Was Hitler a Christian?

[rudeguy]

I have read both that he was and that he wasn't. I don't really see how he could be with what he did.

 

[destrekor]

He was a Hitlerian

 

[miketheidiot]

he was

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I don't really see how he could be with what he did.

Why not?

 

[moshquerade]

he was a model Christian. : /

 

[TehMac]

He was an Occultist. Mainly he was crazy. He was raised a Catholic, but adopted his own ideas that appealed to the neo-paganism of 1930's Germany. Essentially he was an Atheist.

 

[SlitheryDee]

He said he was in several speeches, but he may have just been an opportunistic liar. He definitely used his people's christian faith to help unite them to his cause whether he believed what he was saying or not.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: TehMac
He was an Occultist. Mainly he was crazy. He was raised a Catholic, but adopted his own ideas that appealed to the neo-paganism of 1930's Germany. Essentially he was an Atheist.

occultism and paganism, even if true, are not atheism. furthermore, occultism and paganism are not completely incompatible with christianity. For instance, anyone that believes in ghosts is an occultist.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

No point really. Sometimes things get rolling around inside my head and I ask for ATOT's input. I have other places that I post the more out there questions I come up with.

 

[IGBT]

..he was a liberal.

 

[silent tone]

Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not. So what's the point?

Sure he was. He was just more of a fan of the OT genocidal god.

 

[IGBT]

... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.? Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

Look, I see the "no true scotsman" fallacy being bandied about here a lot. Obviously, it is possible for someone to believe one thing and act completely contrary to their beliefs. He sometimes claimed to be christian and sometimes indicated that he wasn't. I think the real answer is that whether or not he was christian is irrelevant to ANY argument and there is no good reason to discuss his faith or lack thereof.

If someone tries to say "well hitler was a christian" or "well hitler was an atheist", they are already making a fallacious argument and should be called on it. Clearly, Hitler's actions were not a result of his belief in god or lack thereof, they were caused by his megalomania and tendency to believe in conspiracy fantasy.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

Left turn, Clyde. Over to P&N you go!

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?<< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

:roll: Jesus fucking Christ. People are actually having this argument? Hitler was Hitler. He was a crazy lunatic dictator. Trying to compare him to American liberals or conservatives is asinine and pointless.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

lololol

 

[nageov3t]

nominally.

 

[Red Squirrel]

He possibly could be a Christian. To God, all sin is equal. We can't really comprehend that as to us, killing people is WAY worse then stealing a bag of chips from the store, and yes it is worse, but either one is a sin, and is impurity, which deserves hell.

Thankfully if you believe Jesus died on the cross and ask him to forgive your sins that makes you a Christian. It's really that easy, so even Hitler could possibly do it.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

Even satan himself knows that jesus christ is the son of god. It takes a bit more than that to declare yourself a christian.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

Ok, but hypothetically speaking, what about Satan? What if Satan knows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, does that make him a Christian?

 

[jagec]

This is an impossible question to answer, since it depends entirely on your definition.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

Ok, but hypothetically speaking, what about Satan? What if Satan knows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, does that make him a Christian?

Satan doesn't exist.

 

[Kirby]

At this point, I really don't think it matters.