Washington DC Parking Nazis

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Mermaidman

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I agree with Fenixgoon and Syringer. Thread needs poll.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: EricMartello
So I went down to Washington DC just to play tourist for the afternoon and I parked my car near the washington monument. There was an area that said I could park up to 3 hours between from 8am to 4pm, and a bunch of other cars were there. There was no sign that said that I could not park there AFTER 4pm, nor was there any reason for me to believe that the 3 hour limit applied past 4pm. I parked around 3:30 pm and was walking around for about 3 hours. I came back around 6:30pm to find a parking ticket stuck under my wiper...and they want $100 for the fine.

LMAO, is this guy serious?

it says you can park between the hours of 8-4, and he got back to his car at 6:30pm, and was surprised he got a ticket?

holy crap i did not know people this stupid exist.
The sign (as described by OP) says 3 hour limit between 8 AM to 4 PM. That's all. It doesn't prohibit anything after 4 PM. Some of you seem to think that parking is never allowed unless a sign allows it, but I think just the opposite: Parking is allowed unless there is a prohibition by a sign, fire hydrant, driveway, too close to corner, etc.
 

EagleKeeper

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Best thing would be for Eric to identify the stret and block that he was on. Then a local DC member can go and verify the signage along the block (pics would be useful of signage).

From my POV, it sounds like restricted parking between 8 & 4. After that there is no limit on parking UNLESS there is a No Parking sign around
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: EricMartello
No signage was present that says NO PARKING in that area. It just says 3 hour limit, it doesn't.

LOL... maybe you need to go back to Driver's ed.

Originally posted by: EricMartello
There was an area that said I could park up to 3 hours between from 8am to 4pm

This is an IMPLIED NO PARKING from 4:01pm to 7:59am.

This is stated in every DMV manual i've ever seen.


No, thats not implied at all. Whats implied is that the parking area has a 3 hour parking window enforced from 8-4.. thats all thats implied. And unless it specifically says you cant park there from 4:01 pm to 7:59 am, then the OP is in the right.

slagg is correct
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Best thing would be for Eric to identify the stret and block that he was on. Then a local DC member can go and verify the signage along the block (pics would be useful of signage).

From my POV, it sounds like restricted parking between 8 & 4. After that there is no limit on parking UNLESS there is a No Parking sign around

This is exactly correct.

And OP, welcome to DC. Wait til you get a load of their automated ticketing speed cameras too on Rt 1-->395.

 

fulltilt39

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: EricMartello
No signage was present that says NO PARKING in that area. It just says 3 hour limit, it doesn't.

LOL... maybe you need to go back to Driver's ed.

Originally posted by: EricMartello
There was an area that said I could park up to 3 hours between from 8am to 4pm

This is an IMPLIED NO PARKING from 4:01pm to 7:59am.

This is stated in every DMV manual i've ever seen.


No, thats not implied at all. Whats implied is that the parking area has a 3 hour parking window enforced from 8-4.. thats all thats implied. And unless it specifically says you cant park there from 4:01 pm to 7:59 am, then the OP is in the right.

slagg is correct

...except for the fact that, if you've ever lived/worked in D.C., you KNOW that they pretty much do whatever the hell they want there. doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense or is not the generally accepted practice. they have their own rules.

when i first moved out there i was coming home from a club and had had probably 4 or 5 drinks and got pulled over for turning right on red onto a 1-way street (those are fun there, too!). luckily i was blond, still had my california plates and pleaded ignorance. oh and for some reason, he didn't seem to care if i'd been drinking or not.

when i said that there were no signs to this effect, i was informed that it did not matter that i didn't know that you couldn't turn right on red. i just had to know because that's the rules there and people just know. i got off with a warning...but NEXT time....i'd get a ticket.
 

Ladies Man

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He missed another sign as many others have pointed out in the thread.

3 hour parking 8am to 4pm, but from 4pm to 6:30pm it's no parking. No other cars had tickets because he was the only prick parked there from 4 to 6:30, and by the time he got back to his car it was after 6:30 and people had parked there again.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Best thing would be for Eric to identify the stret and block that he was on. Then a local DC member can go and verify the signage along the block (pics would be useful of signage).

From my POV, it sounds like restricted parking between 8 & 4. After that there is no limit on parking UNLESS there is a No Parking sign around

I agree. It's possible the (seemingly intellectually challenged) OP did not see a "No stopping 7-8 am, 4-6:30 pm" sign, in which case he would be ticketed. But if the ONLY sign was "2 hour parking, 8am-4pm," then you ought to be able to park any time after 4 and be fine (perhaps any time after 2pm, because by the time you've hit the 2-hour limit, the parking restriction has ended). I've never heard of "implied no parking."

Perhaps different cities, states, or parts of the country handle it differently. Certainly there seem to be people who very adamantly believe that "2 hour parking, 8am-4pm" means "No parking, 4pm-8am." But in my city, Minneapolis, they agree with Common Courtesy's assessment. Hell, my girlfriend lives in an area with pretty tight parking and whenever I visit her I have to search around to find one of the "2 hour parking, 9am-4pm" spots. Everyone around here including me parks in those spots overnight, and you can even leave your car there until 11am without being ticketed. That is simply how it works here.

To the people arguing for "implied no parking": Are you all just trolls? Are you so closed-minded that you think the same rules apply everywhere, even though my own personal experience says otherwise? I'm willing to accept that such rules might apply to some areas, but I was not aware of them until just now. I can say WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that in the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, a 2-hour restriction during business hours means free unlimited parking outside the range specified on the sign, unless another sign says otherwise.

Originally posted by: Ladies Man
He missed another sign as many others have pointed out in the thread.

3 hour parking 8am to 4pm, but from 4pm to 6:30pm it's no parking. No other cars had tickets because he was the only prick parked there from 4 to 6:30, and by the time he got back to his car it was after 6:30 and people had parked there again.

That's what I'm thinking. But if that sign really wasn't there, then he was ticketed wrongly. However, it seems likely that the sign was there and OP missed it.
 

Zee

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Someone fucking drive there and tell us whether there is a no parking after 4 pm sign. if there is the op is a douche. else the next 6 guys that posted after him are a bunch of douches.
 

fulltilt39

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Originally posted by: Ladies Man
He missed another sign as many others have pointed out in the thread.

3 hour parking 8am to 4pm, but from 4pm to 6:30pm it's no parking. No other cars had tickets because he was the only prick parked there from 4 to 6:30, and by the time he got back to his car it was after 6:30 and people had parked there again.

this sounds more plausible than other explanation offered so far. many of the streets there are no parking during rush hour...
 

mchammer187

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Originally posted by: Zee
Someone fucking drive there and tell us whether there is a no parking after 4 pm sign. if there is the op is a douche. else the next 6 guys that posted after him are a bunch of douches.

that bolded part is true regardless

If there is a no parking sign it would mean the OP is a douche as well for lying about what signs were there.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: fulltilt39
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
The ticket sucks but, not paying it could get your license suspended. I got stopped for 45 in a 35 while on vacation in Florida. I got the ticket at the beginning of a two week vacation and quite honestly, I forgot about it by the time I returned home. Six weeks later, I received a notice in the mail that my license was suspended.

A ticket is a moving violation and its generally considered a criminal offense, a parking violation is not. I can't see them suspending a license over parking tickets because they don't even verify that you receive the ticket. They just issue it and anyone could be driving the car. $100 fine is not happening for a place I'll never be parking in again.

i also got a parking ticket in D.C. once that i didn't pay and my license ended up suspended as well. of course, i didn't find that out until i got pulled over one night and they wouldn't let me drive my vehicle home.

i'd pay it or fight it.

They suspended your license in Alberta for a ticket in another country?
 

Soundmanred

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I just sent a link to this thread to a friend who moved from DC last year and all he read was the OP before saying "he missed a sign, there are always a ton of signs."
 

fulltilt39

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: fulltilt39
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
The ticket sucks but, not paying it could get your license suspended. I got stopped for 45 in a 35 while on vacation in Florida. I got the ticket at the beginning of a two week vacation and quite honestly, I forgot about it by the time I returned home. Six weeks later, I received a notice in the mail that my license was suspended.

A ticket is a moving violation and its generally considered a criminal offense, a parking violation is not. I can't see them suspending a license over parking tickets because they don't even verify that you receive the ticket. They just issue it and anyone could be driving the car. $100 fine is not happening for a place I'll never be parking in again.

i also got a parking ticket in D.C. once that i didn't pay and my license ended up suspended as well. of course, i didn't find that out until i got pulled over one night and they wouldn't let me drive my vehicle home.

i'd pay it or fight it.

They suspended your license in Alberta for a ticket in another country?

LOL no. if you read my 2nd post, i lived there. well, i lived in maryland. but worked/played/etc in D.C.

BUT...after i moved up here, i got pulled over and an RCMP was able to tell me that my insurance wasn't valid on my car (still had maryland plates/insurance).

they have ways...
 

AMCRambler

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What does 3 hours between 8am and 4pm mean to you? That to me means that you can park for up to 3 hours between the hours of 8am and 4pm. Seems pretty clear to me. If my car is there past 4pm I would expect to get a ticket. Sorry man. I think you misinterpreted the sign.
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It's funny, seeing all the people supporting the OPs position.

Your posts of this and "you're wrong" to everyone is so wonderfully and articulately put together that I have no choice but to back down and accept your victory.

Your intellect is much to high for everyone's here even though everyone else is disagreeing with you, thus, you win this round.
 

theflyingpig

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
It's funny, seeing all the people supporting the OPs position.

Your posts of this and "you're wrong" to everyone is so wonderfully and articulately put together that I have no choice but to back down and accept your victory.

Your intellect is much to high for everyone's here even though everyone else is disagreeing with you, thus, you win this round.

What a gracious way to admit defeat. Was it hard for you to come to the conclusion that my position was the correct one? You seem like a person who would have trouble admitting that you were wrong. Anyway, I applaud your effort, my friend. Perhaps next time our roles will be reversed, and I will have to be the one to admit defeat. Or perhaps not.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler
What does 3 hours between 8am and 4pm mean to you? That to me means that you can park for up to 3 hours between the hours of 8am and 4pm. Seems pretty clear to me. If my car is there past 4pm I would expect to get a ticket. Sorry man. I think you misinterpreted the sign.

That's not how it works in some (most? all?) parts of the country. At least in Minnesota, all city streets default to free parking at all times unless specified otherwise. There might be a meter (along with the hours that it's enforced, meaning free parking at that meter outside of those hours), a "No Parking Anytime" sign, a "No Parking between the hours of X and Y" sign (in which case parking is unrestricted outside those hours), or a "X Hour Parking between the hours of Y and Z" (in which case the restriction is lifted and parking is unrestricted outside those hours).

Where are you from? Does it work differently in bigger cities? Because in Minneapolis, I've never been ticketed for parking in a spot with restricted parking outside of the specified hours.
 

EricMartello

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Originally posted by: biggestmuff
I'm guessing you missed one or two other signs that were posted along with the sign you're talking about. I've rarely seen one parking sign posted by itself in DC.

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Right, because I wouldn't have noticed all those signs in red...I specifically avoided parking in an area where there were red "no stopping" signs and "no parking" signs. If a sign posted a few blocks away or ahead somehow is meant to apply to the whole road, it is clearly a scam to bilk parking fines out of unsuspecting visitors.

The only sign that was visible in the area that I parked was the green one, and furthermore, there were plenty of other cars already parked there so it's not like mine was somehow blocking traffic.

It's quite clear that DC is built on a foundation of stupid and there is no way I'm rolling over for them and paying a BS fine. Lucky my car didn't get towed? Why would I be lucky? If they were going to tow my car they would have to tow all the cars in front and behind it just to get to it. Their budget problems are not my problem and I'm not going to be victimized by some out-of-control governing system that thinks it can abuse US citizens to keeps its life support going. Anyone who lives in the US and finds these kind of government extortion practices acceptable needs to be deported to Canada or France.
 

Jeeebus

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ok what street were you on by the Washington Monument? 17th? Constitution? I could use an afternoon walk and will go find some signage.
 

Jinny

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I live in San Francisco and these kinds of signs are all over. Assuming that was the ONLY parking sign, then the OP is in the right.
if it says 2 hour parking between 8am and 4pm, that means free parking from 4:01pm to 7:59am.

You can technically leave the car there from 2:01pm to 10am.


*LOL at Implied no parking
 

Jeeebus

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Originally posted by: Jeeebus
ok what street were you on by the Washington Monument? 17th? Constitution? I could use an afternoon walk and will go find some signage.

offer for afternoon walk still stands...
 
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