Washington State going back to a modified lockdown

BoomerD

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Social, economic and cultural life in Washington will grind to a halt at 11:59 p.m. Monday night, as Gov. Jay Inslee orders broad restrictions and shutdowns for restaurants, theaters, gyms and all indoor gatherings in an effort to slow the state’s burgeoning coronavirus epidemic.

Inslee, Sunday morning, ordered restaurants and bars to shutdown indoor service and to limit outdoor service to parties of five or less. Indoor gyms and fitness centers must also shutdown. Same with movie theaters, bowling alleys and museums. Indoor gatherings with people outside your household will be prohibited unless participants have quarantined and tested negative.

“Today, Sunday, November 15, 2020, is the most dangerous public health day in the last 100 years of our state’s history,” Inslee said in prepared remarks. “A pandemic is raging in our state. Left unchecked, it will assuredly result in grossly overburdened hospitals and morgues; and keep people from obtaining routine but necessary medical treatment for non-COVID conditions.”

"In order to slow the spread of rapidly increasing COVID cases in our state, and ensure that hospital and medical systems are not overwhelmed, we are taking the very difficult but necessary steps to protect public health,” Inslee’s office said. “We recognize this will cause financial hardship for many businesses and the governor and staff are exploring ways to mitigate the impacts.”

Despite a statewide mask mandate and current restrictions on businesses, the pandemic has been rapidly spreading in Washington. The state, for the last two weeks, has been breaking previous infection records almost daily.

On Nov. 3, the state recorded a then-record 1,469 coronavirus infections. By Nov. 14, daily infections had increased more than 50% and stood at 2,233 infections.

The day Inslee issued his stay-home order in March, there were just 225 confirmed infections, although there was far less testing then.

The full list of restrictions going into effect is daunting. All orders go into effect at 11:59 p.m. Monday, except for the restrictions on bars and restaurants, which go into effect at 11:59 p.m. Tuesday.

Indoor gatherings, outside one’s household, are prohibited unless participants quarantine for 14 days prior to the gathering or quarantine for seven days prior and receive a negative COVID-19 test within two days of the planned gathering.


Outdoor social gatherings should be limited to no more than five people from outside your household, Inslee said.

Religious services can continue, but must limit indoor attendance to 25% of capacity, or 200 people, whatever is less, Inslee said. Masks must be worn at all times and choirs, bands and congregational singing will be prohibited.

Wedding and funeral ceremonies will be limited to 30 people. Receptions will be prohibited.

Retail stores, including grocery stores, and malls must limit occupancy to 25% and must close food court seating.

Offices are required to mandate employees work from home, if possible, and must limit occupancy to 25% if they remain open. They must be closed to the public.

Long-term care facilities can accept visitors only in outdoor settings, with limited exceptions for end-of-life care and essential support personnel.

Personal services, such as barber shops and salons, are limited to 25% capacity.

Real estate open houses are prohibited. Youth and adult sports are limited to outdoor only intrateam practices and athletes must wear masks.

The new restrictions are likely to bring a wave of economic devastation to businesses and employees already crippled by the pandemic. Congress has failed to pass a second round of economic relief measures, and expanded unemployment benefits and payments to businesses, passed in last spring’s relief package, expired months ago.

Not as severe as it COULD have been...and at this time, scheduled to last 4 weeks...but it's gonna suck...and lots of small businesses won't survive it.
 

SmCaudata

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Makes you wish we did this right from the beginning, huh? The Euro countries with stronger initial responses have a faster economic recovery. Turns out when several hundred thousand people die, people get scared and the economy tanks. Even "open" businesses are suffering.
 
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ivwshane

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Not as severe as it COULD have been...and at this time, scheduled to last 4 weeks...but it's gonna suck...and lots of small businesses won't survive it.


Business over people! Amiright?!
 

Jaskalas

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Makes you wish we did this right from the beginning, huh? The Euro countries with stronger initial responses have a faster economic recovery. Turns out when several hundred thousand people die, people get scared and the economy tanks. Even "open" businesses are suffering.

You wish we were Europe, eh?
Italy is being crushed with a (US population equivalent) of 180,000 cases and over 3,000 deaths. Daily. Roughly the same case load but over twice the deaths per capita. Oh, and in terms of cases... Italy is only middle of the pack. Europe did not escape COVID.

 
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Starbuck1975

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You wish we were Europe, eh?
Italy is being crushed with a (US population equivalent) of 180,000 cases and over 3,000 deaths. Daily. Roughly the same case load but over twice the deaths per capita. Oh, and in terms of cases... Italy is only middle of the pack. Europe did not escape COVID.
Germany just released a clever ad campaign to convince their young people to lock down. People have hit pandemic fatigue, even in countries with a handle on it.
 

SmCaudata

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You wish we were Europe, eh?]

No. I was saying that countries that locked down had less of an economic impact. The OP was talking about small businesses dying. All countries are getting hit hard again. No where in my post did I talk about cases.

 

Thump553

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The difference between the US and Europe is, because of our no-maskers and reopening (GOP controlled) states too early and too much, we have a much higher base of infections. Both the US and Europe are going through an increase now, but ours is much higher and much worse because even if a US individual took the best protective efforts he or she is still much more likely to get infected here because the disease is so widespread.

TY Donald Trump-even Boris Johnson was smarter than you.
 

Jaskalas

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No. I was saying that countries that locked down had less of an economic impact. The OP was talking about small businesses dying. All countries are getting hit hard again. No where in my post did I talk about cases.

I think economic consequences will follow with increased case load and continued lockdowns?
 

ElFenix

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Germany just released a clever ad campaign to convince their young people to lock down. People have hit pandemic fatigue, even in countries with a handle on it.
i'm more fatigued by assholes continuing to hold superspreader events when we're 9 months into this thing than anything else. some moron was picking up 10 hot pizzas at costco yesterday. fuck that guy and all his progeny.
 
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sandorski

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The feared Autumn Second Wave is occuring practically everywhere. So much of the EU, Canada, and others are catching up to the US right now.
 

SmCaudata

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I think economic consequences will follow with increased case load and continued lockdowns?
We will see. In the end, I'm betting that keeping people alive and minimizing expensive hospital care is the best for the economy. One could argue that having elderly die is good for Medicare and social security, but that's a pretty immoral attitude.
 

Jaskalas

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Business over people! Amiright?!

Your one liner is propaganda - and you should know better.
Which is why I am disappointment in seeing it yet again.

The lay person's opposition isn't about business. They want people to keep jobs and income. You know, so people can maintain the small things like a roof over head or food on the table. They cannot conceive of a world where you voluntarily terminate millions of jobs and millions of people don't suddenly lose everything. Economic devastation is a very real fear of theirs. And considering America's safety net is !@#$ and most people fall through it..... why shouldn't we fear economic consequences?

It is about people's lives, every bit as much as the virus itself is. These are two facets that have to be weighed against each other, not just haphazardly ignored. And due to America's weak position with safety nets, there are no good answers for us. We will suffer pain and deaths for our deficiencies. Ones that cannot be fixed over night. We would have needed solutions in place last year before the Pandemic struck. America is just not built to handle turmoil in its current form.

But do not minimize the cost of losing income to "just Business". Cause I tell you, it's not Wall Street loosing their ass and getting kicked to the street.
 

Jaskalas

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We will see. In the end, I'm betting that keeping people alive and minimizing expensive hospital care is the best for the economy.

I hope they do well. We need a shining example of how to do things correctly.
 

Sunburn74

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I hope they do well. We need a shining example of how to do things correctly.
I think people don't understand the downstream effects of covid on the healthcare system

Let's say you break your leg tomorrow or start bleeding from you GI tract or have a heart attack. Many areas are so full that you won't be able to get into an ER or be hospitalized where you need to be because the hospital is full of COVID patients. Instead of waiting 30 mins, you may wait 2-3 days. You end up getting suboptimal care and will pay the price. If there is one hospital close to you that can fix what you need fixed and it's full because of COVID, you're going to pay the price with your own medical issues. There was an article published this way earlier year that even at the time of the article when you account for all the direct deaths from covid this year, there were at least 60000 unexpected deaths which probably are the results of downstream effects of what's happening with covid and our healthcare systems.

This is a real emergency people. It's not a joke.
 
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fskimospy

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Yep those fuckin Republicans ignoring CDC advice.

Oh wait...
Surely you aren’t arguing against the fact that Trump’s response to COVID has been absolutely catastrophic?

I mean if he had just been his usual incompetent self that would have been bad enough but he allowed his thirst for corruption to come into play too.
 

blackangst1

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Surely you aren’t arguing against the fact that Trump’s response to COVID has been absolutely catastrophic?

I mean if he had just been his usual incompetent self that would have been bad enough but he allowed his thirst for corruption to come into play too.

No Im not arguing that at all.
 

brycejones

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Lockdowns are great for individuals, but are small business killers.
Hate to tell you this champ. I spend fuck all with small businesses as long as this pandemic goes on. No dining out, no shopping at small local stores, etc. Until we resolve the pandemic you are not going to "fix" the economy. Its long past time to put on the big boy pants and deal with this shit like adults instead of being children about it.
 

brycejones

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Your one liner is propaganda - and you should know better.
Which is why I am disappointment in seeing it yet again.

The lay person's opposition isn't about business. They want people to keep jobs and income. You know, so people can maintain the small things like a roof over head or food on the table. They cannot conceive of a world where you voluntarily terminate millions of jobs and millions of people don't suddenly lose everything. Economic devastation is a very real fear of theirs. And considering America's safety net is !@#$ and most people fall through it..... why shouldn't we fear economic consequences?

It is about people's lives, every bit as much as the virus itself is. These are two facets that have to be weighed against each other, not just haphazardly ignored. And due to America's weak position with safety nets, there are no good answers for us. We will suffer pain and deaths for our deficiencies. Ones that cannot be fixed over night. We would have needed solutions in place last year before the Pandemic struck. America is just not built to handle turmoil in its current form.

But do not minimize the cost of losing income to "just Business". Cause I tell you, it's not Wall Street loosing their ass and getting kicked to the street.
See my response to blackangst1. Same applies to your posts.
 

blackangst1

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Hate to tell you this champ. I spend fuck all with small businesses as long as this pandemic goes on. No dining out, no shopping at small local stores, etc. Until we resolve the pandemic you are not going to "fix" the economy. Its long past time to put on the big boy pants and deal with this shit like adults instead of being children about it.

I didnt support nor abandon the idea of lockdowns, champ. I was simply stating a fact. Every action has consequences.
 

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I hope they do well. We need a shining example of how to do things correctly.
There are plenty of shining examples of how to do things correctly: Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, most of the South Pacific, and even China. Despite differences in implementation a commonality between those nations is early implementation of controls and effective leadership.

It's pretty clear that early failures in controls and leadership have increased the difficulty of managing the pandemic in much of the world, especially the Americas and Europe. But there have also been failures in South East Asia which in general has coped well. In contrast to their neighbours, Indonesia and the Phillipines played down the severity of the pandemic early on and have suffered significantly more as a result.
 

Starbuck1975

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i'm more fatigued by assholes continuing to hold superspreader events when we're 9 months into this thing than anything else. some moron was picking up 10 hot pizzas at costco yesterday. fuck that guy and all his progeny.
Sounds like an end of season team sporting event. It amazes me that despite all the precautions, those rules somehow don’t apply to kids’ sports.
 
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