Despite whatever you guys are talking about I still think the bible has a ton of wisdom to be gleaned out of the new testament.
Who said it was? The fact is that the general consensus is that the authors are unknown, directly in contradiction to the claims made earlier.General Consensus is not a reliable way to discovering truth.
Boy, you're desperate.Boy, you're gullible.
And what, exactly, would be "quantified" by doing so?By showing why you think the Church Fathers were "likely" mislead...and no, "other people's" gullibility isn't evidence of that.
I have the fact of the general consensus, which is all I needed to demonstrate the falsehood of the earlier claims.You don't have "facts", just "general consensus", Einstein.
Why is that a good reason? How reliable would you believe an anonymous manuscript from the 1930's to be if it described, say, an eyewitness to Bigfoot? What if it described magical leprechauns and fairies? If a bunch of elderly people told you it was true because that was "tradition," would you believe it then?I say it isn't likely, because some of them were less than a century removed from the gospel writer's lifetimes...as opposed to you and modern scholars who are 20 centuries removed from them.
Why should we believe that they were or did? Did any of them ever claim such? If any of the above were true, wouldn't you think that might be something they'd have mentioned when affirming their beliefs about the alleged authors?They could have been personal acquaintances with those who personally knew or spoke with the gospel writers, or knew others who personally knew them.
No, I explained precisely why they are unreasonable. You, however, either failed to comprehend that explanation, or, knowing you could not refute it, instead chose to create this feeble straw man out of your frustrated embarrassment.Ironic, given that anyone who doesn't agree with you is simply "unreasonable".
Thank you, Captain Obvious. I'll admit that it was my mistake to suppose any of you gave a single shit about the facts. I suppose I should've known better than to think that of Christian theists.Funny, you who knows all things should know you don't HAVE to deal with any of us.
Yes, shut your eyes real tight, and clamp your hands tightly over your ears and maybe you can just keep on believing what you want to believe instead of the facts.The guy has some mental issues it appears. Best to leave him be.
Yes, shut your eyes real tight, and clamp your hands tightly over your ears and maybe you can just keep on believing what you want to believe instead of the facts.
The guy has some mental issues it appears. Best to leave him be.
Pretty sure thats what every human does minus the shutting their eyes and clamping their hands yadda yadda. You should read the bible sometime maybe you'll learn a lesson or two about human nature!
Couple o' stellar contributions. :thumbsup: Intellectual powerhouses, you two.lol yeah he's pretty retarded
Couple o' stellar contributions. :thumbsup: Intellectual powerhouses, you two.
Couple o' stellar contributions. :thumbsup: Intellectual powerhouses, you two.
lol yeah Cerpin Taxt is retarded
No, I explained precisely why they are unreasonable. You, however, either failed to comprehend that explanation, or, knowing you could not refute it, instead chose to create this feeble straw man out of your frustrated embarrassment.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. I'll admit that it was my mistake to suppose any of you gave a single shit about the facts. I suppose I should've known better than to think that of Christian theists.
And then I explained that it apples to all persons because it is a question basic epistemology, and you ran away. Now you're here again making the same wrongheaded claims I already refuted. What's that saying about someone who does the same thing over and over expecting different results?And I explained how that is just a generality as you apply it to the person rather than the act of the virgin birth.
Marvelous. Now, what difference does that make? Have I ever accused you of doing either?I never argued whether or not virgin birth was reasonable or unreasonable.
What would you know about my replies? You clearly haven't read them.Your arrogance blinds you based on your replies.
That's fucking rich.Another generality that has no basis given you don't even understand the conversation.
But of course you're not.But I'm not surprised.
Sorry about your learning disability, must be hard growing up retarded.
I'm sorry, what part of that page was supposed to convince me that this man was intellectually exceptional? Has he authored any influential literature? Did he make any remarkable innovations? Or do you equate having enough money to charter a school which eventually became prestigious after he died a validation of his intellectual exceptionalism?Yea religion makes you an idiot like that John Harvard guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvard_(clergyman)
ooohhhh...nevermind
I'm sorry, what part of that page was supposed to convince me that this man was intellectually exceptional? Has he authored any influential literature? Did he make any remarkable innovations? Or do you equate having enough money to charter a school which eventually became prestigious after he died a validation of his intellectual exceptionalism?
If the latter is the case, I don't know if you'll even be able to understand how hilariously ridiculous it is.
Its because religion played a large role in the founding of modern academia and education. So its just ironic. Atheists are by far the most closed minded people I run across. Most of the good private schools are in fact Catholic/Christian schools. CNN and MSNBC and crap are the ones running 24/7 Christians's think t-rex eats coconuts and don't believe in evolution crap to take a jab at Fox news (equally ridiculous the opposite direction). Your iron clad fact based atheist brain couldn't have possibly ever been persuaded to buy into something dumb could it have? Nooooo.
Who else would it have been? Religion had a veritable monopoly on society during those formative years because it was so adamant about burning the non-believers at the stake. Big fucking surprise they started more colleges than non-religious people.Its because religion played a large role in the founding of modern academia and education.
Sounds more like sour grapes over the fact people are too smart to buy into the silly religious reasoning anymore. "These people won't believe our traditions anymore and now they're asking for evidence! They're closed-minded!"So its just ironic. Atheists are by far the most closed minded people I run across.
This must be one of the most odd arguments I've ever heard. "Christians fund a lot of schools, therefore they must be really smart." FYI I learned to be an atheist at moderately prestigious Christian school.Most of the good private schools are in fact Catholic/Christian schools.
I'm sorry I can't quite follow what you're saying here because I don't speak gibberish.CNN and MSNBC and crap are the ones running 24/7 Christians's think t-rex eats coconuts and don't believe in evolution crap to take a jab at Fox news (equally ridiculous the opposite direction). Your iron clad fact based atheist brain couldn't have possibly ever been persuaded to buy into something dumb could it have? Nooooo.
A very vocal portion certainly do and they are Politically very powerful.
Take the Texas School board for example.
Just begrudgingly allowed evolution to be taught in their biology text books. Why is this even up for debate in this day and age.
Most all mainstream Christian denominations accept evolution. The following link is from 15 years ago...I imagine the list is much larger now.A very vocal portion certainly do and they are Politically very powerful.
Most all mainstream Christian denominations accept evolution. The following link is from 15 years ago...I imagine the list is much larger now.
http://ncse.com/rncse/18/2/what-do-christians-really-believe-evolution
And many, including myself, agree...the times, they are a-changin'. There's always going to be outliers for the bigots to ridicule...but mainstream Christianity is definitely moving the right direction. Christianity has never been a monolithic faith as many "pseudo-intellectuals" falsely imagine it to be.Yes, I understand this. The vocal portion that gets most of the criticism actually doesn't think those groups are even Christian. Or at least, not Christian anymore.
And many, including myself, agree...the times, they are a-changin'. There's always going to be outliers for the bigots to ridicule...but mainstream Christianity is definitely moving the right direction. Christianity has never been a monolithic faith as many "pseudo-intellectuals" falsely imagine it to be.
I have the fact of the general consensus, which is all I needed to demonstrate the falsehood of the earlier claims.