wat? Change.gov is a government website now?

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: 43st

Originally posted by: charrison
The assault weapons ban only banned mean looking semi automatic rifles. Functonaly not much different than any hunting rifle.

Full auto weapons always have legislation that controls them that was passed in the 1930s.

So the goal is to get the real assault weapons, from this original ban, back on the streets? That's the party platform in other words? I think they have that in Somalia.

in case you haven't gotten it, the "assault weapons ban" did not ban infantry assault rifles (which are fully automatic and not as accurate as a good hunting rifle might be because they're intended to make the other guy keep his head down while assaulting a position, so they can be lighter and more compact due to a shorter barrel).

it banned regular semi automatic rifles with scary looking features. you could have a lock and barrel with a wooden stock and regular rifle grip and it was legal. if you had the same lock and barrel with a folding stock and a pistol grip, it was banned. same gun for all the important bits, though. that is why the "assault weapons ban" was a retarded law.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.

news flash, the 9/11 terrorists trained within the United States.

Ah, so using terrorism to expand government monitoring?

Who is this sounding like?

my update covered that

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.

Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.

Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.

What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.

Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?

Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.

19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.

I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.

I hate the idea of mandatory military service because all of the dolts that would pass through. But if you gave them other options like the ones you mentioned I'd be all for it.

I have to check out the website but pretty much everything I have heard thus far has been VOLUNTARY. Offer scholarships and such to kids willing to serve but do not want to serve in a military position. I don't see a problem with this.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.

Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.

Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.

What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.

Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?

And those polls also show that many republicans just stayed at home as well. The country is still very much center right. If either party gets stupid, they get slapped.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?

Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.

19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.

I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.

Right. Forcing adults to do things they dont want to do, because you think they need it. How religious of you.

Landslide, here we come.

Just imagine, if fleets of American ships like the USS Mercy came to the rescue within 24-48 hours of any major natural disaster anywhere on the globe with the precision of the US Military. The world would love us! Heck, it would be a great government organization for retired military, high school drop outs, perhaps even the homeless. Then, along side them, 19-year-old "kids" learning about how the real world works outside of suburbia. Helping erect hospital walls in Africa or taking care of an AIDS-infected child or carrying bags of rice in Asia...would make responsible men (and women) out of those spoiled brats in no time.

Yikes.

You just made the list of waaaay out there P&N-ers.

Alright, so we can have a draft, to send people out to kill other people. That's acceptable.
Sending voluntarily signed-up soldiers out to kill people, also fine and dandy.

Having a fleet dedicated to humanitarian aid? WTF, are you nuts? Give those people guns and have them do something useful!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

Are you really that dumb? A professional school is not college.

Service for tuition will provide an unfair preference towards certain college degrees. It would also disproportionately punish Asians who tend to go for more difficult subjects.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

Are you really that dumb? A professional school is not college.

Service for tuition will provide an unfair preference towards certain college degrees. It would also disproportionately punish Asians who tend to go for more difficult subjects.

playing the yellow card already? I had slacker Asian friends too..

BTW... I was a Bio degree with a microbio and kines minor. I also worked a 15 hour a week job AND still had time to volunteer as an EMT for 6-12 hours a week. I also worked blood drives and did other such events.

Guess what else, I went out and partied on the weekend and played wow TABOOT! All with grades and scores that were good enough to get into med school.

Quit being such a whiner.

I would have much rather had a tuition break doing something that interests me (volunteering in medicine) than slaving for shitty tips as a pizza delivery driver because I needed to get by. This would have given me that option.

I am sure you and your EE major friends could have fixed tv's or put together stereos or tech support for underprivileged children or something (that is what EE's do, right...)


EDIT: And I am sure there are some charities who need someone to crunch numbers and keep books and that would be perfect for all your other Asian friends who weren't EE majors.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: halik

You don't have to be a U.S. citized to get an ID... how are you gonna prevent non-citizens from voting?

I dunno, what do they do now?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

Are you really that dumb? A professional school is not college.

Service for tuition will provide an unfair preference towards certain college degrees. It would also disproportionately punish Asians who tend to go for more difficult subjects.

Sorry... I forgot that going to Columbia for undergrad is a breeze too.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

Are you really that dumb? A professional school is not college.

Service for tuition will provide an unfair preference towards certain college degrees. It would also disproportionately punish Asians who tend to go for more difficult subjects.

playing the yellow card already? I had slacker Asian friends too..

BTW... I was a Bio degree with a microbio and kines minor. I also worked a 15 hour a week job AND still had time to volunteer as an EMT for 6-12 hours a week. I also worked blood drives and did other such events.

Guess what else, I went out and partied on the weekend and played wow TABOOT! All with grades and scores that were good enough to get into med school.

Quit being such a whiner.

I would have much rather had a tuition break doing something that interests me (volunteering in medicine) than slaving for shitty tips as a pizza delivery driver because I needed to get by. This would have given me that option.

I am sure you and your EE major friends could have fixed tv's or put together stereos or tech support for underprivileged children or something (that is what EE's do, right...)


EDIT: And I am sure there are some charities who need someone to crunch numbers and keep books and that would be perfect for all your other Asian friends who weren't EE majors.

Good for you. I'm sure you enjoyed wiping feces off the floor and having cyber sex with elves, but forcing others to do ridiculous things is crazy. Requiring 100 hours is just not feasible in rigorous programs and it will hurt the quality of education.

I also wonder how people are going to volunteer 100 hours in small college towns. Someone will be wiping the shit off the floor because there are only so many viable positions available.

I can already imagine it. It's going to be like the infamous People's College of the Law where the students clean the bathrooms.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Sorry... I forgot that going to Columbia for undergrad is a breeze too.

Going for a political science undergrad is a breeze anywhere.

 

[evident]

change.com is a sexy lingerie website

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.

Yeah... Harvard law school is succccccccccccch a breeze. He probably just sat pool side all day thinking about how in a few years he was going to steal money from all you people who did hard work.

Everything I have heard is requiring service in order to get tuition money.... maybe you would have had time to do volunteering if you weren't working a job to pay exorbitant amounts of money for your education.

I worked plenty of shit jobs in college to pay my bills and have many a friend who is neck deep in debt. I would gladly have taken the option Obama is suggesting.

Are you really that dumb? A professional school is not college.

Service for tuition will provide an unfair preference towards certain college degrees. It would also disproportionately punish Asians who tend to go for more difficult subjects.

playing the yellow card already? I had slacker Asian friends too..

BTW... I was a Bio degree with a microbio and kines minor. I also worked a 15 hour a week job AND still had time to volunteer as an EMT for 6-12 hours a week. I also worked blood drives and did other such events.

Guess what else, I went out and partied on the weekend and played wow TABOOT! All with grades and scores that were good enough to get into med school.

Quit being such a whiner.

I would have much rather had a tuition break doing something that interests me (volunteering in medicine) than slaving for shitty tips as a pizza delivery driver because I needed to get by. This would have given me that option.

I am sure you and your EE major friends could have fixed tv's or put together stereos or tech support for underprivileged children or something (that is what EE's do, right...)


EDIT: And I am sure there are some charities who need someone to crunch numbers and keep books and that would be perfect for all your other Asian friends who weren't EE majors.

Good for you. I'm sure you enjoyed wiping feces off the floor and having cyber sex with elves, but forcing others to do ridiculous things is crazy. Requiring 100 hours is just not feasible in rigorous programs and it will hurt the quality of education.

I also wonder how people are going to volunteer 100 hours in small college towns. Someone will be wiping the shit off the floor because there are only so many viable positions available.

I can already imagine it. It's going to be like the infamous People's College of the Law where the students clean the bathrooms.

If you are too lazy to serve then I guess you don't deserve any handouts. Damn I must sound like a conservative....

And not to burst your bubble but I was too busy saving lives to clean shit off the floor. That job was taken care of by Joe the Janitor.

100 hours is nothing. You probably easily worked more than a hundred hours in a semester... I know I did.

By the way did I guess right... EE or Math?

My EE friends never seemed to have a problem being active in different organizations and doing community service. Maybe you just had to work at it a little harder...

 

[SirStev0]

Oh and in case I did guess wrong and you are whining about how hard it is to be a business major or something... 100 hours a semester... (not a full year, a semester) would be 6.66 hours a week.

If you couldn't manage college and 6.66 hours doing something to better your community while at the same time getting money for college you are pathetic, lazy and helpless.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

If you are too lazy to serve then I guess you don't deserve any handouts. Damn I must sound like a conservative....

Yes, you sound like an authoritarian conservative.

And not to burst your bubble but I was too busy saving lives to clean shit off the floor. That job was taken care of by the janitor.

Look, I cannot verify your personal information nor do I care about it. You could have been having cyber sex with goblins for all I know.

I volunteered. I even worked which provided me with skills for grad school and my job. But it's irrelevant.

100 hours is nothing. You probably easily worked more than a hundred hours in a semester... I know I did.

100 hours is a tremendous amount for certain programs.

By the way did I guess right... EE or Math?

My EE friends never seemed to have a problem being active in different organizations and doing community service. Maybe you just had to work at it a little harder...

I was an EE.

People can make time. I'd just rather see they make time doing other activities.

I want people to do research.
I want people to join organizations like building solar cars, etc.
I want people to work jobs that provide them with direct skills.
I want people to go out and teach if they want to be a teacher.
I want people to join clubs or even make their own clubs and learn leadership skills.

You want people to clean shit off the floors for 400 hours.

 

[quest55720]

If Obama wants college kids or others to earn their government money I have no issue with that. Heck I think it is a great idea and should include most who get a check from uncle Sam. But making middle school/high school aged kids volunteer can be a big burden on the parents especially in rural areas. I also disagree with forcing people to join who don't get any sort of government assistance or check.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Oh and in case I did guess wrong and you are whining about how hard it is to be a business major or something... 100 hours a semester... (not a full year, a semester) would be 6.66 hours a week.

If you couldn't manage college and 6.66 hours doing something to better your community while at the same time getting money for college you are pathetic, lazy and helpless.

The moral argument for communism. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SirStev0

If you are too lazy to serve then I guess you don't deserve any handouts. Damn I must sound like a conservative....

Yes, you sound like an authoritarian conservative.

And not to burst your bubble but I was too busy saving lives to clean shit off the floor. That job was taken care of by the janitor.

Look, I cannot verify your personal information nor do I care about it. You could have been having cyber sex with goblins for all I know.

I volunteered. I even worked which provided me with skills for grad school and my job. But it's irrelevant.

100 hours is nothing. You probably easily worked more than a hundred hours in a semester... I know I did.

100 hours is a tremendous amount for certain programs.

By the way did I guess right... EE or Math?

My EE friends never seemed to have a problem being active in different organizations and doing community service. Maybe you just had to work at it a little harder...

I was an EE.

People can make time. I'd just rather see they make time doing other activities.

I want people to do research.
I want people to join organizations like building solar cars, etc.
I want people to work jobs that provide them with direct skills.
I want people to go out and teach if they want to be a teacher.
I want people to join clubs or even make their own clubs and learn leadership skills.

You want people to clean shit off the floors for 400 hours.

You are the only one putting limits on it. Again, from what I have read, Obama wants to put in a system where people can do service to this nation and get money for college. There are hundreds of options for community service currently.

Maybe you could get some financial help for volunteering for an after school program where you build a solar car. Sounds like a hell of an idea to me and would maybe get American kids back to being interested in science and engineering.

There is choice there. Here is a pile of money to help better yourself. To get it you must better your community and the world. Your choice. Go.

Doesn't that sound like a better idea than graduating people in massive debt?


and finally, a) did it freak you out I guessed your major? Because you just have that same tone every EE major has.. and
b) I preferred to cyber murlocs....

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Oh and in case I did guess wrong and you are whining about how hard it is to be a business major or something... 100 hours a semester... (not a full year, a semester) would be 6.66 hours a week.

If you couldn't manage college and 6.66 hours doing something to better your community while at the same time getting money for college you are pathetic, lazy and helpless.

The moral argument for communism. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.

You must of not gotten the memo. It is not communism it is change you can believe in .

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

I was an EE.

People can make time. I'd just rather see they make time doing other activities.

I want people to do research.
I want people to join organizations like building solar cars, etc.
I want people to work jobs that provide them with direct skills.
I want people to go out and teach if they want to be a teacher.
I want people to join clubs or even make their own clubs and learn leadership skills.

You want people to clean shit off the floors for 400 hours.

You're being naive. The average college job is some crummy minimum wage crap. 100 hours of community service @ 40$ / hour is way better. Besides, if they don't want it, nobody is forcing them to do it.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?

Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.

19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.

I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.

I hate the idea of mandatory military service because all of the dolts that would pass through. But if you gave them other options like the ones you mentioned I'd be all for it.

This is from the webpate.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

It could be my second rate rural education but I swear that require is the same as forced.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Oh and in case I did guess wrong and you are whining about how hard it is to be a business major or something... 100 hours a semester... (not a full year, a semester) would be 6.66 hours a week.

If you couldn't manage college and 6.66 hours doing something to better your community while at the same time getting money for college you are pathetic, lazy and helpless.

The moral argument for communism. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.

The ideological argument for laziness. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.

You are just against gov handouts when they are not for you.



Amazing how EARNING money is communism when a liberal suggests it.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Oh and in case I did guess wrong and you are whining about how hard it is to be a business major or something... 100 hours a semester... (not a full year, a semester) would be 6.66 hours a week.

If you couldn't manage college and 6.66 hours doing something to better your community while at the same time getting money for college you are pathetic, lazy and helpless.

The moral argument for communism. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.

The ideological argument for laziness. Mark my words, we will hear this same shite for the next four years.



Amazing how EARNING money is communism when a liberal suggests it.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.


So the government is going to give 10-12 year olds checks now? I don't think so this is forced service that will be a burden on parents.