Watched a few religious channels and now I think I understand

[Crono]

Originally posted by: swiftfeet76

Originally posted by: uhohs
90%+ of the stuff on "Christian" tv is heretical/a false gospel/a bunch of false teachers in it for the money or power.
If people that claim to be Christians took the effort and time to correctly read and study the Bible, it would be plain as day to them that most of what's taught today is incorrect and un-Biblical.

90%+ of the stuff in the bible is un-biblical. Ask most Cristian or Catholics if they've read the bible and the answer will be, "Parts of it.", which means no.

That's true. If you don't believe the Bible, though, then don't believe. You can't pick and choose, because then you are essentially forming your own religion, not what God says through His word. The Bible is to be taken literally, though it does use imagery and symbols/metaphors like any literary work (and it's clear when it does; for instance, the Genesis account is literal.

 

[swiftfeet76]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: swiftfeet76

Still a long way to go until the religion mind virus is extinct, but fact based knowledge and intelligence are pretty hard to contain in our globally connected world. Religion on the other hand, continues to come under more and more fire as it loses it's high level of opaqueness.

I'll quote a very dear friend, "As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things."

I want to be clear that I am not saying religion is bad, but that people like I listed are causing more harm than good. Religion without the perversions of the people like above can be a good thing. Its these charlatans who use religion to get what they want personally that I wish God himself would strike down. The problem is people turn to religion when they are the most vulnerable. I know many people who are very religious but nothing like these idiots on tv.

Religion is inherently perverted as it is a device of man. It is a control mechanism and as such can never reach a point that you would call "un-perverted". That would be atheism.

 

[jpeyton]

There is no such thing as a reasonable discussion about religion, because religion itself is unreasonable by design.

It's hilarious how Christians stop believing in Santa Claus when they're children, but still believe in other imaginary beings throughout their entire life. If they can believe in a God that created the universe and everything in it, then it shouldn't be too hard to believe in a guy who can fly a reindeer driven sled and slide down your chimney. Yet you can talk to 100 Christians, and 99 of the will tell you they don't believe in Santa Claus but they do believe in God, regardless of the fact they have no reasonable argument that either one exists.

 

[vi edit]

I don't really think that a show slotted between the slap chop guy and any product sold by Billy Mays is really the best way to judge one of the most fundamental constructs of humanity.

But if you want to draw conclusions based on that, more power to you.

 

[Mr Smiley]

Do you think those "performance enhancing" pills are turning people away from science? TV has a lot of BS on it.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I understand now why people are going away from religion. The idiots that are on tv promoting it , are just that, idiots. I wouldn't follow their advice if I was blind in a room with pits filled with razor blades.

no they are not idiots. They are just giving a specific demographic exactly what it wants.

They are possibly the shrewdest business people in the country.

 

[Ronstang]

These "Religious TV show" have been doing these exact things ever since they have been airing. I remember them doing this 30 years ago. We used to get drunk and watch some of them because they were so damned funny. "Kill a pissant for Jesus"....google it, Dr. Gene Scott was hilarious. This is nothing new, and the kind of people that fall for this "type" of religious worship is a small minority. I am not even religious but I think your analysis is flawed.

 

[Jeff7]

Religion and scam artists working together? Not on my watch!
I'd say something about both preying on gullible people, but it appears I already have.

Originally posted by: sandorski
Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma

A "love offering" eh? In return, does the Nad Pouch give lovin' to your nads?

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I understand now why people are going away from religion. The idiots that are on tv promoting it , are just that, idiots. I wouldn't follow their advice if I was blind in a room with pits filled with razor blades.

no they are not idiots. They are just giving a specific demographic exactly what it wants.

They are possibly the shrewdest business people in the country.

I prefer to call it a "free market tax on stupidity."
Stupidity isn't always painful, but it sure can be expensive.

 

[jpeyton]

You know you guys want to watch.







A train wreck.

 

[swiftfeet76]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
There is no such thing as a reasonable discussion about religion, because religion itself is unreasonable by design.

It's hilarious how Christians stop believing in Santa Claus when they're children, but still believe in other imaginary beings throughout their entire life. If they can believe in a God that created the universe and everything in it, then it shouldn't be too hard to believe in a guy who can fly a reindeer driven sled and slide down your chimney. Yet you can talk to 100 Christians, and 99 of the will tell you they don't believe in Santa Claus but they do believe in God, regardless of the fact they have no reasonable argument that either one exists.

Originally posted by: Ronstang
These "Religious TV show" have been doing these exact things ever since they have been airing. I remember them doing this 30 years ago. We used to get drunk and watch some of them because they were so damned funny. "Kill a pissant for Jesus"....google it, Dr. Gene Scott was hilarious. This is nothing new, and the kind of people that fall for this "type" of religious worship is a small minority. I am not even religious but I think your analysis is flawed.

You both seem to be reasonable individuals. One for each of you.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: CKent
Where the hell do you live that there are that many religious channels on TV? I only have 1, and 90% of the time they've got some show on with grown men wearing togas and chatting about the issues in today's world totally normally, as if they've forgotten they're wearing togas... togas... :laugh:

Directv , starts at channel 364 - 374

 

[RESmonkey]

I despise religion and it's lies.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Mr Smiley
Do you think those "performance enhancing" pills are turning people away from science? TV has a lot of BS on it.

No, they keep people from seeking medical help that could actually do something for them.

 

[natto fire]

Isn't any worse than the lottery or casinos, IMO. False hope is false hope no matter how you package it. Being spiritual does not necessarily have to fall in line with televangelists. I am not religious myself, but have softened this past year as far as spirituality and the like. Cold hard ration, and random events in science have left me a bit unfulfilled, and mushrooms just helped forge the idea that there might be more in me...

 

[biggestmuff]

People are turning away from religion? You point out three scammers out of hundreds of millions of Christians and that's your proof? FAIL.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: vi edit
I don't really think that a show slotted between the slap chop guy and any product sold by Billy Mays is really the best way to judge one of the most fundamental constructs of humanity.

But if you want to draw conclusions based on that, more power to you.

These are not 30 minute late night programs. They are prime time and all day on dedicated channels.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
People are turning away from religion? You point out three scammers out of hundreds of millions of Christians and that's your proof? FAIL.

Show me where church attendance is up and young people are joining more churches. You can't because they are not.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Isn't any worse than the lottery or casinos, IMO. False hope is false hope no matter how you package it.

Gambling is a form of entertainment. It's exciting to risk something on the chance you can win something. However, if you know anyone who gambles because they have "hope" it will be their salvation, eliminate their debt, etc., stage an intervention.

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't play the lottery for entertainment. A lot of those people also tend to be less educated, poorer, and have no idea about statistics or mathematical probability. The lottery is essentially a tax on the poor, with lottery funds often spent on programs that benefit the middle class.

Being spiritual does not necessarily have to fall in line with televangelists. I am not religious myself, but have softened this past year as far as spirituality and the like. Cold hard ration, and random events in science have left me a bit unfulfilled, and mushrooms just helped forge the idea that there might be more in me...

Spirituality, religion, etc., are all different ways of saying the same exact thing. There is no more truth to Buddhism that there is to Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc.

The human mind is more powerful than we can currently understand. That's great that mushrooms have fueled your imagination, but I wouldn't confuse it with faith or spirituality.

 

[shadow9d9]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7041036&page=1

Less crazy is always good.

 

[natto fire]

I have picked up a hitchhiker that wanted me to take him to the casino so he could win his rent money, I shit you not. It is that any different than following a set of rules to live in eternal bliss? Maybe slightly, but I still fall back on the false hope thing.

Yes, the human mind is quite powerful, hence my belief that science cannot, and will not explain everything in my lifetime, fiercely expanding though it may be.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: sandorski
Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma

I laughed.

I'm writing the check right now. But now I see there's no zip code and I can't put it in the mailbox without one...

That's tax deductible, right?

And, blessed sandorski, who should I vote for in the next election?

 

[MovingTarget]

This thread fails. Getting your theology from an infomercial is like trying to run a business with a 2nd grade math education or getting married with a 2nd grader's understanding of sex. Total. Fvcking. Fail.
IMHO, people are turning away from religion for a number of reasons, most prominent amongst them being that everybody simply rushes through life without trying to find meaning. Many people don't even understand what religion entails, what it teaches, what arguments dictate doctrine, or even the history of the development of their particular faith. To be honest, if I had not actively studied Christian theology in college, I would either have some very whacked-out views or simply abandoned faith altogether. However, most simply do not have the time/resources to try and dig deeper into their own faith, asking the critical questions about it that they feel need to be asked. This situation can be very dangerous depending on the person...

 

[Duddy]

No religion for me thanks. Was raised in a strong Catholic family.

It only took me a semester in High School science class and studying astronomy to realize it was bunk.

I believe in being a good person and to treat others as you would treat yourself, that's all that matters

 

[Nik]

If you think that religious television is anywhere close to mainstream, you're off your rocker.

That being said, if you believe religion at all anyway you're also off your rocker.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Duddy
No religion for me thanks. Was raised in a strong Catholic family.

It only took me a semester in High School science class and studying astronomy to realize it was bunk.

I believe in being a good person and to treat others as you would treat yourself, that's all that matters

Out of curiosity, was there a conflict that you saw between science/astronomy and faith?