Was Colonialism a good thing?

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CanOWorms

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Or, western countries treat thier women like humans and not like baby factories. Getting a education and working, and using condoms to have managable sized families kind of takes a toll on birth rate.

That wasn't meant to be a serious statement. It was an example of how one could come up with a similar ridiculous claim from the other side.
 
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For the UK it was most certainly not.

For nations like India... It was the best they could ever have hoped for.

If the UK had stayed true to it's people rather than the church things would be a lot different.

The UK did stay true to its people, who thirsted for blood like no other civilization in human history.

I wonder how things will change as the UK's former slaves continue to overshadow the genocidal bloodthirsty slave master that is the UK.
 
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The UK did stay true to its people, who thirsted for blood like no other civilization in human history.

I wonder how things will change as the UK's former slaves continue to overshadow the genocidal bloodthirsty slave master that is the UK.

No it didn't, much like every war the UK has ever been involved in with the exception of the Falklands, WWII and Afghanistan the people have never been on the side of the ruling power, in this case the church.

Of course, history means nothing to twats like yourself, you are not out to discuss, just to entice, not to educate yourselves but to push your idiocy however incorrect it might be. You have to be either a fundamentalist Muslim or an Evangelical Christian... well that or just plain stupid.
 

heyheybooboo

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Thread: Was Colonialism a good thing?

Depends upon the plunder.

If a portion of the plunder is 'reinvested locally' to advance conditions, then, "Yes."

If not, it blows. It would be analogous to what was done in southern Appalachia --- suck out the resources for outside profit.





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ashishmishra

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Even rape is outlawed here, unlike in India and Darfur.

Actually, it's no laughing matter that it's allowed for higher castes in India to rape lower castes. In Darfur it's just onward christian barbarians.

Unfortunantly the Indians bring that sheit with them to the UK.

Where do you get this stuff from??

Your dislike of Indians is quite apparent. While you are welcome to your own views, distorting facts to influence other people on a public forum is something I don't quite understand.

BTW If you ever decide to do some reading of the Actual Indian Penal Code for Rape laws hosted by the Dept of Women & Children Development of the Govt. of India, here is a link for you: http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/59.pdf

I admit that there WAS a sad history of upper caste dominance in India, if you'd know people actually living in the country ground realities are now very different. It is a part of a developmental and modernization process that almost every country has gone through, some earlier than others.

Credentials to be able speak on the topic: Lived in India for the first 18 years of my life and still have family and friends living there.
 

cirrrocco

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Not his topic of rape of lower castes by higher in India?


prolly just like the rape of poor people by rich people here. rape of latinas working as house maids . etc etc.

I guess the same way lower castes are raped by higher castes in India.
 

cirrrocco

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Where do you get this stuff from??

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Aashish, dont ever talk to JOS like that. Only the white man can go into Afghanistan and rape theie people. Only the white man can go into Iraq and turn their women into hoes. Only the white man can go into Saigon and turn it into a city of major skanks.

Hush now brownie.

did you already forget he is bringing enlightenment to the uncivilized afghans.

btw when i wrote your name, I remembered shish kebab.. Mm delicious. Maybe I will go into a persian shop and rape some persian hotties.
 

peonyu

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Aashish, dont ever talk to JOS like that. Only the white man can go into Afghanistan and rape theie people. Only the white man can go into Iraq and turn their women into hoes. Only the white man can go into Saigon and turn it into a city of major skanks.

Hush now brownie.

did you already forget he is bringing enlightenment to the uncivilized afghans.

btw when i wrote your name, I remembered shish kebab.. Mm delicious. Maybe I will go into a persian shop and rape some persian hotties.


So pretty much White = bad, cause White people have the power. And i guess that power was attained in a rotten way somehow...Certainly that power has 0 to do with most of the modern technology used to take over third world countries being invented by evil whitey. But its ok, keep typing on your keyboard and computer invented by evil white people, and watching tv invented by evil whitey, its a'ok! haha. Dont forget the cars and airplanes. I usually dont respond to race based posts but ones like this are pretty hilarious.
 
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Where do you get this stuff from??

Your dislike of Indians is quite apparent. While you are welcome to your own views, distorting facts to influence other people on a public forum is something I don't quite understand.

BTW If you ever decide to do some reading of the Actual Indian Penal Code for Rape laws hosted by the Dept of Women & Children Development of the Govt. of India, here is a link for you: http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/59.pdf

I admit that there WAS a sad history of upper caste dominance in India, if you'd know people actually living in the country ground realities are now very different. It is a part of a developmental and modernization process that almost every country has gone through, some earlier than others.

Credentials to be able speak on the topic: Lived in India for the first 18 years of my life and still have family and friends living there.

It's still the same, most villages don't adhere to laws of the nation nor does the nation care about them, if you are not in a major city the law is whatever the head of the village wants it to be and most of them use the archaic caste system.

When it comes to nation wide occurances, do you think that it's by random chance that EVERYONE who is not poor in India is of a higher caste? This isn't a system you can just rid yourself of, it's been going on for so long that it will take many hundreds of years to change anything, even when it comes to regional politics.

Higher caste family or even more white? Of fucking course you never saw anything then.

That is like being Hitler Jugend or uppoer Germanic class in Nazi Germany, you think ANY of them knew what happened in Treblinka?
 
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Aashish, dont ever talk to JOS like that. Only the white man can go into Afghanistan and rape theie people. Only the white man can go into Iraq and turn their women into hoes. Only the white man can go into Saigon and turn it into a city of major skanks.

Hush now brownie.

did you already forget he is bringing enlightenment to the uncivilized afghans.

btw when i wrote your name, I remembered shish kebab.. Mm delicious. Maybe I will go into a persian shop and rape some persian hotties.

I'm not white you stupid twat, i'm Jewish by heritage and i have never raped anyone nor would i ever do that, i'm not higher caste Indian.

I love shish kebab almost as much as i love deer, marinated for a week and on the grill, regulare coal grill of course, i don't need anything as a side dish to that.

Fuck you, now i'm hungry.
 

CanOWorms

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Actually, it's no laughing matter that it's allowed for higher castes in India to rape lower castes. In Darfur it's just onward christian barbarians.

Unfortunantly the Indians bring that sheit with them to the UK.

I would think you would want them to bring caste stuff with them since it would help them integrate into UK society. The UK is the most visible caste system in the world. The system is integrated into both social and political life.

God bless the Queen, right?
 
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I would think you would want them to bring caste stuff with them since it would help them integrate into UK society. The UK is the most visible caste system in the world. The system is integrated into both social and political life.

God bless the Queen, right?

You'd think so but do you actually think we'd even keep the royalties around if they didn't produce revenue for England... here's a hint for your dumb arse... we wouldn't.

It's like having an expensive vase on your mantle piece, it's useless but others will think it's great that it's there when they come visit.

The royalties in the UK have no power, in India, they have ALL power, of course you already know this and that is why you hate India with all your heart, along with China and Japan too i suppose?

In reality we do have a kind of sheitty deal but i think that that is universal, having been born in London, brought up in Brixton no one ever thought that i'd amount to anything, no one from Brixton ever does but at least i got my house and my kids and i have more money than most people have, i own everything i have, i haven't had a credit card or ever taken a loan in my life.

If i can do that, so could you, you don't have to be 34 and in your parents basement getting fatter every day, you really don't have to do that CanOfWorms.

Oh, and no one in the UK is fascinated with the Queen, that is for you twats, so you have something to look up to or whine about. It's tradition and that is all it is.

Fuck the queen.
 

CanOWorms

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You'd think so but do you actually think we'd even keep the royalties around if they didn't produce revenue for England... here's a hint for your dumb arse... we wouldn't.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to that theory. I think not paying for their upkeep, servants/staff, opening up artwork/jewelry/palaces to the public, etc. would generate more revenue.

What revenue do they generate? Tourism? Tourists don't meet the royals and as I stated before, opening up national treasures to tourists would probably generate much more revenue. People still visit Versailles even though no royals live there.

It's like having an expensive vase on your mantle piece, it's useless but others will think it's great that it's there when they come visit.
Except this vase is a symbol of a brutal caste system.

The royalties in the UK have no power, in India, they have ALL power, of course you already know this and that is why you hate India with all your heart, along with China and Japan too i suppose?
The royalty indeed has power in the UK. Also, the royal family in Japan has even less power than the royalty in the UK. You should read up on it.

In reality we do have a kind of sheitty deal but i think that that is universal, having been born in London, brought up in Brixton no one ever thought that i'd amount to anything, no one from Brixton ever does but at least i got my house and my kids and i have more money than most people have, i own everything i have, i haven't had a credit card or ever taken a loan in my life.

If i can do that, so could you, you don't have to be 34 and in your parents basement getting fatter every day, you really don't have to do that CanOfWorms.
A caste system is not universal. You can start off with abolishing it in your government's practice. You don't have to accept the low caste they have imposed on you.

Oh, and no one in the UK is fascinated with the Queen, that is for you twats, so you have something to look up to or whine about. It's tradition and that is all it is.

Fuck the queen.
Monarchical caste systems are a barbaric tradition. They should be phased out like sepuku or sati.
 
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Sorry, I don't subscribe to that theory. I think not paying for their upkeep, servants/staff, opening up artwork/jewelry/palaces to the public, etc. would generate more revenue.

What revenue do they generate? Tourism? Tourists don't meet the royals and as I stated before, opening up national treasures to tourists would probably generate much more revenue. People still visit Versailles even though no royals live there.

Except this vase is a symbol of a brutal caste system.

The royalty indeed has power in the UK. Also, the royal family in Japan has even less power than the royalty in the UK. You should read up on it.

A caste system is not universal. You can start off with abolishing it in your government's practice. You don't have to accept the low caste they have imposed on you.

Monarchical caste systems are a barbaric tradition. They should be phased out like sepuku or sati.

So you substitute reality with your own reality just to make it seem like something it is not?

I'd agree that TRUE monarchial caste systems are a barbaric tradition, like in Japan or India, perhaps in Jemen and the SA too but in England they are just showpieces, they have absolutely no power what so ever, none, nada, zero and zilch.

As you are not interested in debating reality i'm going to put you on ignore now, when and if you are interested in actually debating the real reality instead of what you make up in your mind you can PM me, i think that will work even though you are on my ignore list, if not, ask someone else to do it.

Cheerio.
 

CanOWorms

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So you substitute reality with your own reality just to make it seem like something it is not?

I'd agree that TRUE monarchial caste systems are a barbaric tradition, like in Japan or India, perhaps in Jemen and the SA too but in England they are just showpieces, they have absolutely no power what so ever, none, nada, zero and zilch.

As you are not interested in debating reality i'm going to put you on ignore now, when and if you are interested in actually debating the real reality instead of what you make up in your mind you can PM me, i think that will work even though you are on my ignore list, if not, ask someone else to do it.

Cheerio.

It seems that you're the one out of reality here. If they have no power, why does the Queen have weekly meetings with the Prime Minister? That sort of access, giving by hereditary reasons here, is quite powerful. Is having to pay taxes on a voluntary basis not power? Is being an automatic millionaire/billionaire based on your birth not power?

The UK monarchy is not only the perfect example of a caste system practiced socially and politically, but also an example of sex discrimination and religious discrimination.

Also, we need to remember that this caste system goes beyond then just the royal family of the Queen. Let us not forget the hereditary peers and such.
 
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Craig234

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It's pretty bad that in 2010 we're debating the topic that colonialism was bad. Somuch of our society is so backwards and so ignorant.
 
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It's pretty bad that in 2010 we're debating the topic that colonialism was bad. Somuch of our society is so backwards and so ignorant.

Well for everyone in the US it is a good thing, no colonialism does equal no USA after all.

And the most violent takeover of land, the largest genocide of a native population and the most ruthless methods all come from there...

Smallpox infested blankets is a thing that the Americans today think of as an act of heroism.

It's quite funny how the young americans are taught, that they saved Europe from the Nazis even though Roosevelt said that they would never go to war, well before the attack and then the declaration of war by Germany on the US, i suppose that is when you said to yourselves, hey, let's go save Europe?


Or the nukes you dropped because Japan would not give up their emperor, well they didn't give up their emperor afterwards either but that was a-ok then. It's not like the US got a new toy they wanted to show off or anything like that, nah, not at all, it saved millions of lives dropping the nukes, yeah.

It's as if Germany would say that we have become a great nation because of Hitler and we only killed those Jews to save people, it would have been the exact same thing, equally untrue lies spread but in the case of the US, no one cares.

When i grew up i thought the US was an exemplary nation, that has changed, with information the lies start to crackle and with the Iraq war the US showed it's true ugly face. The US will do as it pleases, all other supported reichs have done the same but when you review history that is where they have all failed. Push the EU closer towards each other and you are no longer a super power, with a larger economy, population and a military that has been used to being deployed overseas the EU could rather swiftly become a power that outdoes all other current powers.

For fucks sake, the US needs Spec Op from the UK to do the ground work as it is, the Seals or Deltas are not good enough for that.
 

Craig234

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Well for everyone in the US it is a good thing, no colonialism does equal no USA after all.

I see I need to define my terms.

When I say colonialism, I'm talking about the use of superior force, used or threatened, implicitly or explicitly, to have a coercive, exploitave relationship between a greater and subservient nation.

This usually took the form of occupation and/or puppet governments; starting the 60's, someone n Elgland compliments the US for reinventing colonialism as 'economic colonialism', which isn't entirely the same.

The British could have created, well, 'colonies' outside my definition had they peacefull co-existed with the natives. They didn't exacly 'occupy' the natives; they either co-existed, or killed them.

There wasn't really much colonialism per se, just neigbor and genocide.

And the most violent takeover of land, the largest genocide of a native population and the most ruthless methods all come from there...

I'm not keeping score. It was very bad, but not so much 'colonialism'; I don't think there's all that much debate whether the Europeans were good for the natives.

In fact, the natives were good for the Europeans. The founding fathers were much influenced by the governments of the natives in designig ours.

In particular the Iroquois, with whom Benjamin Franklin lived for a period to learn abtou their politics.

Smallpox infested blankets is a thing that the Americans today think of as an act of heroism.

Very few do. For what it's worth, I'm not sure how widespread a practice that was.

It's quite funny how the young americans are taught, that they saved Europe from the Nazis even though Roosevelt said that they would never go to war, well before the attack and then the declaration of war by Germany on the US, i suppose that is when you said to yourselves, hey, let's go save Europe?

Theres a funny story about WWI, too. It involves a US president saying we will not get involved and then getting in at the last minute.

There's an awfully big misunderstanding about WWII by most Americans, as there in most participants (maybe not England?), as I've posted here before.

Remember my thread asking what percent of the allied casualties were US, English and British? Not many have any clue it's 2 or 3% each.

Or the nukes you dropped because Japan would not give up their emperor, well they didn't give up their emperor afterwards either but that was a-ok then. It's not like the US got a new toy they wanted to show off or anything like that, nah, not at all, it saved millions of lives dropping the nukes, yeah.

I need to re-check the history on the peace offer with maintaining the emperor being real. If it was and ignored, what a terrible waste.

There was a terrible war mindset that had taken over by then. People like Howard Zinn havewritten of the mindset war brings, the desensitization, the dehumanization.

The nuclear weapons were just not that big a deal to use.

Sadly, that didn't change for a long time. The US had a scanfdalous hair-trigger first-strike nuclear use policy in the 50's, with authorization delegated to commanders and by them to lower commanders, where aggression by the Soviets with conventonalforces could trigger a complete nuclear response by the US - with the nuking of every realy city in China as part of the plan even though they had nothing to do with it - and the primary motivation was to save on our conventional military costs.

That should be a war crime.

It's as if Germany would say that we have become a great nation because of Hitler and we only killed those Jews to save people, it would have been the exact same thing, equally untrue lies spread but in the case of the US, no one cares.

When i grew up i thought the US was an exemplary nation, that has changed, with information the lies start to crackle and with the Iraq war the US showed it's true ugly face. The US will do as it pleases, all other supported reichs have done the same but when you review history that is where they have all failed. Push the EU closer towards each other and you are no longer a super power, with a larger economy, population and a military that has been used to being deployed overseas the EU could rather swiftly become a power that outdoes all other current powers.

Some irony in the US and the EU, home of the WW's and much other fun, sort of switching places.

For fucks sake, the US needs Spec Op from the UK to do the ground work as it is, the Seals or Deltas are not good enough for that.

Be careful what you wish for. Ever hear of Blackwater/Xe? You want them to get more funding?
 
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