Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Gee, now it's all been removed from the website...
And if you search for Destroy America it comes back with 13 results
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Did this thing just go up today? Haven't heard about it before.
Yes, it looks like it existed, but was password protected prior to the 6th.
Odd, it's *.gov*, but at the bottom says it's a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization? I don't understand how that can be, a 501(c)4 org is NOT a government org. Most 501(c)4 orgs are homeowner associations, civic leagues and employee orgs. and the like.
501(c)4 orgs:
Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit
but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or
local associations of employees, the membership of which is
limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a
particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are
devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational
purposes.
Too bad much of what is mentioned on this odd site never seemed to have made it into election coverage.
Otherwise, some very scary posters in this thread. Eslewhere so many complaints of *having things crammed downed their throats* etc but are here vigorously defending government imposed mandatory "community" service? (I wonder about the constitutionality of that? If it is indeed intended as mandatory.)
And who was it only a few days ago calling people "paraniod" because they were concerned about a revived gun ban? Prescient is more like it.
The site is getting real slow for me, otherwise I'd look more. I would not be surprised to find the "Fairness Doctrine" there.
Fern
Originally posted by: jman19
Yeah, community service is a SURE way to build an army... :laugh:
Originally posted by: mooseracing
I can't beleive this is coming as a suprise. Everyone should have know what a former socialist party member was going to do to us.
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?
Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.
19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.
I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.
I hate the idea of mandatory military service because all of the dolts that would pass through. But if you gave them other options like the ones you mentioned I'd be all for it.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Did this thing just go up today? Haven't heard about it before.
Yes, it looks like it existed, but was password protected prior to the 6th.
Odd, it's *.gov*, but at the bottom says it's a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization? I don't understand how that can be, a 501(c)4 org is NOT a government org. Most 501(c)4 orgs are homeowner associations, civic leagues and employee orgs. and the like.
501(c)4 orgs:
Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit
but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or
local associations of employees, the membership of which is
limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a
particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are
devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational
purposes.
Too bad much of what is mentioned on this odd site never seemed to have made it into election coverage.
Otherwise, some very scary posters in this thread. Eslewhere so many complaints of *having things crammed downed their throats* etc but are here vigorously defending government imposed mandatory "community" service? (I wonder about the constitutionality of that? If it is indeed intended as mandatory.)
And who was it only a few days ago calling people "paraniod" because they were concerned about a revived gun ban? Prescient is more like it.
The site is getting real slow for me, otherwise I'd look more. I would not be surprised to find the "Fairness Doctrine" there.
Fern
Hahahaha. The fairness doctrine again. Polish up your tinfoil hat, Fern! You're getting to be just like all the other crazies on here. You listening to a bit of Rush yourself, or are you just picking it up from the idiots here? For like the thirtieth time, Obama opposes the fairness doctrine. No matter how much right wing talk radio tells you otherwise, no matter how badly your paranoia about a Democratic president tells you otherwise, no matter how many posts winnar111 makes about it, it runs in direct opposition to Obama's stated policy on the subject.
As far as if community service can be mandatory constitutionally, of course it can. The government can pick you up, force you into military service, tell you to charge a hill to your death, and execute you if you refuse to do it. You think they can't make you pick up garbage? Please. And you think making mandatory community service is a problem? There are already high schools that do this.
That more gun control was likely on the was under Obama was never the point, as his stance is fairly clear, it was the morons stocking up on guns that was the issue. Guns are not going to suddenly become illegal, there will still be hundreds if not thousands of ways to murder your fellow citizens with firearms under an Obama administration.
The week or so since the election has seen an amazing explosion of insanity on these boards. I'm not sure if it is because of the slow news cycle that people have decided to examine very general documents with a microscope and draw crazy conclusions from them, if it's just enraged right wingers looking for items to indulge their feeling of persecution, or what. What I can tell you people is that the way you are acting right now is insane. You aren't talking about legislation passed or even proposed, not even proposed items sent to the Congress, not regulations proposed through federal agencies, but some super general statements on a website.
Take a deep breath people, grab a paper bag. Go outside for awhile and notice civilization hasn't crumbled. You're going to go nuts and kill yourselves or someone else if you keep this shit up.
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Did this thing just go up today? Haven't heard about it before.
Yes, it looks like it existed, but was password protected prior to the 6th.
Odd, it's *.gov*, but at the bottom says it's a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization? I don't understand how that can be, a 501(c)4 org is NOT a government org. Most 501(c)4 orgs are homeowner associations, civic leagues and employee orgs. and the like.
501(c)4 orgs:
Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit
but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or
local associations of employees, the membership of which is
limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a
particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are
devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational
purposes.
Too bad much of what is mentioned on this odd site never seemed to have made it into election coverage.
Otherwise, some very scary posters in this thread. Eslewhere so many complaints of *having things crammed downed their throats* etc but are here vigorously defending government imposed mandatory "community" service? (I wonder about the constitutionality of that? If it is indeed intended as mandatory.)
And who was it only a few days ago calling people "paraniod" because they were concerned about a revived gun ban? Prescient is more like it.
The site is getting real slow for me, otherwise I'd look more. I would not be surprised to find the "Fairness Doctrine" there.
Fern
Hahahaha. The fairness doctrine again. Polish up your tinfoil hat, Fern! You're getting to be just like all the other crazies on here. You listening to a bit of Rush yourself, or are you just picking it up from the idiots here? For like the thirtieth time, Obama opposes the fairness doctrine. No matter how much right wing talk radio tells you otherwise, no matter how badly your paranoia about a Democratic president tells you otherwise, no matter how many posts winnar111 makes about it, it runs in direct opposition to Obama's stated policy on the subject.
As far as if community service can be mandatory constitutionally, of course it can. The government can pick you up, force you into military service, tell you to charge a hill to your death, and execute you if you refuse to do it. You think they can't make you pick up garbage? Please. And you think making mandatory community service is a problem? There are already high schools that do this.
That more gun control was likely on the was under Obama was never the point, as his stance is fairly clear, it was the morons stocking up on guns that was the issue. Guns are not going to suddenly become illegal, there will still be hundreds if not thousands of ways to murder your fellow citizens with firearms under an Obama administration.
The week or so since the election has seen an amazing explosion of insanity on these boards. I'm not sure if it is because of the slow news cycle that people have decided to examine very general documents with a microscope and draw crazy conclusions from them, if it's just enraged right wingers looking for items to indulge their feeling of persecution, or what. What I can tell you people is that the way you are acting right now is insane. You aren't talking about legislation passed or even proposed, not even proposed items sent to the Congress, not regulations proposed through federal agencies, but some super general statements on a website.
Take a deep breath people, grab a paper bag. Go outside for awhile and notice civilization hasn't crumbled. You're going to go nuts and kill yourselves or someone else if you keep this shit up.
Yep and Obama was against FISA even threatened to lead a filibuster against it. How that turn out again oh ya he voted for it. Obama does not have the guts to veto the fairness doctrine when it Pelosi/Reid pass it.
Originally posted by: quest55720
Yep and Obama was against FISA even threatened to lead a filibuster against it. How that turn out again oh ya he voted for it. Obama does not have the guts to veto the fairness doctrine when it Pelosi/Reid pass it.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
...mandatory "community" service? (I wonder about the constitutionality of that? If it is indeed intended as mandatory.)
And who was it only a few days ago calling people "paraniod" because they were concerned about a revived gun ban? Prescient is more like it.
The site is getting real slow for me, otherwise I'd look more. I would not be surprised to find the "Fairness Doctrine" there.
Fern
Hahahaha. The fairness doctrine again. Polish up your tinfoil hat, Fern! You're getting to be just like all the other crazies on here. You listening to a bit of Rush yourself, or are you just picking it up from the idiots here? For like the thirtieth time, Obama opposes the fairness doctrine. No matter how much right wing talk radio tells you otherwise, no matter how badly your paranoia about a Democratic president tells you otherwise, no matter how many posts winnar111 makes about it, it runs in direct opposition to Obama's stated policy on the subject.
The list of prominent Democratic Congress members who have recently come out publicly in support of reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine is quite long (e.g., Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, Durbam, Feinstei, Schumer etc).
And wannabe prognosticators with excessive confidence in their positions based soley upon a political candidate's *promises* are usually left looking foolish. If it passes and Obama vetoes it, I'll give you a gold star.
In light of the above, to dismiss those of us with (valid) concerns by stooping to silly name-calling (tinfoil hate etc) makes you look less-than-serious.
As far as if community service can be mandatory constitutionally, of course it can. The government can pick you up, force you into military service, tell you to charge a hill to your death, and execute you if you refuse to do it. You think they can't make you pick up garbage? Please. And you think making mandatory community service is a problem? There are already high schools that do this.
Boy, you sure do have an abundance of confidence. Now you're unequivically saying that mandatory community service is Constitutional? Haha.
Likening federally imposed mandatory community service to military service (draft/conscrition) is specious at best. The draft has endured a Constitional challenge inU.S. Supreme Court - ARVER v. U.S. , 245 U.S. 366 (1918) , of course the court noted that the Constitution empowers Congress to "raise and support armies" so I see no surprise here. But mandatory community service != armies. Oh, and neither is local government education standards/requirements.
Brushing aside your seemingly excessive confidence and juvenile derision of others, I note you haven't provided anything that would remotely support the Constitutionality of fed imposed mandatory community service. Therefore why the question should be dismissed out-of-hand is a mystery
That more gun control was likely on the was under Obama was never the point, as his stance is fairly clear, it was the morons stocking up on guns that was the issue. Guns are not going to suddenly become illegal, there will still be hundreds if not thousands of ways to murder your fellow citizens with firearms under an Obama administration.
Nope, you and others derided posters here for their concerns about losing some gun rights. The ban is reasonably seen as an infringement on those rights. Attemps to spin those remarks into something else will not extricate you from that blunder.
The week or so since the election has seen an amazing explosion of insanity on these boards. I'm not sure if it is because of the slow news cycle that people have decided to examine very general documents with a microscope and draw crazy conclusions from them, if it's just enraged right wingers looking for items to indulge their feeling of persecution, or what. What I can tell you people is that the way you are acting right now is insane. You aren't talking about legislation passed or even proposed, not even proposed items sent to the Congress, not regulations proposed through federal agencies, but some super general statements on a website.
To claim it's insanity to discuss what may be coming in the new Congress with Obama as President strikes me as silly. It's done all the time. Of course there's no new legislation yet. How stupid, they'll wait until the new Dem members and Obam are sworn in.
Yeah, there's a lot of insanity. The dems here are still obsessed with Palin? How irrelevent, unless they're focused on 2012 (which they are by the way). If you can guys post this stuff that is 4 years out, it's unreasonable as all h3ll to cirticize others for looking ahead only a couple of months
Take a deep breath people, grab a paper bag. Go outside for awhile and notice civilization hasn't crumbled. You're going to go nuts and kill yourselves or someone else if you keep this shit up.
More of this? BTW: comments like this reflect far worse on you than others
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?
Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.
19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.
I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.
Right. Forcing adults to do things they dont want to do, because you think they need it. How religious of you.
Landslide, here we come.
Just imagine, if fleets of American ships like the USS Mercy came to the rescue within 24-48 hours of any major natural disaster anywhere on the globe with the precision of the US Military. The world would love us! Heck, it would be a great government organization for retired military, high school drop outs, perhaps even the homeless. Then, along side them, 19-year-old "kids" learning about how the real world works outside of suburbia. Helping erect hospital walls in Africa or taking care of an AIDS-infected child or carrying bags of rice in Asia...would make responsible men (and women) out of those spoiled brats in no time.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about mandatory foreign service for a year between high school / college?
Create an international, larger version of the Peace Corps + FEMA = Global Emergency Management Agency.
19-year-olds would be required to learn basic life skills, CPR, etc. to help the poor in countries around the world / those devastated by natural disasters, etc.
I think it's what a lot of spoiled American kids need.
Right. Forcing adults to do things they dont want to do, because you think they need it. How religious of you.
Landslide, here we come.
Just imagine, if fleets of American ships like the USS Mercy came to the rescue within 24-48 hours of any major natural disaster anywhere on the globe with the precision of the US Military. The world would love us! Heck, it would be a great government organization for retired military, high school drop outs, perhaps even the homeless. Then, along side them, 19-year-old "kids" learning about how the real world works outside of suburbia. Helping erect hospital walls in Africa or taking care of an AIDS-infected child or carrying bags of rice in Asia...would make responsible men (and women) out of those spoiled brats in no time.
...and you call yourself an American?
"Hey, thank you guys for coming to help us."
"Yeah, whatever, we were forced to do it."
"Huh?"
"We didn't have a choice. We have to do this, the government makes us do it."
"You are a slave?"
"No. I'm an American, I come from the land of the free."
"You're a fucking slave, dude."