Washington State going back to a modified lockdown

[NWRMidnight]

Yep those fuckin Republicans ignoring CDC advice.

Oh wait...

Actually, the eastside of the state is made up primarily of republicans. Spokane County could never advance from phase 2 because.... You guessed it, failure to follow the guidelines such as wearing masks. When nearly every other area of the state including the high populated west side od the state (Seattle area), cases where going down, spokane county went up, and has continued to go up over the last couple of months, not down. Of course, the east side also boarders Idaho, a republican state. Right after Inslee re-instated the stricter restrictions, In spokane, one of the gym's flat out said they are staying open and defying the order... That's the attitude so many east side people have, yet they want to Blame Inslee for the restrictions.. rather than adult up and do what's right and needs to be done.

 

[nickqt]

So dishonest. The GOP is content with bailing out Wall St. The rest of gaslit America can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut, as always. This will get really, really bad before it's over, horrifyingly so, because conservatives already bought into the bullshit & still are. What part of new cases doubling every 3 weeks do you fail to comprehend?

I love how n0b0dy finds the energy to be upset at the thought of someone staying at home and making "more money" than going to work and actively spreading a disease killing thousands of Americans a week.

I also love how n0body has been trained well by his handlers to never ponder why American worker productivity has increased without any real wage parity over the past 50 years as Unions were destroyed, so that it's even fucking possible for unemployment insurance, a god damn pittance, to be higher than minimum wage salaries.

It's hilarious, and tragic, all at the same time.

Modern US Conservatism at its finest.

 

[DrunkenSano]

The people who think this is a no-win situation are wrong, there is a path to victory over COVID. However, the requirements are pretty steep and probably impossible in America.

1. Stop loving Freedumb so much and follow the mandates that are designed to keep people safer. Masks at all times, social distancing, stop any gatherings.
2. The rich and those in power need to start giving a fuck about the less fortunate.
3. Increase the taxes on the wealthy so that those without (laid off because of COVID, small business shut down because of COVID, etc) can get the support they desperately need at these times. Need stimulus packagesx20.
4. Need new people in government, fuck the Republicans. They just want to stay rich and watch the poor die. Fuck most of the Democrats because they also want to stay rich and watch the poor die, just with nicer bullshit words.

 

[NWRMidnight]

My son's co-worker pretty much nailed it on the head:

"If wearing a mask and social distancing is such an inconvenience, that you refuse to do, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM"

 

[Jhhnn]

The people who think this is a no-win situation are wrong, there is a path to victory over COVID. However, the requirements are pretty steep and probably impossible in America.

1. Stop loving Freedumb so much and follow the mandates that are designed to keep people safer. Masks at all times, social distancing, stop any gatherings.
2. The rich and those in power need to start giving a fuck about the less fortunate.
3. Increase the taxes on the wealthy so that those without (laid off because of COVID, small business shut down because of COVID, etc) can get the support they desperately need at these times. Need stimulus packagesx20.
4. Need new people in government, fuck the Republicans. They just want to stay rich and watch the poor die. Fuck most of the Democrats because they also want to stay rich and watch the poor die, just with nicer bullshit words.

You were doing fine right up to the both sides bullshit.

 

[nickqt]

The people who think this is a no-win situation are wrong, there is a path to victory over COVID. However, the requirements are pretty steep and probably impossible in America.

1. Stop loving Freedumb so much and follow the mandates that are designed to keep people safer. Masks at all times, social distancing, stop any gatherings.
2. The rich and those in power need to start giving a fuck about the less fortunate.
3. Increase the taxes on the wealthy so that those without (laid off because of COVID, small business shut down because of COVID, etc) can get the support they desperately need at these times. Need stimulus packagesx20.
4. Need new people in government, fuck the Republicans. They just want to stay rich and watch the poor die. Fuck most of the Democrats because they also want to stay rich and watch the poor die, just with nicer bullshit words.

1. Easy way to minimize spread and keep almost everything open. Wear a fucking mask. As a bonus, it breaks facial recognition software...you want to be free, wear a mask.
2. Most rich people were born that way and don't care about anyone but themselves. Most people in power are in it for the power, so it's all about them. That said, this is unnecessary.
3. This is unnecessary. The US Government can create money without incurring debt, and can allocate that money however it wants.
4. This is the biggest hurdle. I know you got that BothSidesDoIt™ talking point in, but the House Democrats passed a COVID relief bill 6 months ago. It's Senate Republicans and Country Destroyer McConnell who has decided to not even vote that bill or put something else up to work with the House.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You were doing fine right up to the both sides bullshit.

MMmmmmm that delicious partisanship of my side is righteous and your side isn't.

Meanwhile your head honcho that you continues keep electing as your leader is a giant fucking moron that is more concerned with the ice cream in her freezer than the american people.

 

[Vic]

MMmmmmm that delicious partisanship of my side is righteous and your side isn't.

Meanwhile your head honcho that you continues keep electing as your leader is a giant fucking moron that is more concerned with the ice cream in her freezer than the american people.

PWI again?

 

[Jhhnn]

MMmmmmm that delicious partisanship of my side is righteous and your side isn't.

Meanwhile your head honcho that you continues keep electing as your leader is a giant fucking moron that is more concerned with the ice cream in her freezer than the american people.

The only thing standing in the way of the kind of relief working people need is Republicans.

 

[blackangst1]

The people who think this is a no-win situation are wrong, there is a path to victory over COVID. However, the requirements are pretty steep and probably impossible in America.

1. Stop loving Freedumb so much and follow the mandates that are designed to keep people safer. Masks at all times, social distancing, stop any gatherings.
2. The rich and those in power need to start giving a fuck about the less fortunate.
3. Increase the taxes on the wealthy so that those without (laid off because of COVID, small business shut down because of COVID, etc) can get the support they desperately need at these times. Need stimulus packagesx20.
4. Need new people in government, fuck the Republicans. They just want to stay rich and watch the poor die. Fuck most of the Democrats because they also want to stay rich and watch the poor die, just with nicer bullshit words.

Im gonna call BS on this. Its pretty well known the top 1% give at least 30% of all charity.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Im gonna call BS on this. Its pretty well known the top 1% give at least 30% of all charity.

Charitable contributions are tax deductible. So they aren't necessarily losing anything.

What policies do the super rich advocate for? Which politicians do they support? Where are all the super rich advocating for helping the middle and lower classes with things like better social safety nets, higher wages, and better economic mobility?

Oh wait, all those things get in the way of maximizing this quarters shareholder value

 

[blackangst1]

Charitable contributions are tax deductible. So they aren't necessarily losing anything.

What policies do the super rich advocate for? Which politicians do they support? Where are all the super rich advocating for helping the middle and lower classes with things like better social safety nets, higher wages, and better economic mobility?

Oh wait, all those things get in the way of maximizing this quarters shareholder value

Youre right. The USA is the most charitable country on the planet, and the middle class donates a large part too. But fuck them, right? They have nothing to lose because its tax deductible.

Right?

 

[sandorski]

Youre right. The USA is the most charitable country on the planet, and the middle class donates a large part too. But fuck them, right? They have nothing to lose because its tax deductible.

Right?

...and what do you have to show for it?

 

[blackangst1]

...and what do you have to show for it?

Uh...why would *I* need something to show for other people's giving? That makes zero sense.

 

[sandorski]

Uh...why would *I* need something to show for other people's giving? That makes zero sense.

All that giving has resulted in insufficient results.

 

[blackangst1]

All that giving has resulted in insufficient results.

So...if someone gives to any charity, everyone in the country should benefit?

edit: sorry. Nevermind. Youre trolling me. No one is THAT stupid.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Youre right. The USA is the most charitable country on the planet, and the middle class donates a large part too. But fuck them, right? They have nothing to lose because its tax deductible.

Right?

I have no idea how you interpreted my post.

The point I was trying to make is that because charitable contributions are tax deductible, it's advantageous to be charitable for the super rich, as they are best able to itemize deductions.

Edit: I mean the tax code benefits the super rich. It's why warren buffett (in)famously pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you don't exactly have money to give charitably in the first place.

 

[blackangst1]

I have no idea how you interpreted my post.

The point I was trying to make is that because charitable contributions are tax deductible, it's advantageous to be charitable for the super rich, as they are best able to itemize deductions.

Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you don't exactly have money to give charitably in the first place.

First, you have to remember 50% +/- dont pay income tax so probably dont itemize. Second, the rich get the same tax deduction for charity as the middle class. Are you claiming the rich donate for the tax benefit, but the middle class doesnt? Im not sure what youre saying. Bottom line is that the rich dont donate enough is complete BS. Mathematically it doesnt add up.

 

[Fenixgoon]

First, you have to remember 50% +/- dont pay income tax so probably dont itemize. Second, the rich get the same tax deduction for charity as the middle class. Are you claiming the rich donate for the tax benefit, but the middle class doesnt? Im not sure what youre saying. Bottom line is that the rich dont donate enough is complete BS. Mathematically it doesnt add up.

I'm saying the super rich don't pay their fair share, absolutely.
They pay all the taxes they are legally required - no doubt. That does not mean the tax code is setup in a just and equitable manner.

 

[Thump553]

Lockdowns are great for individuals, but are small business killers.

In what way are lockdowns great for individuals? Other than keeping the disease from spreading I can't think of a single thing. Keeping the disease from spreading is good for small business as well. Buying ten pizzas from Costo is not (never had a Costco pizza-do they taste different than the cardboard box?)

 

[blackangst1]

I'm saying the super rich don't pay their fair share, absolutely.
They pay all the taxes they are legally required - no doubt. That does not mean the tax code is setup in a just and equitable manner.

Well then thats a different conversation than what I replied to. SO irrelevant to my comment.

 

[blackangst1]

In what way are lockdowns great for individuals? Other than keeping the disease from spreading I can't think of a single thing. Keeping the disease from spreading is good for small business as well. Buying ten pizzas from Costo is not (never had a Costco pizza-do they taste different than the cardboard box?)

Other than keeping the disease from spreading, right now is there a better reason? Seems good to me.

 

[Paratus]

Im gonna call BS on this. Its pretty well known the top 1% give at least 30% of all charity.

I always love the wealthy “pay more taxes/donate more to charity” statement as if it morally justifies the wealth gap in this country. It certainly demonstrates a very shallow way of thinking.

A little thought experiment for you. In a perfect libertopian paradise without any government regulations allowing the unencumbered free hand of the market to drive everyone in the world down to subsistence level wages with the exception of CEO Bob who righteously receives the entire worlds GDP as compensation, how much charity would come from Bob vs the rest of the world?

If you still aren’t getting it how about this:

According to you the 1% provide 30% of the charity apparently while having over 40% of the wealth. So even here they are stingy compared to their share of the pie.

If you would like the rest of the 99% to contribute more than the system needs to be setup that most of the 99% can make more than enough to live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[blackangst1]

I always love the wealthy “pay more taxes/donate more to charity” statement as if it morally justifies the wealth gap in this country. It certainly demonstrates a very shallow way of thinking.

A little thought experiment for you. In a perfect libertopian paradise without any government regulations allowing the unencumbered free hand of the market to drive everyone in the world down to subsistence level wages with the exception of CEO Bob who righteously receives the entire worlds GDP as compensation, how much charity would come from Bob vs the rest of the world?

If you still aren’t getting it how about this:

According to you the 1% provide 30% of the charity apparently while having over 40% of the wealth. So even here they are stingy compared to their share of the pie.

If you would like the rest of the 99% to contribute more than the system needs to be setup that most of the 99% can make more than enough to live paycheck to paycheck.

Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face when you bring up "piece of the pie". As if wealth was static.

 

[Jhhnn]

Whatever it takes to defend the ultra wealthy & avoid the topic at hand...