Washington State going back to a modified lockdown

[blackangst1]

You seriously need to go look up the definition of greed. Saving money, trying to keep taxes down have nothing to do with greed. Making a profit with a business can be done without greed influencing the outcome.

greed

/ɡrēd/

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noun

intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.

Yep. Just what I said.

 

[NWRMidnight]

greed

/ɡrēd/

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noun

intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.

Yep. Just what I said.

Nope, not even close to what you said.

 

[blackangst1]

Nope, not even close to what you said.

Wow. Ok.

 

[nickqt]

No you got it wrong. If they believed being wealthy was actually a bad thing they'd give away everything, and separate themselves from the things that made them wealthy. And live longer is normal people.

Who has done that? Not many. At all. They flail themselves with the evils of capitalism yet keep themselves as beneficiaries of said evils. In other words, they don't believe their own words enough to change. Hypocrisy as it's finest.

And it's not a conservative or liberal thing. It's a human thing.

I didn't get anything wrong.

You actually believe, in whatever passes for a brain, that someone who has benefited from some system cannot legitimately criticize that very system...unless they first become a monk and take a vow of poverty.

Your reasoning skills are very, very poor.

A billionaire can have legitimately and legally acquired all of their wealth, and then say without being a hypocrite that "y'all should fucking tax people like me more, because the tax system treats me way better than it should". That billionaire doesn't need to light their cash on fire or divest from all of their assets just to point out that the fucking tax system is rigged in their favor. The tax system is rigged in their favor whether or not they themselves are a billionaire. It just pisses scoundrels off when people who are "insiders" criticize a system those scoundrels spend all their time defending as fair.

That you believe that their arguments are bad just because you disagree with them keeping their money without taking an oath of poverty is your shit-tier logic. It is not hypocrisy in any sense of the word.

Hypocrisy would be the billionaire saying the tax system benefits themselves more than regular people, and then hiring a lobbying firm or legislator (I repeat myself) to write tax laws to further their own tax advantages. That would be hypocrisy.

Saying that you benefit from broken laws isn't hypocrisy, just like saying that you are harmed by broken laws isn't defeatism.

Again, this dogshit-tier logic is extremely tied to Conservatives and their instant declarations that anyone who dares criticize their own in-group, or the benefits that their in-group receives is a traitor.

Whether it's calling a lifelong Republican a RINO because that Republican dares criticize the Republican Party, or whether it's a billionaire who acknowledges objective observable reality and says the tax system is rigged in their favor.

You can laugh or cry or scream at a mirror when some billionaire says the tax system is broken, but it doesn't change the fact that the tax system is broken, and it doesn't change the fact that their argument is valid whether or not, as you believe, they have to become a monk after making that argument. It's just some fucked up hang-up you have with critical thinking.

 

[blackangst1]

I didn't get anything wrong.

You actually believe, in whatever passes for a brain, that someone who has benefited from some system cannot legitimately criticize that very system...unless they first become a monk and take a vow of poverty.

Your reasoning skills are very, very poor.

A billionaire can have legitimately and legally acquired all of their wealth, and then say without being a hypocrite that "y'all should fucking tax people like me more, because the tax system treats me way better than it should". That billionaire doesn't need to light their cash on fire or divest from all of their assets just to point out that the fucking tax system is rigged in their favor. The tax system is rigged in their favor whether or not they themselves are a billionaire. It just pisses scoundrels off when people who are "insiders" criticize a system those scoundrels spend all their time defending as fair.

That you believe that their arguments are bad just because you disagree with them keeping their money without taking an oath of poverty is your shit-tier logic. It is not hypocrisy in any sense of the word.

Hypocrisy would be the billionaire saying the tax system benefits themselves more than regular people, and then hiring a lobbying firm or legislator (I repeat myself) to write tax laws to further their own tax advantages. That would be hypocrisy.

Saying that you benefit from broken laws isn't hypocrisy, just like saying that you are harmed by broken laws isn't defeatism.

Again, this dogshit-tier logic is extremely tied to Conservatives and their instant declarations that anyone who dares criticize their own in-group, or the benefits that their in-group receives is a traitor.

Whether it's calling a lifelong Republican a RINO because that Republican dares criticize the Republican Party, or whether it's a billionaire who acknowledges objective observable reality and says the tax system is rigged in their favor.

You can laugh or cry or scream at a mirror when some billionaire says the tax system is broken, but it doesn't change the fact that the tax system is broken, and it doesn't change the fact that their argument is valid whether or not, as you believe, they have to become a monk after making that argument. It's just some fucked up hang-up you have with critical thinking.

Nice word salad. Lots of substance no calories.

You did hit all the usual talking points though so good job on that.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Wow. Ok.

Sorry you don't understand the difference. And you won't understand until you lose the greed mentality. What I mean by that, is your interpretations are fueled by greed because that is how you operate at the core of your thinking. Many of your responses to others here have also been influenced by that same core thinking.

Trying to save money or trying to keep your taxes down is not greed. What you do with the money saved determins greed. Not the action of trying to save money, or trying to keep your taxes down. Just like profits in a business. Making a profit is not greed, how much you keep for yourself vs what you give to your employees and other entities, determins if it's greed or not.

Your answers here have already told everyone that you are fueled by greed, and that is why you don't really understand the problem with the wealth gap.

 

[nickqt]

Nice word salad. Lots of substance no calories.

You did hit all the usual talking points though so good job on that.

That's hilarious. Your use of the phrase "word salad" is just as inept as your use of the word hypocrisy.

My point was crystal clear.

Want to try making your dogshit-tier argument about how the Republican Party passed the Civil Rights Act again?

LOL

Run away child.

 

[blackangst1]

Sorry you don't understand the difference. And you won't understand until you lose the greed mentality. What I mean by that, is your interpretations are fueled by greed because that is how you operate at the core of your thinking. Many of your responses to others here have also been influenced by that same core thinking.

Trying to save money or trying to keep your taxes down is not greed. What you do with the money saved determins greed. Not the action of trying to save money, or trying to keep your taxes down. Just like profits in a business. Making a profit is not greed, how much you keep for yourself vs what you give to your employees determins if it's greed or not.

Your answers here have already told everyone that you are fueled by greed, and that is why you don't really understand the problem with the wealth gap.

Tell me your definition of greed then? I'm guessing wanting more than what you need to stay comfortable?

 

[NWRMidnight]

Tell me your definition of greed then? I'm guessing wanting more than what you need to stay comfortable?

There is only one definition of greed. It doesn't change from person to person.

 

[blackangst1]

There is only one definition of greed. It doesn't change from person to person.

Tell me

 

[NWRMidnight]

Tell me

Tell you what? You already gave the definition. I can't comprehend it for you.

 

[blackangst1]

Tell you what? You already gave the definition. I can't comprehend it for you.

Ok. Then I was right. Everyone is greedy. Doesn't matter if you have $100 or $100000 of you want more, you're greedy.

 

[sandorski]

So...if someone gives to any charity, everyone in the country should benefit?

edit: sorry. Nevermind. Youre trolling me. No one is THAT stupid.

No, but it is proven that Taxing to fund Social Programs is far more efficient than relying on Charity.

 

[blackangst1]

No, but it is proven that Taxing to fund Social Programs is far more efficient than relying on Charity.

Maybe under our current model. Maybe we need to incentivize.

What's government program helps people increase their wealth since that's the crux of the problem?

 

[NWRMidnight]

Ok. Then I was right. Everyone is greedy. Doesn't matter if you have $100 or $100000 of you want more, you're greedy.

You're so arrogant, that you can only come to the conclusion you are right, even when you are completely wrong. In every one of your examples, you fail to define the main factor that determines if it is greed or not: WHY? Why are they trying to save money. Why are they trying to cut their taxes. Why do they want more money. what is the purpose?

The reason you came to the conclusion that anyone who wants more money is greedy, because of your own selfish reasons of wanting more money for yourself. Having more of something if done for selfish reasons is greed. Earning more by taking away from others who deserve it, just so you can have it, is greed. Taking the majority of something for yourself, so others can't have it, is greed, specially if you don't need it.

 

[brandonbull]

I love how n0b0dy finds the energy to be upset at the thought of someone staying at home and making "more money" than going to work and actively spreading a disease killing thousands of Americans a week.

I also love how n0body has been trained well by his handlers to never ponder why American worker productivity has increased without any real wage parity over the past 50 years as Unions were destroyed, so that it's even fucking possible for unemployment insurance, a god damn pittance, to be higher than minimum wage salaries.

It's hilarious, and tragic, all at the same time.

Modern US Conservatism at its finest.

I guess conservatism has totally run the country for the last 50+ years? Is that why Democrats overwhelmingly represent the richest Congressional Districts because they know how to cater to the "working man"? Both parties have done nothing to improve wages and repeat the same stupid promises of Robinhood taxation.

 

[brandonbull]

you'll still didn't answer my question. again, it's a simple yes or no - do you want a society where the majority of people live in poverty or wage slavery?

nonetheless i'll take a stab at what i think would make a marked difference:

1) increase taxation on the ultra wealthy
2) overhaul of tax code to simplify taxation
3) tax income based on its amount rather than its source.
4) universal healthcare
5) increased investment in infrastructure, including construction/transportation, energy transmission, and municipal broadband
6) targeted investment in under-served communities to increase home ownership, community development, and small business development
7) continued and increased investment in clean energy research and construction
8) increased federal minimum wage, including applying to restaurant workers and other "tip-based" jobs that get exempted.

Just another trickle down model except this time it's the government doing the trickling. Vote for us or we shut the tap off.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I guess conservatism has totally run the country for the last 50+ years? Is that why Democrats overwhelmingly represent the richest Congressional Districts because they know how to cater to the "working man"? Both parties have done nothing to improve wages and repeat the same stupid promises of Robinhood taxation.

clearly they know how to attract economic growth, for one. two, what are the education levels of those blue congressional districts? it couldn't possibly be that people who are highly educated are likely to espouse progressive social and/or economic views that just so happen to align with the democratic party, could it?
i mean, just look at the top 10-20 cities with the highest number of PhD's. or degree holders in general

Just another trickle down model except this time it's the government doing the trickling. Vote for us or we shut the tap off.

a) our current trickle down model doesn't trickle down.....so if we're shifting to "the government doing the trickling", that would be progress.

b) the government already fuels tons of investments and aid in the form of things like agricultural subsidies, GI bills, federal highway funds, etc. so really, this isn't exactly new and ground-breaking territory

c) if you're willing to hold 330M people hostage to get your way, you're a sociopath, not someone legitimately trying to make society a better place, and you should go F yourself. i don't mean you specifically, brandon. unless you're willing to hold 330M people hostage to get your way, of course.

d) the government setting standards and regulations that advance society is what the government is supposed to do. catalytic converters were the doom of the automotive industry...oh wait, our vehicles are cleaner, more efficient, and more powerful than ever.

 

[nickqt]

I guess conservatism has totally run the country for the last 50+ years? Is that why Democrats overwhelmingly represent the richest Congressional Districts because they know how to cater to the "working man"? Both parties have done nothing to improve wages and repeat the same stupid promises of Robinhood taxation.

The sheer amount of double-think that goes on in the right-wing brain is astounding.

Democrats, who delivered the ACA and attempted to expand Medicaid - a program for the poor - are a party that caters to the oligarchs.

Republicans, whose only accomplishments during the past 40 years have been to inflate the debt through cutting taxes on the oligarchs, are the party of the worker!

You're fucking ridiculous. Your brain is broken. Seek help.

 

[1prophet]

So you'd be perfectly ok with a society where the majority of the population lived in either poverty or wage slavery, a small portion live comfortably, and then a very small fraction have more wealth than they know what to do with?

Most Americans have no problem buying goods and services from countries that use wage slavery and poverty, so they can get their cheap goods and services which they would balk at buying if they had to pay for all the labor, living wages, environmental, safety costs associated with goods and services made under stateside conditions which they would demand as employees themselves,

now that their chickens are coming home to roost maybe they will realize that through Walmart and now Amazon they created the Billionaire Walton family and the emperor of oligarchs Bezos in their race to the bottom to acquire more throwaway chinesium junk than the Jones next door.

At least the CCP reigns in their oligarchs when they get out of line

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Unlike here in the US that even the once pro-union/working class democrat party hardly utters a peep as long as the tech oligarchs feed their coffers, are anti Trump and social justice friendly even if most of them are just LINO's (liberal in name only).

 

[hal2kilo]

Most Americans have no problem buying goods and services from countries that use wage slavery and poverty, so they can get their cheap goods and services which they would balk at buying if they had to pay for all the labor, living wages, environmental, safety costs associated with goods and services made under stateside conditions which they would demand as employees themselves,

now that their chickens are coming home to roost maybe they will realize that through Walmart and now Amazon they created the Billionaire Walton family and the emperor of oligarchs Bezos in their race to the bottom to acquire more throwaway chinesium junk than the Jones next door.

At least the CCP reigns in their oligarchs when they get out of line

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Unlike here in the US that even the once pro-union/working class democrat party hardly utters a peep as long as the tech oligarchs feed their coffers, are anti Trump and social justice friendly even if most of them are just LINO's (liberal in name only).

Nice stretch. It sure all adds up.