Watchdogs2 benchmarks

[Arachnotronic]

Actually its 209,99 AR each card, that is only $420 for GTX 1080 performance and with FreeSync support to make it even better.

Also, as said before, AMD CrossFire supports almost every new major 2016 title and many on day one

The games that support XFire support SLI and vice versa. I can't think of a single game in which mGPU works for one IHV and not the other.

Again, my point isn't that NVIDIA's SLI implementation sucks when it works, my point is that many top games don't support EITHER SLI or XFire. For example, my favorite game of this year, Doom.

 

[AtenRa]

A gtx1070 for $369 no rebates

The GTX 1070 at $365 IS WITH a $30 AR.

And sale ends in 14 hours as of right now

 

[happy medium]

The GTX 1070 at $365 IS WITH a $30 AR.

no rebate...$369
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500409&cm_re=gtx1070-_-14-500-409-_-Product

There is also a Gigabyte card for $379 No rebate and free game

and!! a small ZOtac mini for $379 for those with smaller cases. Try fitting a pair of crossfire 480's in a smaller case.

 

[AtenRa]

The games that support XFire support SLI and vice versa. I can't think of a single game in which mGPU works for one IHV and not the other.

I was talking about the luck in Card SLI support like in GTX 1060 and 1050.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I was talking about the luck in Card SLI support like in GTX 1060 and 1050.

Oh you mean the low end cards that nobody should ever use in mGPU configurations because higher-end single GPU solutions exist for the same money that allow people to bypass the very real issues with multi-GPUs?

The only reason to go mGPU is if you have the best, fastest single GPU that exists and need dramatically more performance than what you have.

 

[dogen1]

This is completely off topic, but I just want to say this.

I think the important point being made is that Crossfire/SLI is a gamble. There's no guarantee that 50% of your investment is going to be worth it for the games you want to play in the future. Additionally, that 50% won't be usable in most non AAA games. Sure, they might not need the horsepower, but if you had a 1070 you'd probably be running them at 4k DSR or maybe with driver forced SGSSAA, HBAO+, idk. A 1070 is always a 1070. 2x 480s(or any multi gpu setup) is only 2 of them in AAA games, and definitely not all of them.

On topic though. Benches for this game don't look too bad. I didn't expect that big of a gap between the fury cards and the 980 ti (is that normal?), but it seems like this might be pretty geometry heavy considering the 480s performance.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

SLI/Xfire has been on life support for a while now. AMD's landscape is such that the only option for really 'high end performance' with modern arch is to xfire it. For anyone with NV, or not tied to one arch (via preference or freesync/gsync), it makes 0 sense to SLI. You get better avg perf/$ by just buying the next card up.

 

[happy medium]

And sale ends in 14 hours as of right now [/QUOTE]

The GTX 1070 at $365 IS WITH a $30 AR.

And sale ends in 14 hours as of right now

No rebate for $369 free game.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500409&cm_re=gtx1070-_-14-500-409-_-Product

 

[happy medium]

This is completely off topic

I agree and apologize...Atenra if you want to debate crossfire vs a gtx1070, make a thread and I'll jump in.

 

[Headfoot]

Seems everyone loves to bash the 3gb card and expect it to perform up to the 6gb card despite the fact that it is cheaper and has less cuda cores as well. No one is arguing that the 6gb card isn't better, but in a price/performance analysis, which seems the gold standard for every other card, the 3gb card holds its own, even in this game.

Today.

That's the argument. It's not about today. It's about the useful lifespan of the card. Does the 3GB reduce the usable lifespan of the card versus similar offerings with more VRAM. Higher resolution predicts future VRAM requirements. So given that it tanks in 1440p that means in all likelihood future Ubi open world games will be similar in VRAM use at 1080p as this is today at 1440p. VRAM use only goes up over time.

 

[happy medium]

On topic though. Benches for this game don't look too bad. I didn't expect that big of a gap between the fury cards and the 980 ti (is that normal?), but it seems like this might be pretty geometry heavy considering the 480s performance.

Honestly , I think both Nvidia and AMD need a little work on their drivers for this game.
Overall performance is a little slow across the board and some cards are not traditionally where they should be.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Today.

That's the argument. It's not about today. It's about the useful lifespan of the card. Does the 3GB reduce the usable lifespan of the card versus similar offerings with more VRAM. Higher resolution predicts future VRAM requirements. So given that it tanks in 1440p that means in all likelihood future Ubi open world games will be similar in VRAM use at 1080p as this is today at 1440p. VRAM use only goes up over time.

Exactly, and you're talking about a 50 dollar difference. Seriously, wait 6 months on 2 games and buy them at half-price and you've just covered the cost. I spend 3 times that much every time I go to the damn grocery store at this point. That's how much I paid the dude to mow my lawn when I lived in South Carolina. Keep the price differences in perspective.

 

[AtenRa]

Nice without rebate but also a 2 day sale as with the RX 480.

Oh you mean the low end cards that nobody should ever use in mGPU configurations
because higher-end single GPU solutions exist for the same money that allow people to bypass the very real issues with multi-GPUs?

The only reason to go mGPU is if you have the best, fastest single GPU that exists and need dramatically more performance than what you have.

GTX 1060 6GB is equal to GTX 980 that has SLI Support. Actually GTX 980/GTX 1060 SLI could be close or faster than GTX 1080 and that is something NVIDIA hates because it would cannibalize the $600-700 high margin GTX 1080 sales.

You guys dont like SLI/CF because NVIDIA doesnt like SLI for their own reasons. NVIDIA SLI support and scaling is luckluster the last 2-3 years because they want to sell overpriced smaller dies. That doesnt put CrossFire in the same boat, CrossFire has full AMD support for the last 3-4 years and will continue to have in new Games, especially in DX-12 games that also allow multi vendor mGPU support.

That sure is one more thing that NVIDIA will hate more

 

[Bacon1]

Honestly , I think both Nvidia and AMD need a little work on their drivers for this game.
Overall performance is a little slow across the board and some cards are not traditionally where they should be.

The developers should optimize the game, not AMD / Nvidia.

 

[happy medium]

The developers should optimize the game, not AMD / Nvidia.

I agree, but with all these AMD consolized games, the developers need to optimize for AMD cards, Xbox, Playstation and Nvidia.

The only thing that separates most of these games from the consoles is believe it or not, Nvidia game works.

NO more great PC titles, optimized for PC, thanks AMD.



Stop with the inflammatory posts.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[dogen1]

The developers should optimize the game, not AMD / Nvidia.

Both need to.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I agree and apologize...Atenra if you want to debate crossfire vs a gtx1070, make a thread and I'll jump in.

Nice without rebate but also a 2 day sale as with the RX 480.



GTX 1060 6GB is equal to GTX 980 that has SLI Support. Actually GTX 980/GTX 1060 SLI could be close or faster than GTX 1080 and that is something NVIDIA hates because it would cannibalize the $600-700 high margin GTX 1080 sales.

You guys dont like SLI/CF because NVIDIA doesnt like SLI for their own reasons. NVIDIA SLI support and scaling is luckluster the last 2-3 years because they want to sell overpriced smaller dies. That doesnt put CrossFire in the same boat, CrossFire has full AMD support for the last 3-4 years and will continue to have in new Games, especially in DX-12 games that also allow multi vendor mGPU support.

That sure is one more thing that NVIDIA will hate more

Exactly, and you're talking about a 50 dollar difference. Seriously, wait 6 months on 2 games and buy them at half-price and you've just covered the cost. I spend 3 times that much every time I go to the damn grocery store at this point. That's how much I paid the dude to mow my lawn when I lived in South Carolina. Keep the price differences in perspective.

Well, then keep the performance difference in perspective as well. In a lot of games, the 3gb card is within 10 to 15 %, while the price difference is actually more than that. And even in WD 2 the performance difference is proportional to the price.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Well, then keep the performance difference in perspective as well. In a lot of games, the 3gb card is within 10 to 15 %, while the price difference is actually more than that. And even in WD 2 the performance difference is proportional to the price.

Which is all fine and dandy, but you're looking at too limited a subset of games, unreliable performance (or performance numbers that don't take into account the inherent jankiness of CLI/xfire), and futureproofing (to the extent that such can be said about cards like the 1060). In my opinion as a long time gamer and system builder it's just not worth the headache to either a) xfire/sli, or b) skimp on $50 worth of component.

 

[dogen1]

You guys dont like SLI/CF because NVIDIA doesnt like SLI for their own reasons.

What? I don't like CF/SLI because of the drawbacks. Inconsistent compatibility and higher latency. I don't care what nvidia thinks. And I don't know if the higher up people hate SLI, but I'm sure the engineers do.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That doesnt put CrossFire in the same boat, CrossFire has full AMD support for the last 3-4 years and will continue to have in new Games, especially in DX-12 games that also allow multi vendor mGPU support.

OK so first off, could you show an example of CrossFire working in a modern title but SLI not working in that same title? Again, the point I was making was that there are a lot of games that simply can't use AFR. Period. You have twisted the original point.

If the GTX 1060 is overpriced, then what does that make the RX 480, which offers roughly the same perf/$ ratio?

No, NVIDIA would love to be able to sell people on more GPUs, that's just straight up more money into their pockets. The reality is that games are increasingly using rendering techniques that make AFR very difficult.

It's a good thing that people won't be "tempted" to buy dual GTX 1050 Tis or GTX 1060s, when they could get a much better gaming experience (and in the case of SLI'd 1060s, for less money) on average by going with a GTX 1070.

 

[Bacon1]

Both need to.

No, driver updates are literally hacks to fix issues caused by the developers making calls incorrectly or not optimally.

We shouldn't need driver updates per game release.

 

[ShintaiDK]

No, driver updates are literally hacks to fix issues caused by the developers making calls incorrectly or not optimally.

We shouldn't need driver updates per game release.

Instead we need game updates per every single GPU uarch and even down to SKU level? Sounds superb.

How did it go so far? Oh right, awful.

And boy GCN pre Polaris looks bad with features upped on the PCGH review. Fiji went down fast!

 

[Bacon1]

Guru3d has their review up:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/watch_dog_2_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html

Dat CPU Scaling... 8370 = 5960x lol

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Probably the saddest perf chart in the history of benchmarking.

Good multithreading though, I'll give them that.

 

[Sweepr]

Except GameGPU shows a 220W FX-9590 barely matching a 3-year old 84W i7-4770K at stock, but I guess throwing an expensive Intel chip + GPU bound scenario (light scenes) and/or scripted benchmark makes the comparison more interesting to... some.

Ps: 1060 6GB - 13.3% faster than 480 8GB / 1070 - 11% ahead of 980 Ti at 1080P @ Guru3D.