watch a brand new shiny $10,000,000.00 yaht sink on launch.

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waggy

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That's what I pretty much figured after watching the video and then seeing stills of the trucks they used to launch it with. One was already collapsing before the hull hit the water and it probably let it roll right off it, into unfortunately not deep enough water to float the hull, so it capsized.

i had to watch it closely to see what you are talking about. but this makes sense.
 

Kev

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Boat sinking not found; this video just appears to be some monologue by a gay super-villain. I'm not unmuting it to risk listening to him blabber as he strokes his ugly-ass animal.

hahah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

The wadsworth constant in full effect right here.
 

Markbnj

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That's what I pretty much figured after watching the video and then seeing stills of the trucks they used to launch it with. One was already collapsing before the hull hit the water and it probably let it roll right off it, into unfortunately not deep enough water to float the hull, so it capsized.

Despite the empathetic tone from cat guy, I think they messed this one up. Yachts of that size are heavy as hell, and that ramp would be flat, smooth, and well-supported. No way she should have been listing like that. They should have stopped when the pilothouse was abeam the guy on the balcony, at the latest. Fail by the yard foreman. His alarm bells should have been going off big-time.

I can't think of any reason to have continued that launch. Even if you thought dragging her back up would be difficult you'd call a halt, figure out the problem, stabilize the hull with some blocking, or bring in a crane and lift her off.
 

BUTCH1

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Despite the empathetic tone from cat guy, I think they messed this one up. Yachts of that size are heavy as hell, and that ramp would be flat, smooth, and well-supported. No way she should have been listing like that. They should have stopped when the pilothouse was abeam the guy on the balcony, at the latest. Fail by the yard foreman. His alarm bells should have been going off big-time.

I can't think of any reason to have continued that launch. Even if you thought dragging her back up would be difficult you'd call a halt, figure out the problem, stabilize the hull with some blocking, or bring in a crane and lift her off.

Yea, I agree with your earlier post that in fact if the hull would have been able to get into the water reasonably level it would have self-centered and corrected itself, I'm sure they've got the center of gravity thing figured out, this isn't their first launch. What I find dumb was using a tiny dolly system with almost-flattened wheels, with that arrangement any deviation from dead-center was going to cause problems, maybe they had "gotten away with it" before but clearly those dolly's were way undersized for the load, they should have spent the $$ for a better dolly system before launching vessels of this size, yes, that's a big $$ investment but in hindsight would have been peanuts compared to where they stand now. What remains to be seen is if and how much of this will be covered by insurance, their ins. co. may look at the video and refuse to pay out saying that it should have been known to use a different dolly system to get this hull to the water rather than use one clearly undersized and hope nothing goes wrong..
 

DrPizza

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Despite the empathetic tone from cat guy, I think they messed this one up. Yachts of that size are heavy as hell, and that ramp would be flat, smooth, and well-supported. No way she should have been listing like that. They should have stopped when the pilothouse was abeam the guy on the balcony, at the latest. Fail by the yard foreman. His alarm bells should have been going off big-time.

I can't think of any reason to have continued that launch. Even if you thought dragging her back up would be difficult you'd call a halt, figure out the problem, stabilize the hull with some blocking, or bring in a crane and lift her off.
I was thinking the same thing - very early on it was listing to port. I didn't expect that it was going to cause it to roll - because I would have been in disbelief that what I saw on the video was ignored by the "experts." I figured, "I'm just overly cautious, but they probably know better." I thought that something bizarre, like it was going to break in half and sink, was going to occur.
 

Markbnj

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I was thinking the same thing - very early on it was listing to port. I didn't expect that it was going to cause it to roll - because I would have been in disbelief that what I saw on the video was ignored by the "experts." I figured, "I'm just overly cautious, but they probably know better." I thought that something bizarre, like it was going to break in half and sink, was going to occur.

Yeah the thing that struck me was the total lack of apparent concern until she actually started to go over. I guess the best explanation for that is that they had seen some "wobble" on that ramp before, but all I can say is what I saw would have stopped me in my tracks.
 

SSSnail

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Those of you commenting on her high freeboard, there is a tremendous amount of weight below the waterline. Naval architects do these designs and a lot of engineering goes into a hull's roll characteristics. That's not to say mistakes can't be made, but this isn't a new design, and her tall appearance shouldn't fool you. To my eye it appeared as if the ramp collapsed on the one side, or they ran off it, before she was afloat, tossing her onto her beam ends. Most hulls would self-recover from that but she wasn't fully afloat, so she lay there and flooded.

Just a guess but that's what it looks like.

Not really, because if there was tremendous weight below the waterline, the waterline would be a lot higher. Not only that, but their decision to launch in such shallow water tells me the boat doesn't displace much water, therefore it is not optimal for anything larger than my bathtub. I wouldn't take it out if there's a slight breeze. And, it keels over so easily, because the top is heavy.
 

Bacstar

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Those of you commenting on her high freeboard, there is a tremendous amount of weight below the waterline. Naval architects do these designs and a lot of engineering goes into a hull's roll characteristics. That's not to say mistakes can't be made, but this isn't a new design, and her tall appearance shouldn't fool you. To my eye it appeared as if the ramp collapsed on the one side, or they ran off it, before she was afloat, tossing her onto her beam ends. Most hulls would self-recover from that but she wasn't fully afloat, so she lay there and flooded.

Just a guess but that's what it looks like.

I bet it was completely empty of fuel and fresh water...still looked way top heavy though
 

momeNt

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I'm surprised that 21st century boaters still use misogynistic language when referring to waterborne vessels.
 

Markbnj

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Not really, because if there was tremendous weight below the waterline, the waterline would be a lot higher. Not only that, but their decision to launch in such shallow water tells me the boat doesn't displace much water, therefore it is not optimal for anything larger than my bathtub. I wouldn't take it out if there's a slight breeze. And, it keels over so easily, because the top is heavy.

I have no doubt she was light, but no, she would not have rolled over of her own accord. As to whether the boat is tender in a sea, you'd have to read the experience of current owners. But the high profile doesn't mean she's tender. You can search Youtube and find dozens of videos of ships with taller profiles handling much greater rolls.
 

SSSnail

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I have no doubt she was light, but no, she would not have rolled over of her own accord. As to whether the boat is tender in a sea, you'd have to read the experience of current owners. But the high profile doesn't mean she's tender. You can search Youtube and find dozens of videos of ships with taller profiles handling much greater rolls.

Apparently, she did.

I'm pretty sure the other ships with higher profiles also have better proportions with regard to height, weight, width, etc...
 

Markbnj

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Apparently, she did.

I'm pretty sure the other ships with higher profiles also have better proportions with regard to height, weight, width, etc...

Don't think we know that. Still looks like an equipment failure to me. As for her proportions, I'm not a fan of them, but I am sure she is completely seaworthy. If you haven't been at sea then you have no idea how much roll a motor yacht like this one has to be able to tolerate. I've been on ships that rolled 60 degrees, as measured on the inclinometer in the pilothouse. They don't capsize if you happened to have used up most of the water and fuel. That might be an explanation if she was light, didn't have her engine in yet, or was otherwise missing a lot of weight, and hadn't been leaning to port well before the hull was half in the water. Something else happened.
 
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