Originally posted by: sandorski
It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sandorski
It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
It isn't kindness when you are forced to do something. Its kindness when you do something out of your own free will.
And I think your statement here is a slap in the face to those who already do, or have done, these things, not because they are forced to do so, but because they wanted to.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Sounds horrible. Too bad we didn't have all these Anti-Liberals (since their views are barely conservative and their only real stance is the opposite of whatever Obama says) back during WW2 when those damn Commie Liberals forced all those poor kids to collect recycling and run drives and forced all our women to get jobs and dress butch.
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Right, because the way to keep young people on your side is to make them do community service.
I think I may enjoy 2012 more than I originally thought. :laugh:
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Sounds horrible. Too bad we didn't have all these Anti-Liberals (since their views are barely conservative and their only real stance is the opposite of whatever Obama says) back during WW2 when those damn Commie Liberals forced all those poor kids to collect recycling and run drives and forced all our women to get jobs and dress butch.
If you want to go back in history and find times where people were forced to work, we can do so. No one was telling blacks they were very nice people to pick so much cotton.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Sounds horrible. Too bad we didn't have all these Anti-Liberals (since their views are barely conservative and their only real stance is the opposite of whatever Obama says) back during WW2 when those damn Commie Liberals forced all those poor kids to collect recycling and run drives and forced all our women to get jobs and dress butch.
If you want to go back in history and find times where people were forced to work, we can do so. No one was telling blacks they were very nice people to pick so much cotton.
That's fine and dandy, but is so far from what's being proposed as to be ridiculous.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Sounds horrible. Too bad we didn't have all these Anti-Liberals (since their views are barely conservative and their only real stance is the opposite of whatever Obama says) back during WW2 when those damn Commie Liberals forced all those poor kids to collect recycling and run drives and forced all our women to get jobs and dress butch.
If you want to go back in history and find times where people were forced to work, we can do so. No one was telling blacks they were very nice people to pick so much cotton.
That's fine and dandy, but is so far from what's being proposed as to be ridiculous.
If the service is required, then I don't see much of a difference. Picking cotton, picking up trash in the streets. All the same, IMO.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: sandorski
I couldn't even begin to imagine what a Mandatory 1-2 hours Community Service a week involving 10's of millions(guesstimate) of Kids could possibly find to do. The Streets would be picked clean, little Old Ladies would be carried around, there'd be more Volunteers at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens than the Homeless and Hungry. It would be a Chaos of Kindness!
Sounds horrible. Too bad we didn't have all these Anti-Liberals (since their views are barely conservative and their only real stance is the opposite of whatever Obama says) back during WW2 when those damn Commie Liberals forced all those poor kids to collect recycling and run drives and forced all our women to get jobs and dress butch.
If you want to go back in history and find times where people were forced to work, we can do so. No one was telling blacks they were very nice people to pick so much cotton.
That's fine and dandy, but is so far from what's being proposed as to be ridiculous.
If the service is required, then I don't see much of a difference. Picking cotton, picking up trash in the streets. All the same, IMO.
If, sure, but it's not.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.
Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.
What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.
Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.
Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.
What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.
Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?
I am no Republican but my children are not slaves for some government social fantasy. You want to offer them some financial aid in return for voluntary service? I can live with that. Ordering them to serve regardless? Sure, when you and your kids are forced to sit in a church. As for me, I have to deal with nutcases on both sides, but we are not slaves, and the goverment ordering people to work for them is slavery. To paraphrase 300, THIS IS AMERICA. My liberty and that of my children is not for sale, whether it be Republican or Democrat. NO!
Hopefully Obama has the sense to realize that his party will be kicked to the back of the short bus if he tries to make this crap mandatory.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Better call your school board right now! I guarantee they already have a community service requirement.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.
Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.
What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.
Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?
I am no Republican but my children are not slaves for some government social fantasy. You want to offer them some financial aid in return for voluntary service? I can live with that. Ordering them to serve regardless? Sure, when you and your kids are forced to sit in a church. As for me, I have to deal with nutcases on both sides, but we are not slaves, and the goverment ordering people to work for them is slavery. To paraphrase 300, THIS IS AMERICA. My liberty and that of my children is not for sale, whether it be Republican or Democrat. NO!
Hopefully Obama has the sense to realize that his party will be kicked to the back of the short bus if he tries to make this crap mandatory.
Better call your school board right now! I guarantee they already have a community service requirement.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Better call your school board right now! I guarantee they already have a community service requirement.
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I am not certain where I stand with this sort of thing. There are positive and negative sides to it. What I won't do is fear what someone "might" require later in America because I believe that we should worry about crossing that bridge only when and if we ever get to it.
However, many people in America including those on this forum are always bitching about how America is not responsible enough. Doing nothing to teach more responsibility will change nothing. While I don't view this idea as a full solution to that problem, such a program could have influences on teaching America's future more about responsibility. That's one of the potential positive sides. That plus there are tons of High Schools which require Community Service hours that amount to 50 or something close to it in order to graduate already.
Obviously the details have not been laid out yet. That is one very short paragraph on his site after all. However, I do hope that additional options are available and I think that the middle school and college hours should be less. Maybe make it 25 for middle and 50-75 for college. I remember putting in a total of 250 hours over the course of 4 years in HS.
Not sure. Like I said my position is undecided on this. It depends on so many details that we do not know.
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I am not certain where I stand with this sort of thing. There are positive and negative sides to it. What I won't do is fear what someone "might" require later in America because I believe that we should worry about crossing that bridge only when and if we ever get to it.
However, many people in America including those on this forum are always bitching about how America is not responsible enough. Doing nothing to teach more responsibility will change nothing. While I don't view this idea as a full solution to that problem, such a program could have influences on teaching America's future more about responsibility. That's one of the potential positive sides. That plus there are tons of High Schools which require Community Service hours that amount to 50 or something close to it in order to graduate already.
Obviously the details have not been laid out yet. That is one very short paragraph on his site after all. However, I do hope that additional options are available and I think that the middle school and college hours should be less. Maybe make it 25 for middle and 50-75 for college. I remember putting in a total of 250 hours over the course of 4 years in HS.
Not sure. Like I said my position is undecided on this. It depends on so many details that we do not know.
Who do I send the invoice for the hours that I'm forced to work? My going rate is about $20/hr while in Graduate school
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?
Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.
19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.
I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.
Right. Forcing adults to do things they dont want to do, because you think they need it. How religious of you.
Landslide, here we come.
Just imagine, if fleets of American ships like the USS Mercy came to the rescue within 24-48 hours of any major natural disaster anywhere on the globe with the precision of the US Military. The world would love us! Heck, it would be a great government organization for retired military, high school drop outs, perhaps even the homeless. Then, along side them, 19-year-old "kids" learning about how the real world works outside of suburbia. Helping erect hospital walls in Africa or taking care of an AIDS-infected child or carrying bags of rice in Asia...would make responsible men (and women) out of those spoiled brats in no time.
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.
Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.
What it really is, is Republicans acting like Republicans when they win, and then trying to scare Democrats into acting like Republicans when they lose. People elected Democrats because they want universal healthcare, they want an end to the war in Iraq, they like Obama's tax plan better, etc... etc.... etc. Don't trust me, check the polls. On nearly every salient issue people prefer the Democrats.
Obama won't go too far to the left not because of any warnings, but because he's a centrist. I wish he would go much further to the left, but we can't have everything we want in life, can we?
I am no Republican but my children are not slaves for some government social fantasy. You want to offer them some financial aid in return for voluntary service? I can live with that. Ordering them to serve regardless? Sure, when you and your kids are forced to sit in a church. As for me, I have to deal with nutcases on both sides, but we are not slaves, and the goverment ordering people to work for them is slavery. To paraphrase 300, THIS IS AMERICA. My liberty and that of my children is not for sale, whether it be Republican or Democrat. NO!
Hopefully Obama has the sense to realize that his party will be kicked to the back of the short bus if he tries to make this crap mandatory.
Better call your school board right now! I guarantee they already have a community service requirement.
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Why? I have kids in school. They have to learn math and science and the like. They have after school activities the can CHOOSE to participate in. No one is forced.
Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
The USA has responded with more aid, more funds, faster, and longer than anyone else in the world, and guess what, the world still does not love us. A "great government organization", another one!! are you nutz. Now loading up the homeless, the high school drop-outs, the punk kids, and sending them off to Somalia to distribute rice, so they can see how the real world works, Hmmmm, --- I'm thinking, I'm thinking
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Why? I have kids in school. They have to learn math and science and the like. They have after school activities the can CHOOSE to participate in. No one is forced.
Would you be happier if those activities acted as a form of exemption for the community service? I know that I would. Those are the kinds of details which we do not know yet. Give it time before passing judgment. Let's see what the real deal is first.
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I am not certain where I stand with this sort of thing. There are positive and negative sides to it. What I won't do is fear what someone "might" require later in America because I believe that we should worry about crossing that bridge only when and if we ever get to it.
However, many people in America including those on this forum are always bitching about how America is not responsible enough. Doing nothing to teach more responsibility will change nothing. While I don't view this idea as a full solution to that problem, such a program could have influences on teaching America's future more about responsibility. That's one of the potential positive sides. That plus there are tons of High Schools which require Community Service hours that amount to 50 or something close to it in order to graduate already.
Obviously the details have not been laid out yet. That is one very short paragraph on his site after all. However, I do hope that additional options are available and I think that the middle school and college hours should be less. Maybe make it 25 for middle and 50-75 for college. Maybe either reduce the hours or exempt those who participate in certain extra curricular activities such as ROTC or band or some kind of sports. Such rules are already in place for many programs like this. I remember putting in a total of 250 hours over the course of 4 years in HS.
Not sure. Like I said my position is undecided on this. It depends on so many details that we do not know.