Was an arab group responsible for the september 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks against the U.S.

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etech

Lifer
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Illiteracy breeds the sort seething ignorance and enables the type of indoctrination that is rampant in the Arab world.

And sometimes it is the act of learning that is the problem.

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xyyz

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<< absolutely not... they have their view based on what they are told just they way we have our views based on what we are told. >>

Well once again I learn the consequences of arguing with an idiot. I don't base my views on what "I'm told". I based them on what I KNOW (which is not necessarily what I'm "told").
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*yawn*

i recently learned that different views should be respected.. but someone who puts you down because you don't share their argument shouldn't. you fit that catagory.

the only idiot here is you and you have the closed-minded ignorance to back it. you haven't proven anything other than the fact... you don't have the mental capacity to expand beyond the intellectual rut you call home.

what do you know? please enlighten us... and then tell us what THEY know... since you seem to be expressing your great knowledge in this matter.
 

SagaLore

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<< from CNN:

Sixty-one percent said they did not believe Arab groups carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Man, these people sure need some other news source. Can we really hope to accomplish anything in Afghanistan beyond ripping apart al-qaida? This was probably a fairly small sampling. The article says nearly 10,000 people were polled, but that not all of the same questions were asked. I figured there would be some holdouts who refuse to believe the reasons why we bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, but 61%?

Edit: crap I fixed the link too! and I removed the word 'Poll' because it was causing to much confusion.
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Sixty-one percent of "who?" Kindgarten students? Afghanistans? Santa's elves? You can't just give a statistic like that. It makes a world of different who was included in the poll.
 

Zim Hosein

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<< Sixty-one percent of "who?" >>


That's a good point SagaLore, I can't find any source that states what "type"' [for lack of a better word] of people were polled. That info would be quite useful in this discussion.
 

etech

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Gallup.com
"In possibly the most challenging project in Gallup?s history, 10,000 people in nine predominantly Islamic countries were interviewed. In December 2001 and January 2002, researchers conducted hour-long, in-person interviews in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco. Your paid subscription to Gallup's Tuesday Briefing premium service grants you access to the following analyses of the 2002 Gallup Poll of the Islamic World. "

I don't have a paid subscription to Gallup so I cannot answer your question directly. I will say that Gallup's business is polling. It would be interesting to know who they interviewed but not knowing does not invalidate their results.


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I'm curious if anyone read the above article and what you thought of if.
 

Squisher

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When I read Moonbeam's post I thought it was over top even for Moonbeam. That had to be sarcasm. *Squisher shakes his head*

etech, hehehehe
Moonbeam=white supremacists
I guess if you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas
 

Moonbeam

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Oh man, I wrote a nice big post a couple of days ago to calm down Zim Hosein, but I got so excited trying to pull one of the lines to add to my sig, the 'fool one' that I lost the whole post. What a bummer. I guess Squisher, you put be back over the top and I'll summarize it as best I remember.

Briefly, my point was that like Democrats who refused to see what a moral leper Clinton was in the sex department, and like Republicans who can't see what a simpleton Bush is, large numbers in the Moslem world also cannot see the obvious. This is how people are who choose teams, who base the quality of their identity on external factors. As soon as you say you are a 'something or other' it then becosme a requirement to defend that 'something or other' from any criticism. The reason for this is that people everywhere hate themselves, don't know it, and don't want to know it. Identification is the means by which they escape the feeling of personal worthlessness and suplant it with surrogate honors. I am a Moslem, I am an American, I am blah blan blah. Any attack on the surrogate threatens to force people to reexperience, awaken to, how bad they feel about themselves. This sickness is provound and universal. We are all the same. No amount of words, the profound logic that this concept has in explaining a huge portion of human behavior, will convince almost nobody, because the motivation not to know what we are feeling is massive. For anybody who wishes to affect heman consciousness upwardly, the challenges are immense. One avenue of potential, is the mirror, seeing yourself in the reflection of somebody like you but even more around the bend. Sometimes people turn back at a real sight of themselves. At least the vision can shock and arouse thought and maybe even introspection.

Somewhere in expressing that idea I came up with 'A dramaticaly overemphasized fool is the best illuminator of lesser foolishness.' which I decided to add to my sig as an additional clue to the possible intention of my post.


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Siddhartha

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You should include "not certain" as a choice in your poll.

What evidence have you seen that proves that a specific group of people did it? The only thing I have seen was that video of Bin laden supposedly bragging about the attacks. Since I did not understand the language he was speaking I can only repeat what the media reported about the tape.
 

drewshin

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i had a good feeling moonbeam's post was sarcasm...he mentioned illuminati...isn't that the fictional group of "elites" in the tomb raider movie?

 

iampants

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what 'liberal media'? The media industry as a whole has become too competative to have a stance anymore: everybody has to report the same stories to avoid getting 'scooped', reguardless of polls, the opinions of the writers &c, or the 'princilpes' that the group was founded on. It is a scary thought, but the vast, VAST majority of our news is effectivly coming from two people: AOL and Microsoft. yup, AOL/Time Warner owns CNN, Time, USA Today, to name a few. and Microsoft has MSNBC, Newsweek, and I think one of the 'liberal' east-coast newspapers (i.e. washington post, new york times kinda paper.)
two people... to make it worse, both of whom had justice department lawsuits hanging over their heads (I remember reading on the register that AOL/TW was being investigatied as part of the American recording group--whatever it is offically called-- for price-fixing of CDs...)
I wish there were a liberal media, but such a concept seems to have been left to the comic strips of Doonsberry and Boondocks....
we need to BBC...






<< Another idiotic 'Poll' by the Liberal Media.....Gallup loses more credibility that ever and after 8 years of them polling everyday maybe they are just trying a 'comeback.'

Arab Terrorists?

That's like calling all Blacks in America responsible for Terrorism aka Black Panthers....

Any thinking person only somewhat knowlegable would refuse to vote at all.:|

Remember, most of the Muslem World has no 'Free Press' as we know it in the West.
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Moonbeam

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etech, I got the same impression when I glanced over the site. I picked illuminati along with black helicopters as two random examples of what I consider to be lunatic conspiratorial thinking. I'm not in to either and hadn't guessed the Jew angle. Wasn't a good choice, I see, to refute the KKK rap. Hope you can't pin the black helicopters on the same bias.
 

Tominator

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<< I wish there were a liberal media >>



That has been demonstrated more times than you can count. Several good books on this very subject are currently at or near New York Times Best Seller status.

ABC, CBS, NBC are at all time lows in viewership and CNN doesn't even rate. All are viewed as somewhat Liberal.

To just state that because of certain stockholdings proves no Liberal bias is a very over simplistic statement.
 

iampants

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you have got to be kidding: watch a 30 minute newscast from the BBC, then look at CNN-- CNN is not liberal (in comparison, its really not much on the news either, but that's a different issue). I am looking at it like this:
given all of the major news outlets in the US, and look at what they've covered over the past two years. everything from the new york times to ABC's 'weekly world news' show at 4:00am cover the same things to relatively the same degree.
Why is this? because news can no longer choose to be liberal or conservative. To keep viewers--and in turn advertisers--they need to write on any major story, reguardless of their opinions.
No 'liberal media' outlet would delve into stuff like the sex-habbit of Clinton and Condit: truly liberal media would be pursing the connections between political donors and political policy, resistance to Bush's Energy plan, the repealing of the alternative minimum tax, etc. yet we don't hear this very much.
it is not because they are conservative media as much as they are forced to cover everything, and the companies that own them (e.g. AOL and Microsoft) don't want to bring up issues that may hurt them in the future (e.g. campaign finance reform).
and the main reason I wish there were a liberal media is that I may then be able to get a job... yeah, the economy is picking up again... no really, Greenspan doesn't lie...




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<< I wish there were a liberal media >>



That has been demonstrated more times than you can count. Several good books on this very subject are currently at or near New York Times Best Seller status.

ABC, CBS, NBC are at all time lows in viewership and CNN doesn't even rate. All are viewed as somewhat Liberal.

To just state that because of certain stockholdings proves no Liberal bias is a very over simplistic statement.
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Tominator

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<< you have got to be kidding: watch a 30 minute newscast from the BBC, then look at CNN-- CNN is not liberal (in comparison, its really not much on the news either, but that's a different issue). I am looking at it like this >>



For eight long years CNN was know far and wide as the 'Clinton News Network.' Their ratings plummeted and are at rock boittom now, yet you say that all report the same thing...



<< given all of the major news outlets in the US, and look at what they've covered over the past two years. everything from the new york times to ABC's 'weekly world news' show at 4:00am cover the same things to relatively the same degree. >>



There are 15 or 20 sources that could be considered 'major news outlets.' They vary a great amount in content....I'll grant that ABC, CBS, and NBC are near clones, but the have a sliding viewership...



<< show at 4:00am cover the same things to relatively the same degree.Why is this? because news can no longer choose to be liberal or conservative. To keep viewers--and in turn advertisers--they need to write on any major story, reguardless of their opinions. >>



Your head is stuck in the said....Ever hear of FOX?




<< No 'liberal media' outlet would delve into stuff like the sex-habbit of Clinton and Condit: truly liberal media would be pursing the connections between political donors and political policy, resistance to Bush's Energy plan, the repealing of the alternative minimum tax, etc. yet we don't hear this very much. >>



You can't be for real! As long as it's only sex it can do little damage, but breaking the law is another thing entirely. In this morning's St. Louis Post Dispatch there are at least 5 articles dealing with Campaign Finance Reform and almost as mant dealing with Bush's energy plan...which has been discussed far and wide all week.

Campaign Finance Reform has been an issue for over 2 years and is front page news in every paper in the nation on a dauly basis and discussed in ever medium possible near endlessly....

You are not living in the same world as I!
 
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