Watch Matrix again, not as good, and HUGE plot hole

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desura

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i don't think they are that bad, if you look at them independently... but the problem is, the first one was SOO good, that it was impossible for the sequels to match it; therefore people hated the sequels with a passion

They were unique in that the hero goes to the top...and it isn't like a dumb WWE match of who has the bigger muscles, but there is a sense that the rebellion has happened before and it is accounted for by the powers that be.

In real life it reminds me of how Greece elected Syriza as a far left socialist party to rebel against the EU...but once Merle's presented the facts to Syriza, they capitulated. That is how the world actually is. Rebellions are accounted for, the guy on the top is not a banal villain but is often compassionate and humane.
 

mikeymikec

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If he can stop bullets couldn't he also stop their punches?
Why does he grab weapons to slap them with?! He could just stab them.. He had multiple opportunities.
That thing was just so long it got boring.

Yup. IMO Matrix 2 should have nullified Neo's "The One" influence by keeping him in reality / out of the matrix in some way, maybe allowing him back in for some finale. In Singer's X-Men movies it got a bit old how Prof. X kept getting sidelined, but you have to do something with a character that has god mode.
 

Paratus

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Yup. IMO Matrix 2 should have nullified Neo's "The One" influence by keeping him in reality / out of the matrix in some way, maybe allowing him back in for some finale. In Singer's X-Men movies it got a bit old how Prof. X kept getting sidelined, but you have to do something with a character that has god mode.

Yes. If Neo had the powers ascribed to him at the end of the Matrix he should have been able to simply remove any weapon, person or obstacle in his way.

He should have been able to wake anyone and everyone up. That would have led to the deaths of everyone tied to the matrix in the real world. That was the actual problem. No matter Neos powers in the matrix how was he supposed to save millions of people in a blasted post apocalyptic world with limited food and resources.

Eventually working with the machines was inevitable, they just could have gone about it a different and more satisfying way.
 

mikeymikec

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Yes. If Neo had the powers ascribed to him at the end of the Matrix he should have been able to simply remove any weapon, person or obstacle in his way.

He should have been able to wake anyone and everyone up. That would have led to the deaths of everyone tied to the matrix in the real world. That was the actual problem. No matter Neos powers in the matrix how was he supposed to save millions of people in a blasted post apocalyptic world with limited food and resources.

Eventually working with the machines was inevitable, they just could have gone about it a different and more satisfying way.

I remember reading a far better idea (written after M1) for how the Matrix movies would/should go in the form of someone's prediction of what the ultimate plot twist would be. It was a far better idea than the actual result was (admittedly, not that difficult to achieve). I wish I could find it now It revolved around the idea that Zion is a matrix in itself, and anyone who has "woken up" is actually connected to another matrix being Zion and are just other AIs, and Zion has its name as a result of language evolution, originally being 'zero one'. IIRC, all humans died in the war that 'the second renaissance' (Animatrix) mentioned, and the name of the city comes from there. I don't remember all the details, like why there would be a matrix in the first place in that scenario, but anyway. The author had a disclaimer that he would deny everything if his prediction turns out to be wrong, but I did track it down at some point after Revolutions was released.
 

John Connor

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was i the only one that thought the matrix was a metaphor for the internet?


One day there may be a real Matrix with implants. It will probably stem from smartphones. Think about the virus potential there! It would be a computer code virus so to speak, but code that causes you to have a heart attack or something else.
 

John Connor

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I bet if the Matrix was one long 6 hour movie with intermission no one would complain. The who thing is one big story on the matrix's rise and fall. Or at least Agent Smith's rise and fall. It all comes together. I loved the trilogy. Especially those bad ass human robot things which I can't remember the name. You know, the one's you climb into and operate in Zion? Talk about holy shit power!
 

louis redfoot

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I bet if the Matrix was one long 6 hour movie with intermission no one would complain. The who thing is one big story on the matrix's rise and fall. Or at least Agent Smith's rise and fall. It all comes together. I loved the trilogy. Especially those bad ass human robot things which I can't remember the name. You know, the one's you climb into and operate in Zion? Talk about holy shit power!

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