God is this thread flypaper for stupid people? Do you understand the difference between being insured and having claims denied, and being uninsured?
God is this thread flypaper for stupid people? Do you understand the difference between being insured and having claims denied, and being uninsured?Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Thousands?
Lack of Medical Insurance Killing 18,000 Americans a Year, Local Physician Says
"A solid 50 percent of the people who don't have health insurance are employed, some at more than one job," said Stone, an emergency department physician at Bloomington Hospital and medical director of the hospital's Community Health Access Program. "They can't get insurance either because their employer doesn't offer it, or they can't afford their share of the premiums."
That link took all of 10 seconds to find.
Originally posted by: alchemize
God is this thread flypaper for stupid people? Do you understand the difference between being insured and having claims denied, and being uninsured?Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Thousands?
Lack of Medical Insurance Killing 18,000 Americans a Year, Local Physician Says
"A solid 50 percent of the people who don't have health insurance are employed, some at more than one job," said Stone, an emergency department physician at Bloomington Hospital and medical director of the hospital's Community Health Access Program. "They can't get insurance either because their employer doesn't offer it, or they can't afford their share of the premiums."
That link took all of 10 seconds to find.
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Do I think McCain and/or Palin would be doing a better job? Hehe yeah right.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
I toally agree!!!
Plus those who might be ashamed the voted for Obama do not live in the real world!
Change takes time. Sure there will be hiccups and other issues and they might even need to try something different. If you expected immediate change then perhaps the problem is not with Obama but with your expectations!!
Change may take time, but apparently spending trillions of dollars and running up our debt takes no time at all, and any spending bills which cross his desk no matter how large, or how complex, get approved nearly immediately. Change may take time, paying off Obama's spending spree may take generations.
your point??
OK I'll keep playing even though you're being obtuse. So we have two pools of people here:Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: alchemize
God is this thread flypaper for stupid people? Do you understand the difference between being insured and having claims denied, and being uninsured?Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Thousands?
Lack of Medical Insurance Killing 18,000 Americans a Year, Local Physician Says
"A solid 50 percent of the people who don't have health insurance are employed, some at more than one job," said Stone, an emergency department physician at Bloomington Hospital and medical director of the hospital's Community Health Access Program. "They can't get insurance either because their employer doesn't offer it, or they can't afford their share of the premiums."
That link took all of 10 seconds to find.
Yep.
Do you understand that people with jobs can't afford insurance and when they can it's often crappy insurance and the insurance companies find any excuse or reason to delay treatment that they can? Profits before people is their motto.
Originally posted by: alchemize
OK I'll keep playing even though you're being obtuse. So we have two pools of people here:Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: alchemize
God is this thread flypaper for stupid people? Do you understand the difference between being insured and having claims denied, and being uninsured?Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Thousands?
Lack of Medical Insurance Killing 18,000 Americans a Year, Local Physician Says
"A solid 50 percent of the people who don't have health insurance are employed, some at more than one job," said Stone, an emergency department physician at Bloomington Hospital and medical director of the hospital's Community Health Access Program. "They can't get insurance either because their employer doesn't offer it, or they can't afford their share of the premiums."
That link took all of 10 seconds to find.
Yep.
Do you understand that people with jobs can't afford insurance and when they can it's often crappy insurance and the insurance companies find any excuse or reason to delay treatment that they can? Profits before people is their motto.
1) People that have had claims denied for life-threatening illness (insured) that died.
2) People that have had insurance denied (uninsured), and subsequently have life threatening illnesses that go untreated/treated too late and died.
Two is a subset of 3, uninsured people, who you reference in your ZOMG EVIL PROFITS rant.
So, prove that "thousands" die in one and two. Easy enough?
The largest survey ever of American physicians' opinions on health-care financing has found that 59 percent of doctors support government legislation to establish national health insurance while only 32 percent oppose it. A similar survey conducted by the IU researchers in 2002 found 49 percent of physicians supporting national health insurance and 40 percent opposing it.
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The latest survey indicated that 83 percent of psychiatrists, 69 percent of emergency medicine physicians, 65 percent of pediatricians, 64 percent of internists, 60 percent of family physicians, and 55 percent of general surgeons favor government action to establish national health insurance.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: alchemize
Anything to back that up?Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I believe that Obama believe that he is doing what he believe is best for the country. However, from what I can see, what he did can not be possibility for the best of the country. I do nto hate Obama, I hate his policy. His main talking point every sincer the campaign are education, green energy, and free health care. They are sound idea but also impossible to pull off.
For example, education, it is important, yes, but putting more money in it is not going to do anything if the students ain't willing to learn. I went to one of my city best public school with entrance exam so I was relatively well off, but from what other people tell me of the lower end high school, the students behave pretty bad there. Putting more money in it is not going to made those trouble maker willing to learn. Making the school year longer is not going to do much either. You can push all those materials to student throat but if they ain't listening it is goign to do nothing but waste tax payer money.
Green Energy. If we truly want green energy that do not made co2, we already have one, Nuclear, yet the government do not want to pursue it. Plenty of nation are already using it to provide cheap energy to its people yet why not us as well? Conclusion is, government do not want us to have access to cheap and good energy source since once we have that, government will no longer have the basis to tell its people what temperature to set their a/c or heating.
Health care: No matter how much Obama spin it, I still do not believe that UHC is the solution we need in US. It will cost us trillion to overhurl our health care system and honestly, I think we can spend the money better else where.
You think that money could be better spent than towards giving people easier and cheaper access to HEALTH CARE!?
So, having corporations with profit and bottom lines as their goal denying people insurance and claims, killing thousands each year, shouldn't be removed. Better money spent elsewhere? What is better than saving peoples' lives instead of profit?
/crickets
//moron
You want proof that insurances deny insurance and claims to people, killing them? Do you have any idea how many people get denied claims for cancer treatment, etc?
Are you serious?
http://www.kmbc.com/health/18017742/detail.html
http://www.justhealthnow.org/S...r-Treatment-Claim.html
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http://www.bio-medicine.org/me...mpany-Tuesday-14982-1/
http://www.selectsmart.com/DIS...d.php?16,689927,690443
Want more? Took me 30 seconds on google to find. And that is just denying for cancer.
Oh wait, you already predeclared crickets and name called!
You found 5 anecdotes.
First link person got the experimental treatment anyhow, still died.
2nd link, person got the experimental treatment, didn't die.
3rd link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
You found one where the person got denied, still got the treatment, and still died. You didn't even provide one single link of where the claim denial killed a person. So I await your evidence of thousands.
/re-crickets
//stop making ridiculous claims and I'll quite calling you a moron
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: alchemize
You found 5 anecdotes.
First link person got the experimental treatment anyhow, still died.
2nd link, person got the experimental treatment, didn't die.
3rd link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
You found one where the person got denied, still got the treatment, and still died. You didn't even provide one single link of where the claim denial killed a person. So I await your evidence of thousands.
/re-crickets
//stop making ridiculous claims and I'll quite calling you a moron
You can continue to name call, but it only makes you look like a childish fool to others, so I encourage it!
We'll wait a few more months for the bottom 4 links to die after their denied claims, then you will be satisfied.
I guess cancer will cure itself for you!
I'm sorry, but it is pretty ridiculous to argue with someone that thinks that insurers whose profits determine their actions, should be in charge of peoples' health and lives.
Additionally, you only took one sentence out of my original post and used it to argue the entire post.
That is the very definition of a straw man.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: alchemize
You found 5 anecdotes.
First link person got the experimental treatment anyhow, still died.
2nd link, person got the experimental treatment, didn't die.
3rd link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
4th link, nobody died.
You found one where the person got denied, still got the treatment, and still died. You didn't even provide one single link of where the claim denial killed a person. So I await your evidence of thousands.
/re-crickets
//stop making ridiculous claims and I'll quite calling you a moron
You can continue to name call, but it only makes you look like a childish fool to others, so I encourage it!
We'll wait a few more months for the bottom 4 links to die after their denied claims, then you will be satisfied.
I guess cancer will cure itself for you!
I'm sorry, but it is pretty ridiculous to argue with someone that thinks that insurers whose profits determine their actions, should be in charge of peoples' health and lives.
Additionally, you only took one sentence out of my original post and used it to argue the entire post.
That is the very definition of a straw man.
Well, then we'll have 5 anecdotes. Awaiting your next 1,995 links. You are the very definition of a flailing idiot who makes a statement then can't back it up.
What's funny is I am an advocate for universal health coverage, but I'm not an advocate for stupidity.
Originally posted by: chess9
The bailouts have me re-thinking my support for Obama. I suspect McCain would have been better with this ONE issue. Could we re-vote and elect McCain President of the Economy?
Actually, I can think of a few other people who would be even better than McCain, but none of them ran the NY FED, or sucked up to Goldman Sachs, or donated to Congress or the Presidential contenders.
-Robert