Originally posted by: Carmen813
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
I toally agree!!!
Plus those who might be ashamed the voted for Obama do not live in the real world!
Change takes time. Sure there will be hiccups and other issues and they might even need to try something different. If you expected immediate change then perhaps the problem is not with Obama but with your expectations!!
Change may take time, but apparently spending trillions of dollars and running up our debt takes no time at all, and any spending bills which cross his desk no matter how large, or how complex, get approved nearly immediately. Change may take time, paying off Obama's spending spree may take generations.
Guide to Fear No Evils Posts:
1.) Obama is a debt monger.
2.) Obama is a tool for the left.
3.) Lolchange.
4.) Faux outrage over future generations.
Seriously man, you've said the same thing in like 4 different posts today alone. We get it, you don't like him.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
I used to be even more anti-Obama.. but now a days when I see laid off people who use to be big Obama supporters (or still Obama supporters).. Maybe its wrong to feel this way.. But it makes me feel somewhat "satisfied".
Hey, people said that Obama was going to be bad for the economy. Whatever, right? Bankrupt those big bad companies (who by the way employee people)... Whatever.. Its like watching someone getting their arms twisted... you're waiting until they yell "Uncle", but they don't.. How much more arm twisting is needed until they yell? Who knows.. Its kind of sadistic in a way. Do they yell first or do they get their arms broken first? Who knows? I feel like an a bystander.. I want to say, "get over it.. your wrong.. move on. .and lets fix all this mess".. Instead, the person who is getting their arm twisted still refuses to capitulate. Oh, well, I may get hurt a bit in this economy, but I'm not going to be one who gets his arm broken for being obstinate.
Whatever happens in this economy, IMHO, will affect the Obama supports more than anyone. They are the one who elected him. They made their bed, now they sleep in it. So yea, I used to really be anti-Obama.. but now a little bit less. Karma baby....
If you really think that the people who have been laid off recently were laid off because of the 60 days Obama has been president, you're a moron.
Originally posted by: alchemize
He said he was going to increase the deficit 400%, and give away several trillion dollars to banks at the taxpayers expense, and incur debt faster than all presidents in history combined? I missed that in his campaign speeches.Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
Other than that he's been true to his campaign.
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Iif so, why? What has changed from the campaign to now for you to feel this way?
:laugh: You think people will willingly admit to being fooled or having buyer's remorse?
sure, why not? i bought a house at the peak of the bubble and will be the first to say that was a mistake. i have noticed however that Republicans such as yourself tend to have a difficult time admitting their mistakes. just look at GWB, in his eight years of disaster he was unable to say "i made a mistake" or "i could have done a better job" until he was headed out the door.
Damn you rode that strawman all the way home!
Bush isnt president anymore.
Originally posted by: alchemize
He said he was going to increase the deficit 400%, and give away several trillion dollars to banks at the taxpayers expense, and incur debt faster than all presidents in history combined? I missed that in his campaign speeches.Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
Other than that he's been true to his campaign.
Originally posted by: Evan
He's doing what McCain would of done, except he'll probably do it a lot better. McCain very likely would not have forced healthcare through the pipeline, but based on his record he would have tackled energy and maybe education at the same time. Of course, McCain would still not have done it at the same scale, but both sides of the political spectrum would have still bailed out these guys in the trillions. Obama's just doing it at a higher level. Which may or may not work long-term, but thankfully he's using the political capital he currently has to force through some energy, healthcare, and education changes. Risky political move in the short-term, but we'll see if it pays off over the long run. More than likely, it would work a hell of a lot better than doing nothing, which seems to be the only viable alternative the other side of the spectrum has these days.
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Evan
He's doing what McCain would of done, except he'll probably do it a lot better. McCain very likely would not have forced healthcare through the pipeline, but based on his record he would have tackled energy and maybe education at the same time. Of course, McCain would still not have done it at the same scale, but both sides of the political spectrum would have still bailed out these guys in the trillions. Obama's just doing it at a higher level. Which may or may not work long-term, but thankfully he's using the political capital he currently has to force through some energy, healthcare, and education changes. Risky political move in the short-term, but we'll see if it pays off over the long run. More than likely, it would work a hell of a lot better than doing nothing, which seems to be the only viable alternative the other side of the spectrum has these days.
Ya right if McCain was in the WH spending would be way down. There would be beautiful grid lock as far as the eye could see. Nothing would get done and we would not be spending trillions and trillions we don't have. If the republicans can get back enough of congress in the next 2 elections I would not mind Obama staying president so we can have some sweet gridlock. I just hope the republicans can get back enough seats before Obama/Pelosi/Reid bankrupt this country with reckless spending.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Evan
He's doing what McCain would of done, except he'll probably do it a lot better. McCain very likely would not have forced healthcare through the pipeline, but based on his record he would have tackled energy and maybe education at the same time. Of course, McCain would still not have done it at the same scale, but both sides of the political spectrum would have still bailed out these guys in the trillions. Obama's just doing it at a higher level. Which may or may not work long-term, but thankfully he's using the political capital he currently has to force through some energy, healthcare, and education changes. Risky political move in the short-term, but we'll see if it pays off over the long run. More than likely, it would work a hell of a lot better than doing nothing, which seems to be the only viable alternative the other side of the spectrum has these days.
Ya right if McCain was in the WH spending would be way down. There would be beautiful grid lock as far as the eye could see. Nothing would get done and we would not be spending trillions and trillions we don't have. If the republicans can get back enough of congress in the next 2 elections I would not mind Obama staying president so we can have some sweet gridlock. I just hope the republicans can get back enough seats before Obama/Pelosi/Reid bankrupt this country with reckless spending.
You're a moron. Seriously. You have no idea whatsoever how politics in this country work.
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It WAS World War I and World War II that pulled us out of depression, people know that, right? There WILL always be war, you call Iraq war useless? No one in this country have the right to call the one who die for their country useless. Think of it THIS way. There might not be hard evidence but it is can said that Saddam probably have supply money to terrorist group. WE buy their damn oil and we are supporting terrorist against ourselves as well. We get rid of Saddam and the money used on oil are no longer used to fund terrorist activity. So yes, I will say this and say this again. Iraq was might be mismanaged but it is definitely worth while.
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I believe that Obama believe that he is doing what he believe is best for the country. However, from what I can see, what he did can not be possibility for the best of the country. I do nto hate Obama, I hate his policy. His main talking point every sincer the campaign are education, green energy, and free health care. They are sound idea but also impossible to pull off.
For example, education, it is important, yes, but putting more money in it is not going to do anything if the students ain't willing to learn. I went to one of my city best public school with entrance exam so I was relatively well off, but from what other people tell me of the lower end high school, the students behave pretty bad there. Putting more money in it is not going to made those trouble maker willing to learn. Making the school year longer is not going to do much either. You can push all those materials to student throat but if they ain't listening it is goign to do nothing but waste tax payer money.
Green Energy. If we truly want green energy that do not made co2, we already have one, Nuclear, yet the government do not want to pursue it. Plenty of nation are already using it to provide cheap energy to its people yet why not us as well? Conclusion is, government do not want us to have access to cheap and good energy source since once we have that, government will no longer have the basis to tell its people what temperature to set their a/c or heating.
Health care: No matter how much Obama spin it, I still do not believe that UHC is the solution we need in US. It will cost us trillion to overhurl our health care system and honestly, I think we can spend the money better else where.
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Evan
He's doing what McCain would of done, except he'll probably do it a lot better. McCain very likely would not have forced healthcare through the pipeline, but based on his record he would have tackled energy and maybe education at the same time. Of course, McCain would still not have done it at the same scale, but both sides of the political spectrum would have still bailed out these guys in the trillions. Obama's just doing it at a higher level. Which may or may not work long-term, but thankfully he's using the political capital he currently has to force through some energy, healthcare, and education changes. Risky political move in the short-term, but we'll see if it pays off over the long run. More than likely, it would work a hell of a lot better than doing nothing, which seems to be the only viable alternative the other side of the spectrum has these days.
Ya right if McCain was in the WH spending would be way down. There would be beautiful grid lock as far as the eye could see. Nothing would get done and we would not be spending trillions and trillions we don't have. If the republicans can get back enough of congress in the next 2 elections I would not mind Obama staying president so we can have some sweet gridlock. I just hope the republicans can get back enough seats before Obama/Pelosi/Reid bankrupt this country with reckless spending.
You're a moron. Seriously. You have no idea whatsoever how politics in this country work.
You really think McCain could get a 4 freaking trillion dollar budget passed with a democratic controlled congress. If you think the answer is yes I have a nice bridge to sell you. With McCain in the WH spending would be way down compared to Obama. Hell even bush would spend less than Obama. I do love the Obamabots trying to justify bankrupting the country with trillion dollar deficits for a decade or more.
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: alchemize
He said he was going to increase the deficit 400%, and give away several trillion dollars to banks at the taxpayers expense, and incur debt faster than all presidents in history combined? I missed that in his campaign speeches.Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
Other than that he's been true to his campaign.
except for the transparent presidency thing... oh and not putting former lobbyists in his administration.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
For now, however, as we assess the "line-by-line" promise, we're faced with two very different approaches.
On the economic stimulus, Obama took a strong and vocal stand against them and showed what he could do with the power of the bully pulpit. The bill was not earmark-free as he claimed, but it was close.
The Omnibus, however, is loaded with earmarks. Obama and the White House could have used the bully pulpit to criticize them. But they have not been very critical, nor have they indicated any attempt to go "line by line" through the bill to look for wasteful programs, as Obama pledged during the campaign.
Administration budget chief Peter Orszag said, "We want to just move on. Let's get this bill done, get it into law and move forward."
For now, with those sharply different results, we find this promise deserves a Compromise. But we'll be watching this one and will revisit it later.
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Evan
He's doing what McCain would of done, except he'll probably do it a lot better. McCain very likely would not have forced healthcare through the pipeline, but based on his record he would have tackled energy and maybe education at the same time. Of course, McCain would still not have done it at the same scale, but both sides of the political spectrum would have still bailed out these guys in the trillions. Obama's just doing it at a higher level. Which may or may not work long-term, but thankfully he's using the political capital he currently has to force through some energy, healthcare, and education changes. Risky political move in the short-term, but we'll see if it pays off over the long run. More than likely, it would work a hell of a lot better than doing nothing, which seems to be the only viable alternative the other side of the spectrum has these days.
Ya right if McCain was in the WH spending would be way down. There would be beautiful grid lock as far as the eye could see. Nothing would get done and we would not be spending trillions and trillions we don't have. If the republicans can get back enough of congress in the next 2 elections I would not mind Obama staying president so we can have some sweet gridlock. I just hope the republicans can get back enough seats before Obama/Pelosi/Reid bankrupt this country with reckless spending.
You're a moron. Seriously. You have no idea whatsoever how politics in this country work.
You really think McCain could get a 4 freaking trillion dollar budget passed with a democratic controlled congress. If you think the answer is yes I have a nice bridge to sell you. With McCain in the WH spending would be way down compared to Obama. Hell even bush would spend less than Obama. I do love the Obamabots trying to justify bankrupting the country with trillion dollar deficits for a decade or more.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am so far disappointed. He is doing some interesting things. I guess he could be worse. My main complaint is the government spending on non-criticals right now like healthcare reform, which ought to wait until the economy isn't quite as screwed.
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It WAS World War I and World War II that pulled us out of depression, people know that, right? There WILL always be war, you call Iraq war useless? No one in this country have the right to call the one who die for their country useless. Think of it THIS way. There might not be hard evidence but it is can said that Saddam probably have supply money to terrorist group. WE buy their damn oil and we are supporting terrorist against ourselves as well. We get rid of Saddam and the money used on oil are no longer used to fund terrorist activity. So yes, I will say this and say this again. Iraq was might be mismanaged but it is definitely worth while.
Anything to back that up?Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I believe that Obama believe that he is doing what he believe is best for the country. However, from what I can see, what he did can not be possibility for the best of the country. I do nto hate Obama, I hate his policy. His main talking point every sincer the campaign are education, green energy, and free health care. They are sound idea but also impossible to pull off.
For example, education, it is important, yes, but putting more money in it is not going to do anything if the students ain't willing to learn. I went to one of my city best public school with entrance exam so I was relatively well off, but from what other people tell me of the lower end high school, the students behave pretty bad there. Putting more money in it is not going to made those trouble maker willing to learn. Making the school year longer is not going to do much either. You can push all those materials to student throat but if they ain't listening it is goign to do nothing but waste tax payer money.
Green Energy. If we truly want green energy that do not made co2, we already have one, Nuclear, yet the government do not want to pursue it. Plenty of nation are already using it to provide cheap energy to its people yet why not us as well? Conclusion is, government do not want us to have access to cheap and good energy source since once we have that, government will no longer have the basis to tell its people what temperature to set their a/c or heating.
Health care: No matter how much Obama spin it, I still do not believe that UHC is the solution we need in US. It will cost us trillion to overhurl our health care system and honestly, I think we can spend the money better else where.
You think that money could be better spent than towards giving people easier and cheaper access to HEALTH CARE!?
So, having corporations with profit and bottom lines as their goal denying people insurance and claims, killing thousands each year, shouldn't be removed. Better money spent elsewhere? What is better than saving peoples' lives instead of profit?
Tap your sarcasm meter...unless you are questioning he has increased the deficit that much, then just go to www.cbo.govOriginally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: alchemize
He said he was going to increase the deficit 400%, and give away several trillion dollars to banks at the taxpayers expense, and incur debt faster than all presidents in history combined? I missed that in his campaign speeches.Originally posted by: eskimospy
Nope, Obama has done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do, and it's nice to have a mature and thoughtful leader that I'm not ashamed of. I wish he were doing more to roll back Bush's assault on the 4th Amendment, but other than that I am pretty much happy with how things are going. Of course it's only been 2 months, so what can you really say?
Other than that he's been true to his campaign.
Your so full of caca it`s not even funny!!
I take it you have a link or 2 that can directly support your 400% assertion?
Originally posted by: alchemize
Anything to back that up?Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I believe that Obama believe that he is doing what he believe is best for the country. However, from what I can see, what he did can not be possibility for the best of the country. I do nto hate Obama, I hate his policy. His main talking point every sincer the campaign are education, green energy, and free health care. They are sound idea but also impossible to pull off.
For example, education, it is important, yes, but putting more money in it is not going to do anything if the students ain't willing to learn. I went to one of my city best public school with entrance exam so I was relatively well off, but from what other people tell me of the lower end high school, the students behave pretty bad there. Putting more money in it is not going to made those trouble maker willing to learn. Making the school year longer is not going to do much either. You can push all those materials to student throat but if they ain't listening it is goign to do nothing but waste tax payer money.
Green Energy. If we truly want green energy that do not made co2, we already have one, Nuclear, yet the government do not want to pursue it. Plenty of nation are already using it to provide cheap energy to its people yet why not us as well? Conclusion is, government do not want us to have access to cheap and good energy source since once we have that, government will no longer have the basis to tell its people what temperature to set their a/c or heating.
Health care: No matter how much Obama spin it, I still do not believe that UHC is the solution we need in US. It will cost us trillion to overhurl our health care system and honestly, I think we can spend the money better else where.
You think that money could be better spent than towards giving people easier and cheaper access to HEALTH CARE!?
So, having corporations with profit and bottom lines as their goal denying people insurance and claims, killing thousands each year, shouldn't be removed. Better money spent elsewhere? What is better than saving peoples' lives instead of profit?
/crickets
//moron
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: alchemize
Anything to back that up?Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I believe that Obama believe that he is doing what he believe is best for the country. However, from what I can see, what he did can not be possibility for the best of the country. I do nto hate Obama, I hate his policy. His main talking point every sincer the campaign are education, green energy, and free health care. They are sound idea but also impossible to pull off.
For example, education, it is important, yes, but putting more money in it is not going to do anything if the students ain't willing to learn. I went to one of my city best public school with entrance exam so I was relatively well off, but from what other people tell me of the lower end high school, the students behave pretty bad there. Putting more money in it is not going to made those trouble maker willing to learn. Making the school year longer is not going to do much either. You can push all those materials to student throat but if they ain't listening it is goign to do nothing but waste tax payer money.
Green Energy. If we truly want green energy that do not made co2, we already have one, Nuclear, yet the government do not want to pursue it. Plenty of nation are already using it to provide cheap energy to its people yet why not us as well? Conclusion is, government do not want us to have access to cheap and good energy source since once we have that, government will no longer have the basis to tell its people what temperature to set their a/c or heating.
Health care: No matter how much Obama spin it, I still do not believe that UHC is the solution we need in US. It will cost us trillion to overhurl our health care system and honestly, I think we can spend the money better else where.
You think that money could be better spent than towards giving people easier and cheaper access to HEALTH CARE!?
So, having corporations with profit and bottom lines as their goal denying people insurance and claims, killing thousands each year, shouldn't be removed. Better money spent elsewhere? What is better than saving peoples' lives instead of profit?
/crickets
//moron
You want proof that insurances deny insurance and claims to people, killing them? Do you have any idea how many people get denied claims for cancer treatment, etc?
Are you serious?
http://www.kmbc.com/health/18017742/detail.html
http://www.justhealthnow.org/S...r-Treatment-Claim.html
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http://www.bio-medicine.org/me...mpany-Tuesday-14982-1/
http://www.selectsmart.com/DIS...d.php?16,689927,690443
Want more? Took me 30 seconds on google to find. And that is just denying for cancer.
Oh wait, you already predeclared crickets and name called!
"A solid 50 percent of the people who don't have health insurance are employed, some at more than one job," said Stone, an emergency department physician at Bloomington Hospital and medical director of the hospital's Community Health Access Program. "They can't get insurance either because their employer doesn't offer it, or they can't afford their share of the premiums."