Was the 2024 election stolen?

[MrSquished]

I mean Trump gave Elon credit for PA, and some people are saying you know?

Let's see what we got because this is what I randomly stumbled across today. Feel free to do with it what you will

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www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com

 

[Paratus]

I’ll have to take a look. Before doing that proof would have to address the following:

• Explain how the vote and exit polling were manipulated as I don’t remember anyone commenting the vote was going Trump while the exit polling was going Harris
• Explain how they kept voting shenanigans quiet across multiple counties in multiple states. The larger a conspiracy the larger the risk it leaks.

 

[JTsyo]

I’ll have to take a look. Before doing that proof would have to address the following:

• Explain how the vote and exit polling were manipulated as I don’t remember anyone commenting the vote was going Trump while the exit polling was going Harris
• Explain how they kept voting shenanigans quiet across multiple counties in multiple states. The larger a conspiracy the larger the risk it leaks.

Yea. It's not like he squeaked out a win in some swing states to win. Even deep blue states shifted right, so it's no surprise the swing states went red. Here in NJ Harris only had a 5 pt lead while Biden had won by 16 points and in 2016, Hillery by 14.

 

[Indus]

Even if you somehow believe the conspiracy theories.. even Kam's own polls never showed her winning!

It basically became.. "How to blow a billion and a half and still not make a dent in your opponent's lead!"


IMHO it wasn't stolen, it was gift wrapped the second the dems ditched Biden.

 

[HomerJS]

I think there was enough voter suppression to effect the outcome.

People need to keep investigating.

 

[pete6032]

I mean Trump gave Elon credit for PA, and some people are saying you know?

Let's see what we got because this is what I randomly stumbled across today. Feel free to do with it what you will

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www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com

I've seen that site. If what they are saying is true, then more digging is necessary. Strange that Democrats are completely silent about it.

I would also appreciate it if someone posted aggregated county-by-county election results online. As of right now its only available on a state by state basis. Not sure why some college, university, or other nonprofit has not collected and centralized the results. Would make research a lot easier.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Define stolen.

If you mean "ballots were illegally cast in favor of Trump that swung the election" the answer is 100% no.

If you mean "an overwhelming number of Harris votes were illegally thrown out" the answer is also no.

If you mean "Republicans engaged in illegal voter disenfranchisement immediately prior to the election that changed the outcome" I think this is extremely unlikely and needs extraordinary proof, especially at the scale of 4million votes.

If you mean "Republicans have engaged in systematic but technically legal efforts to disenfranchis voters over the past decades, contributing to the 2024 election loss" there is no question. Proving that is the cause, and the sole cause, is something else entirely.

 

[manly]

I have this 2006 book in my library. IIRC it started as an online article before turning into a book, and didn't get a ton of MSM traction.

Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?: Exit Polls,…

On the afternoon of election day 2004, the world was ab…

www.goodreads.com

Honestly haven't looked at any of the current rumbling, but people have been claiming shens happened in Clark County, NV?

As alluded to above, the U.S. doesn't have a national election. It has thousands of local elections that get aggregated into statewide contests. It would be very difficult to systematically rig that, and Trump's buffoonery about Leon "knowing" election computers is just his normal stream-of-consciousness bullshit. At a minimum, you would have needed to steal Rust Belt battleground states.

 

[UNCjigga]

I started going down this rabbit hole earlier, but some of the people making claims aren’t using accurate data. It weirded me out that millions of Democratic voters in 2020 seemed to “disappear” in 2024 but that’s not what actually happened.

Election Fraud Debunked?

Asking questions as an independent media outpost

www.planetcritical.com

 

[PowerEngineer]

Was the 2024 election stolen?

You only want to believe this because the otherwise inescapable conclusion is that the American electorate is depressingly stupid and thereby incapable of making a democracy work to their ultimate advantage.

Welcome to the beginning of the idiocracy.

 

[brycejones]

Was the 2024 election stolen?

You only want to believe this because the otherwise inescapable conclusion is that the American electorate is depressingly stupid and thereby incapable of making a democracy work to their ultimate advantage.

Welcome to the beginning of the idiocracy.

We are deep into idiocracy.

 

[JTsyo]

Was the 2024 election stolen?

You only want to believe this because the otherwise inescapable conclusion is that the American electorate is depressingly stupid and thereby incapable of making a democracy work to their ultimate advantage.

Welcome to the beginning of the idiocracy.

What's funny is that the forefathers set up the system as it is because they didn't fully trust the people for a full democracy. Things like the electoral college were supposed to be a check against demagogues. But now those same mechanisms have be co-opted to accelerate the fall of democracy.

 

[Indus]

What's funny is that the forefathers set up the system as it is because they didn't fully trust the people for a full democracy. Things like the electoral college were supposed to be a check against demagogues. But now those same mechanisms have be co-opted to accelerate the fall of democracy.

 

[JTsyo]

Define stolen.

If you mean "ballots were illegally cast in favor of Trump that swung the election" the answer is 100% no.

If you mean "an overwhelming number of Harris votes were illegally thrown out" the answer is also no.

If you mean "Republicans engaged in illegal voter disenfranchisement immediately prior to the election that changed the outcome" I think this is extremely unlikely and needs extraordinary proof, especially at the scale of 4million votes.

If you mean "Republicans have engaged in systematic but technically legal efforts to disenfranchis voters over the past decades, contributing to the 2024 election loss" there is no question. Proving that is the cause, and the sole cause, is something else entirely.

More to this point: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won

 

[cytg111]

If you mean "an overwhelming number of Harris votes were illegally thrown out" the answer is also no.

I think that is debatable.

 

[soulcougher73]

This guy who studies it seems to think so.