a post linking to any ratings here! LOL


And since you rbought it up little buddy, why are you running away from links I posted about CNN? LOL

And my links actually EXIST on this thread! HAHHAHA

 

[rahvin]

Gallup is very good, true statastical sampling and very well written polling methods and trained pollers. The error factors they give are usually right on the money. I've yet to see them miss an election tally (within their error limit). I would take their poll as a good statstical sampling of opinions of the 9 muslim nations surveyed.

 

[MF1]

<< Gallup is very good, true statastical sampling and very well written polling methods and trained pollers. The error factors they give are usually right on the money. I've yet to see them miss an election tally (within their error limit). I would take their poll as a good statstical sampling of opinions of the 9 muslim nations surveyed. >>



agreed.

Interestingly, NATO ally, Turkey, had the favorable opinion of the US only at 40 percent plus or minus 4 %. This should mean something.

 

[DaejangNim]

I think most of the Arab people take it the same way I see the question: The group was not defined by being Arab, they were a Muslim group, even though they were mostly Arab, there's no reason you couldn't be white or black and still join them if you're muslim

 

[Red Dawn]

Like I said earlier, they couldn't possibly think any less of the Americans than the Americans think of them. They may hate us but to most Americans they are below contempt. It's almost as if the Majority of Americans look at them like they were Animals, incapable of reason.

 

[StormRider]

<< I think most of the Arab people take it the same way I see the question: The group was not defined by being Arab, they were a Muslim group, even though they were mostly Arab, there's no reason you couldn't be white or black and still join them if you're muslim

>>



That's something that I thought was odd about the wording of the questionaire. It's not an Arab terrorist group -- it's an Islamic terrorist group that was responsible. As noted in Afghanistan, we saw Chinese, Austrialian, and British Muslim among the al Qaeda members. It's not really an Arab thing (although most of them were Saudi Arabian) -- it's more a radical/extremist Islamic thing.

Maybe they thought it would be more PC to use a racial rather than a religious label.

 

[Zim Hosein]

<< << This thread should be locked IMHO. >>
Why's that? >>


b0mbrman, the reason I personally thought that this thread should be locked was due to my reading of Moonbeam's post [Nothing personal Moonbeam]. I just found that the post, while it was Moonbeam's opinion, was utterly lacking in taste IMHO. To me it seemed like a "conspiracy theory" that made a joke of what happened on 9-11. I do not hold any ill will against anyone here, I just personally do not like seeing anything that makes the events of 9-11 a joke. If I'm being too "touchy," then maybe I am. Thanks for your time.

 

[tcsenter]

<< I think we should all give a damn. If the majority of people in Arab and Muslim countries hate us so much and refuse to even acknowledge that their own people are responsible for the events of Sept 11 (and going into extremes with conspiracy theories about how it is an evil plot of the Jews), we'll probably see more terrorists acts aimed at us. >>

Of course we will, what part of "likely threat of future terrorist attacks" don't you understand? Did you think these people were "done" on Sept. 11?

But I don't give a damn about what these backwards cult-worshipping asswipes think, do you? You don't 'appease' stupidity, you bomb it.

 

[etech]

Moonbeam
Since the Jews all stayed home that day I think it was Israel, but it could have been the Republicans knew it was comming but didn't warn anybody cause they wanted an excuse to get a pipeline through Afghanistan. They would have drugged the Arabs and got them on the plane to make it look like Arabs. I heard it could be the Illuminati too and black Ops helecopter people.

I think I know where Moonie is getting his information.

U.S. Extremists, Terror Groups Eyed

"In the aftermath of Sept. 11, some American white supremacists have written pieces aimed at Middle Eastern or Muslim audiences that blame the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on U.S. politicians and Israel.

"The real reason we have suffered the terrorism of the WTC attack is shockingly simple," former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke wrote in one such piece. "Too many American politicians have treasonously betrayed the American people by blindly supporting the leading terrorist nation on earth: Israel."
"

 

[Tominator]

<< I've yet to see them miss an election tally (within their error limit). >>



The Zogby Poll made a name for themselves for being MORE accurate that Gallup in election polls and ...you've yet?

 

[Zim Hosein]

That's some interesting reading etech, thank you.

 

[Pocatello]

It's difficult for them to throw away beliefs that had been drilled into their brains since birth. America is controlled by Jews, and Jews are controlled by Satan. Funny thing is, our supposed ally, the Saudi government use billions of dollars to set religious school around the world to hate Americans and Jews.

 

[bonk102]

good article, but questions like this are just asking for problems, my 2 cents

 

[xyyz]

even though I am considered liberal... and some morons have even gone as far to say that I "hate the US" I must point out that you sorta' mislead in your post.

this poll polls muslims, therefore this response is only natural.

"Most Muslims surveyed expressed the view that the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States were not justified morally, but larger majorities labeled U.S. military action in Afghanistan "morally unjustifiable."

Sixty-one percent said they did not believe Arab groups carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks. "

 

[xyyz]

<< At first, I thought this was a poll of U.S. residents and I was a bit shocked. But, now that I understand the poll was conducted in ARAB and MUSLIM countries who have high rates of illiteracy and whose media is replete with anti-US indoctrination, I'm a bit suprised the result wasn't more like 75%. >>



this is an ignorant statement... while the fact that there is a high rate of illiteracy may be true, it has nothing to do with these poll numbers. just because someone hold a different view than yours, it doesn't mean they are illiterate, it simply means they see things in another way.



<< More importantly, now that I understand the poll was in Arab and Muslim countries, why should I give a damn? >>



because it's good to know the world's reaction, since the US deals alot with the Arab world, Saudi in particular.

also, if you didn't care what they think... why say anything about this at all?

 

[xyyz]

<< well technically osama is (or was, maybe the bastard is dead) a saudi arabian. and it is (or was) his group that planned and executed the attack. so, yes, its sort of reasonable for al-qaeda to be seen as an arab group. i don't know the ethnic makeup of al-qaeda, do you? >>



dunno about this... Saudi Arabian would indicate a nationality, not an ethnicity... he's a Semitic person.

he has no nationality, so it's not exactly accurate to say he's a saudi arabian... because that indicates indirectly that the saudi government supported his actions... well imho anyways.

as for Al Queeda... doesn't the organization have people from every corner of the world?

 

[xyyz]

<< "In the aftermath of Sept. 11, some American white supremacists have written pieces aimed at Middle Eastern or Muslim audiences that blame the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on U.S. politicians and Israel.

"The real reason we have suffered the terrorism of the WTC attack is shockingly simple," former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke wrote in one such piece. "Too many American politicians have treasonously betrayed the American people by blindly supporting the leading terrorist nation on earth: Israel."
" >>



muhahahahahaha

what is this world comming to when you have white supremacists siding with the Arabs?

 

[tcsenter]

<< this is an ignorant statement... while the fact that there is a high rate of illiteracy may be true, it has nothing to do with these poll numbers. just because someone hold a different view than yours, it doesn't mean they are illiterate, it simply means they see things in another way. >>

Actually, its quite an informed statement. Illiteracy breeds the sort seething ignorance and enables the type of indoctrination that is rampant in the Arab world. While I don't fault anyone for having a different 'view' than my own, the fact remains that some 'views' are better than others, because they are more informed.

 

[xyyz]

<<

<< this is an ignorant statement... while the fact that there is a high rate of illiteracy may be true, it has nothing to do with these poll numbers. just because someone hold a different view than yours, it doesn't mean they are illiterate, it simply means they see things in another way. >>

Actually, its quite an informed statement. Illiteracy breeds the sort seething ignorance and enables the type of indoctrination that is rampant in the Arab world. While I don't fault anyone for having a different 'view' than my own, the fact remains that some 'views' are better than others, because they are more informed. >>



absolutely not... they have their view based on what they are told just they way we have our views based on what we are told.

their sources come up with evidence refuting our facts... just like we have evidence refuting their facts.

the fact remains that views are different... and that's all they are.

 

[tcsenter]

<< absolutely not... they have their view based on what they are told just they way we have our views based on what we are told. >>

Well once again I learn the consequences of arguing with an idiot. I don't base my views on what "I'm told". I based them on what I KNOW (which is not necessarily what I'm "told").