wat? Change.gov is a government website now?

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: extra
See, here is what I don't get. An "assault weapon" is just a scary looking semi automatic rifle. Not even a powerful one. One in alaska we wouldn't even have carried with us for anything other than if you were trying to shoot like, a small creature like a wolverine or squirrel or something.

Here's the real thing I don't get though. Why the focus on scary looking, honestly fairy puny (though you can kill a person easily with even a .22lr, us humans are sadly fragile ), semi auto rifles????? I mean, this is going to sound terrible and honestly writing this kind of makes me feel ill, but, if I was a horrible murdering criminal, I mean not the average type that does a spur of the moment shooting with a pistol, but a real like serial killer who just wanted to do as much damage as possible, and you sat down and had to pick between these two weapons:

1. A fully automatic ak-47 with 100 rounds of ammo. (which obviously isn't an assault rifle, assault rifles are just semi auto)

Or

2. A bolt action .416 remington (good cartridge for bear hunting, but we used it for deer hunting as well because it ensures quick humane kill and the large bullet doesn't fragment and damage any meat) with 100 rounds of ammo in a backpack and a good quality hunting scope.

Which could you honestly do more damage with???

You could do more damage with the fully automatic AK-47 with 100 rounds of ammo.

 

[palehorse]

Both of these ideas suck, and I hope Obama stays too busy to ever implement either one.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: bamacre

And there it is, mandatory service. Yet I was told I was wrong in this thread.

almost like an army...

And so it begins.

Yeah, community service is a SURE way to build an army... :laugh:

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: extra
See, here is what I don't get. An "assault weapon" is just a scary looking semi automatic rifle. Not even a powerful one. One in alaska we wouldn't even have carried with us for anything other than if you were trying to shoot like, a small creature like a wolverine or squirrel or something.

Here's the real thing I don't get though. Why the focus on scary looking, honestly fairy puny (though you can kill a person easily with even a .22lr, us humans are sadly fragile ), semi auto rifles????? I mean, this is going to sound terrible and honestly writing this kind of makes me feel ill, but, if I was a horrible murdering criminal, I mean not the average type that does a spur of the moment shooting with a pistol, but a real like serial killer who just wanted to do as much damage as possible, and you sat down and had to pick between these two weapons:

1. A fully automatic ak-47 with 100 rounds of ammo. (which obviously isn't an assault rifle, assault rifles are just semi auto)

Or

2. A bolt action .416 remington (good cartridge for bear hunting, but we used it for deer hunting as well because it ensures quick humane kill and the large bullet doesn't fragment and damage any meat) with 100 rounds of ammo in a backpack and a good quality hunting scope.

Which could you honestly do more damage with???

You could do more damage with the fully automatic AK-47 with 100 rounds of ammo.

too many video games.....

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I've read a bit about this. It seems that its about funding. A school will be given funding if they implement this into their curricular. So in actuality, its kind of a backdoor way to force people into community service. Kids are required by law to go to school, then the schools take up the community service BS because they want more funding. It's not Obama standing over them declaring they serve, but its Obama standing over the schools with money saying "Do what I say and you get cash!".

Wow... just like no child left behind. This is how the fed gov works. Same reason why we have speed limits.

 

[thirtythree]

Hm. Strange that "America Serves" gets its own link in the top bar even though it's just a couple paragraphs.

 

[mooseracing]

I can't beleive this is coming as a suprise. Everyone should have know what a former socialist party member was going to do to us.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
I can't beleive this is coming as a suprise. Everyone should have know what a former socialist party member was going to do to us.

You and your party bitch about personal responsibility in America and then when someone in government comes along and presents a plan that will help teach that responsibility to our children, help the community, and increase funding for schools all at the same time you complain about that. What you really want is for America to obtain a sense of responsibility for free just like the hand outs from social services that you despise so much. Don't you get it? What we got isn't working and we need to work harder if we are going to improve things.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
You and your party bitch about personal responsibility in America and then when someone in government comes along and presents a plan that will help teach that responsibility to our children, help the community, and increase funding for schools all at the same time you complain about that. What you really want is for America to obtain a sense of responsibility for free just like the hand outs from social services that you despise so much. Don't you get it? What we got isn't working and we need to work harder if we are going to improve things.

PERSONAL responsibility, not government-mandated responsibility. If you are relying on the government to teach people personal responsibility, it's little wonder that so few people in this country have any.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Xavier434
You and your party bitch about personal responsibility in America and then when someone in government comes along and presents a plan that will help teach that responsibility to our children, help the community, and increase funding for schools all at the same time you complain about that. What you really want is for America to obtain a sense of responsibility for free just like the hand outs from social services that you despise so much. Don't you get it? What we got isn't working and we need to work harder if we are going to improve things.

PERSONAL responsibility, not government-mandated responsibility. If you are relying on the government to teach people personal responsibility, it's little wonder that so few people in this country have any.

Relying? No.

Happy that they are trying to create opportunities for it to be influenced? You betcha.

Obviously relying on the American people to do it solely on their own isn't working out that well. Did you do anything kind of service like this when you were in high school? I know I did and it taught me a lot. The government already forces us by law to send our children to school to be educated. Do you have a problem with that too?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Relying? No.

Happy that they are trying to create opportunities for it to be influenced? You betcha.

Creating and MANDATING "opportunities" are two completely different animals. I have no problem with the creation of opportunities. However, I abhor the idea that these opportunities would be mandated, which is what is being proposed.

Obviously relying on the American people to do it solely on their own isn't working out that well. Did you do anything kind of service like this when you were in high school? I know I did and it taught me a lot. The government already forces us by law to send our children to school to be educated. Do you have a problem with that too?

Yes, and I still do service work on a completely voluntary basis. I also give to charity completely of my own volition. *GASP* Not everyone needs a boot up their ass just to do what they ought to do in the first place - only the liberals seem to have that problem, and it's a very serious problem. Maybe that's the driving force for liberals' love of big government - they need it, therefore they assume everyone else does, too.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Did this thing just go up today? Haven't heard about it before.

Yes, it looks like it existed, but was password protected prior to the 6th.

Odd, it's *.gov*, but at the bottom says it's a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization? I don't understand how that can be, a 501(c)4 org is NOT a government org. Most 501(c)4 orgs are homeowner associations, civic leagues and employee orgs. and the like.

501(c)4 orgs:

Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit
but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or
local associations of employees, the membership of which is
limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a
particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are
devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational
purposes.

Too bad much of what is mentioned on this odd site never seemed to have made it into election coverage.

Otherwise, some very scary posters in this thread. Eslewhere so many complaints of *having things crammed downed their throats* etc but are here vigorously defending government imposed mandatory "community" service? (I wonder about the constitutionality of that? If it is indeed intended as mandatory.)

And who was it only a few days ago calling people "paraniod" because they were concerned about a revived gun ban? Prescient is more like it.

The site is getting real slow for me, otherwise I'd look more. I would not be surprised to find the "Fairness Doctrine" there.

Fern

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Relying? No.

Happy that they are trying to create opportunities for it to be influenced? You betcha.

Creating and MANDATING "opportunities" are two completely different animals. I have no problem with the creation of opportunities. However, I abhor the idea that these opportunities would be mandated, which is what is being proposed.

Obviously relying on the American people to do it solely on their own isn't working out that well. Did you do anything kind of service like this when you were in high school? I know I did and it taught me a lot. The government already forces us by law to send our children to school to be educated. Do you have a problem with that too?

Yes, and I still do service work on a completely voluntary basis. I also give to charity completely of my own volition. *GASP* Not everyone needs a boot up their ass just to do what they ought to do in the first place - only the liberals seem to have that problem, and it's a very serious problem. Maybe that's the driving force for liberals' love of big government - they need it, therefore they assume everyone else does, too.

They are creating opportunities and you might be forced to choose some them. I say "might" because we really don't know what this is all about yet. However, let's assume that your are required to choose some. You realize you are also required by law to send your kids to school so that they can learn right? This is nothing more than an extension of the curriculum that teaches kids responsibility, helps the community, and brings more money to school all in one sitting. Why are you so against such a thing and are not against being required by law to send your kids to school?

 

[thirtythree]

This has probably been posted already, but here's some clarification (maybe?) from barackobama.com under Issues > Service:

"Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. They will develop national guidelines for service-learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience."

"Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year."

It makes it sound less like a federal mandate, anyway... some clarification would be ideal though.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Relying? No.

Happy that they are trying to create opportunities for it to be influenced? You betcha.

Creating and MANDATING "opportunities" are two completely different animals. I have no problem with the creation of opportunities. However, I abhor the idea that these opportunities would be mandated, which is what is being proposed.

Obviously relying on the American people to do it solely on their own isn't working out that well. Did you do anything kind of service like this when you were in high school? I know I did and it taught me a lot. The government already forces us by law to send our children to school to be educated. Do you have a problem with that too?

Yes, and I still do service work on a completely voluntary basis. I also give to charity completely of my own volition. *GASP* Not everyone needs a boot up their ass just to do what they ought to do in the first place - only the liberals seem to have that problem, and it's a very serious problem. Maybe that's the driving force for liberals' love of big government - they need it, therefore they assume everyone else does, too.

They are creating opportunities and you might be forced to choose some them. I say "might" because we really don't know what this is all about yet. However, let's assume that your are required to choose some. You realize you are also required by law to send your kids to school so that they can learn right? This is nothing more than an extension of the curriculum that teaches kids responsibility, helps the community, and brings more money to school all in one sitting. Why are you so against such a thing and are not against being required by law to send your kids to school?

There is a big difference between being forced to participate in a service the government provides and being forced to provide a service for the government.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: mooseracing
I can't beleive this is coming as a suprise. Everyone should have know what a former socialist party member was going to do to us.

You and your party bitch about personal responsibility in America and then when someone in government comes along and presents a plan that will help teach that responsibility to our children, help the community, and increase funding for schools all at the same time you complain about that. What you really want is for America to obtain a sense of responsibility for free just like the hand outs from social services that you despise so much. Don't you get it? What we got isn't working and we need to work harder if we are going to improve things.

Here is where the dems get it wrong, why should the government be teaching personal responsibility, shouldn't that be instilled in the kids by their parents? Oh I forget, the government should wipe our asses too.


I wouldn't have any issues with this program if is indeed voluntary and if the amount of hours for this 4000 dollars was more than 100. Something more like over 500 hours. 40 dollars an hour is too much. hell most people don't make that rate in america, atleast not until the dems raise the minimum wage up to 40 dollars.

 

[jpeyton]

These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

Teach you own youngster the importance of community service and stay away from mine.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

Sometimes I think you are purely a comedian here to entertain us.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

Sometimes I think you are purely a comedian here to entertain us.

Not at all; just a citizen who is happy that Obama will be the President until January 20th, 2017.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

Sometimes I think you are purely a comedian here to entertain us.

Not at all; just a citizen who is happy that Obama will be the President until January 20th, 2017.

Why stop there? Why not just pull a pooty-poot and stay longer?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These plans are so awesome.

I can't wait until he starts implementing them.

Teach our youngsters about the rewards of community service.

Sometimes I think you are purely a comedian here to entertain us.

Not at all; just a citizen who is happy that Obama will be the President until January 20th, 2017.

Why stop there? Why not just pull a pooty-poot and stay longer?

Here you go, I setup a counter for you so you won't forget.

 

[daishi5]

Some thoughts, if the work earns them money for college, good investment. I like this a lot better than most grants because it gives people who decide to turn their life around a chance. I like the model of "yes we will help you but you must work for it," much more than the model of "your history looks good here is free money." The fact that it pays way over the normal wage that a student could earn is necessary, if we are trying to help them pay for college and just pay them normal wages we are just adding more job choices. This sounds like a grant with a work requirement, no problem here.

If the work is mandatory, this is a bad bad thing. This was a country founded on the concepts of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty means being free to make your own choices, and when the government requires something of you, it is taking away your liberty.

The assualt weapons ban, dear god i knew this was coming. Where are all those people who were telling me Obama wasn't going to try to take my guns? Please, if you are a gun owner, explain to the people you know what the assault weapons ban really means, they really do think that "assault weapon" means something. Only through exposing the pure stupidity of that label can we hope to make a difference.

Oh, and I think we need to stop calling them "swimming pools" and start calling them "baby drowning traps."

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: sandorski
It would be a Chaos of Kindness!

It isn't kindness when you are forced to do something. Its kindness when you do something out of your own free will.

And I think your statement here is a slap in the face to those who already do, or have done, these things, not because they are forced to do so, but because they wanted to.

Republicans wouldn't know what kindness was if it slapped them in the face.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Gee, now it's all been removed from the website...

And if you search for Destroy America it comes back with 13 results