Water cooled RAM

[CrispyFried]

I have a temp sensor taped to my ram heatspreader and running memtest will give about a 25 F rise. A side 80mm fan hits it but not directly. 2.8 volts at 220 Mhz. case has 5 other fans so airflow is good.

Never seen it over 135 F even in memtest. Usually runs at 105F.

just figured Id toss that info out as I havent seen anyone post actual temps.

maybe Ill turn the fans off and see what temps I get or if any memtest errors pop up at high temps as no ones really done that here that I know of.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
YOU DONT HAVE TO.

Screaming doesn't add weight to your argument. What someone needs or wants to do shouldn't be the point when offering advice, which is what we're doing here. Did you read the AT review for tbooth's RAM that he was kind enough to supply?

Why simply because i posted here.

Not all all. For the most part C&C is a calm place to post. It would be sad to see it turned into Video where hyperbolic statements and mob behavior are the norm.

As i said before, HS's are understandable for >~3.3V operation. However, there is absolutely no need for actuve ram cooling. Perhaps at 4V it may become hot, but still not hot enough to warrant a seperate fan to cool memory.

Again, what someone NEEDS is between them and their wallet.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
YOU DONT HAVE TO.

Screaming doesn't add weight to your argument. What someone needs or wants to do shouldn't be the point when offering advice, which is what we're doing here. Did you read the AT review for tbooth's RAM that he was kind enough to supply?

Why simply because i posted here.

Not all all. For the most part C&C is a calm place to post. It would be sad to see it turned into Video where hyperbolic statements and mob behavior are the norm.

As i said before, HS's are understandable for >~3.3V operation. However, there is absolutely no need for actuve ram cooling. Perhaps at 4V it may become hot, but still not hot enough to warrant a seperate fan to cool memory.

Again, what someone NEEDS is between them and their wallet.

Well finally we are almost on the same level. I never questioned why. I merely advised against what he wants to do. If he wants it fine, it will definitely be neat, but the risks are much greater than when watercooling a processor or a video card.

I think maybe we weren't really understanding each other at the beginning

-Kevin

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well finally we are almost on the same level. I never questioned why. I merely advised against what he wants to do. If he wants it fine, it will definitely be neat, but the risks are much greater than when watercooling a processor or a video card.

Riskier is what way?

I think maybe we weren't really understanding each other at the beginning

I don't see it.

 

[rise]

gamingfreak- you obviously have no idea what you are talking about so maybe you should just be quiet or do some research.

 

[TheoPetro]

risky??? are you kidding. it would be increadibly easy to make a h2o cooling block for your ram (unless you have it in DC on a neo2 plat and the dimms are right next to eachother). it would be alot easier than making a cpu block (unless you can drop the 100000 for a cnc machine). anyway i say go for it. lemme know if ya need any help w/ the design or how to make it. (knowing how to solder and having access to a drillpress/ bandsaw and tapping bits will help)

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: rise4310
gamingfreak- you obviously have no idea what you are talking about so maybe you should just be quiet or do some research.

Ok, how about some examples. If you can read my name you can spell it -_-

it would be increadibly easy to make a h2o cooling block for your ram

You are crazy. Making, from scratch, a water block for RAM sticks!? Your kidding yourself if you think that is easy.

Riskier is what way?

Because not only are YOU designing the block, but you are water cooling something that has almost never been done before. How do you plan on making a water block for this. Then have some way to get water to both sides, after all it is dual channel. And that isn't barring the fact that most people have 2x sticks of RAM.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Gamingfreak

Ok, how about some examples. If you can read my name you can spell it -_-

are you serious? i guess Anand's own conclusions aren't enough for you? why not PM the ocz boys in the cpu forum and ask them?

lol @ the name

 

[Nirach]

Okay, a couple of you are arguing that there is no need for W/C cooling on RAM.

This is fairly true, if you're not O/Cing it, you're fine with the stock cooling sinks that comes with most fair quality ram.

I'm doing this purely for a challenging task, and yes, it is goinging be such a task.

To address the bit about most being having 2 or more sticks of dual channel RAM. I want to design it so that it DOESN'T interrupt the installation of RAM, so you may hax out your mobo's RAM slots.

My present line of thinking is that, there is more tahn enough space between each stick of RAM (If it can accomodate the clips AND heat sinks supplied) for a copper/allluminium drop in, part of a five dropdown. There wouldn't be a water channel between each stick of RAM, that's a plain daft idea with the space avaliable to play with. I have some ideas, but I need to find my orthographic paper to start laying down some decent scale drawings. Essentially, the water would run across the top of all four sticks, across a copper top, which would have some sort of protrusions for more water/copper contact surface, two inputs and two outputs, assuming there is space to do so. From above it'd look like an oversized CPU block, but with RAM in it. My only problem is securing it to the RAM, I don't want to have to resort to E-poxy, I'd rather devise some sort of clip system, but I'd need to do more studies of motherboards to see how much RAM slots have changed over the past year or two of releases, so I could predict how it might change in the future, and how useful it would be in future motherboard upgrades.

Theopetro, any help would be greatly appreciated! I can't scan anything I have as of yet, because I am STILL waiting on my motherboard to get my windows machine up and running again, but any help you can offer would be excellent and much appreciated.

 

[Gamingphreek]

This is fairly true, if you're not O/Cing it, you're fine with the stock cooling sinks that comes with most fair quality ram.

It is fine for all RAM. Show me memory that when overclocked to the max needs water cooling. CPU's dont even need water cooling. As for active cooling, as long as you have some airflow over your ram sticks (ie a case intake and exhaust) you will be absolutely fine. IIRC Kingmax doesn't even use heatspreaders on some of its chips. If you want to do WC fine, im interested to see how it goes. I am just saying it isn't at all practical...and you seem to be aware of that and are simply doing for the fun factor (absolutely nothing wrong with that; same reason i am going to set up SCSI).

o address the bit about most being having 2 or more sticks of dual channel RAM.

I wasn't referrring to that. I was referring to double sided memory. You have memory on both sides of the stick. In which case you would need something to cool both sides. (An intake and exhaust for the water) on each side. Unless you have devised some way to have everything interconnected. Not only that i assume you have more than one stick of RAM, in which case you would have to duplicate this.

-Kevin

 

[TheoPetro]

ive got some stuff drawn up but i duno how to post pics. ive got a hugeass chem test to study for right now but when i get done ill try to findout how to put em up. itll be later tonight probaly

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Because not only are YOU designing the block, but you are water cooling something that has almost never been done before. How do you plan on making a water block for this. Then have some way to get water to both sides, after all it is dual channel. And that isn't barring the fact that most people have 2x sticks of RAM.

And you don't see yet why this discussion is a lot like those that appear in Video? You aren't trying to offer any assistance to the OP, you're arguing against something he may or may not want to do. Where's the plus in this approach for yourself OR the OP?

All in all, I don't think you understand much about water-cooling. People design blocks of all types all the time, and take great pride in the results. That SHOULD be fine with you GP, because it isn't your time or money.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Because not only are YOU designing the block, but you are water cooling something that has almost never been done before. How do you plan on making a water block for this. Then have some way to get water to both sides, after all it is dual channel. And that isn't barring the fact that most people have 2x sticks of RAM.

And you don't see yet why this discussion is a lot like those that appear in Video? You aren't trying to offer any assistance to the OP, you're arguing against something he may or may not want to do. Where's the plus in this approach for yourself OR the OP?

All in all, I don't think you understand much about water-cooling. People design blocks of all types all the time, and take great pride in the results. That SHOULD be fine with you GP, because it isn't your time or money.

Why are you putting words in my mouth. I merely said that it is very risky and unneeded. But he said he realizes this, and wants to do it for fun. I said "cool :thumbsup: " which is when you started arguing with me about whether or not it is needed.

-Kevin

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
It is fine for all RAM. Show me memory that when overclocked to the max needs water cooling. CPU's dont even need water cooling. As for active cooling, as long as you have some airflow over your ram sticks (ie a case intake and exhaust) you will be absolutely fine.

holy crap kid, just let it die. active cooling is recommended if not required for alot of overclocking situations. again, rather than argue, just PM ocz and ask them instead of turning this thread into a video forum clone.

as the mods said, "common sense", ask yourself if you're adding anything at all to this thread?

if OP wants to see how water cooling will do for his active cooling, then thats up to him. i'd be interested to see a solution really although i think it'll definitely be linited to two dimms and not all 4.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Because not only are YOU designing the block, but you are water cooling something that has almost never been done before. How do you plan on making a water block for this. Then have some way to get water to both sides, after all it is dual channel. And that isn't barring the fact that most people have 2x sticks of RAM.

And you don't see yet why this discussion is a lot like those that appear in Video? You aren't trying to offer any assistance to the OP, you're arguing against something he may or may not want to do. Where's the plus in this approach for yourself OR the OP?

All in all, I don't think you understand much about water-cooling. People design blocks of all types all the time, and take great pride in the results. That SHOULD be fine with you GP, because it isn't your time or money.

Why are you putting words in my mouth. I merely said that it is very risky and unneeded. But he said he realizes this, and wants to do it for fun. I said "cool :thumbsup: " which is when you started arguing with me about whether or not it is needed.

-Kevin

I'm not putting words in your mouth and you know it. It isn't "risky" and whether RAM water-cooling is "unneeded" isn't for you to decide. You've even ignored a review that plainly says that heroic cooling IS warranted in some cases. Again, you're arguing as if you know water-cooling and it's painfully obviously that you don't. Give the OP, and the rest of us, a break. Let us jaw bone without you trying to slap things down from on high.

 

[Nirach]

GP: Aye, I see where you're coming from with that, but the idea of the things that sit between each stick is that they fit snuggly between each stick, without putting force on the socket and the stick itself, so it cools both sides. There would, of course, need to be aditional slimmer sections on the outside to cover the 'external' side of the two side sticks.

Theopetro: No rush, studies are more important that crazy modders

 

[drdrewr]

Here you go!!! From Koolance.

http://www.frozencpu.com/koo-52.html

 

[HardWarrior]

Nice.. Too bad it's for the tiny-tube crowd only. :Q

 

[drdrewr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Nice.. Too bad it's for the tiny-tube crowd only. :Q

I know what ya mean. My setup is Innovatek. I'm waiting for them to come out with their version of a RAM water cooler. Innovatek uses 3/8" which already doesn't quite sit right with me (I don't know why, it should be good enough). This right here, however, is just too much for me to compromise on. I'll wait it out.

 

[drdrewr]

Originally posted by: tbooth
Running RAM at higher voltages most definitely requires active cooling. In fact the Mushkin Redline XP4000 that I have states that "Active Coolling is Required" to run at the rated speed/voltage.

Aqua Computer makes a RAM waterblock called the Ramplex.

Damn!!! That looks very very nice!!!

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: drdrewr

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Nice.. Too bad it's for the tiny-tube crowd only. :Q

I know what ya mean. My setup is Innovatek. I'm waiting for them to come out with their version of a RAM water cooler. Innovatek uses 3/8" which already doesn't quite sit right with me (I don't know why, it should be good enough). This right here, however, is just too much for me to compromise on. I'll wait it out.

Lots of people seem just fine with smaller than 1/2, Europe and Germany for instance. I might have to give the little stuff a try just to get a chance to play with those over-designed, hyper-expensive blocks and such. Yeah, and you're right about 3/8 being fine but not feeling quite right about it anyway.

 

[drdrewr]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: drdrewr

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Nice.. Too bad it's for the tiny-tube crowd only. :Q

I know what ya mean. My setup is Innovatek. I'm waiting for them to come out with their version of a RAM water cooler. Innovatek uses 3/8" which already doesn't quite sit right with me (I don't know why, it should be good enough). This right here, however, is just too much for me to compromise on. I'll wait it out.

Lots of people seem just fine with smaller than 1/2, Europe and Germany for instance. I might have to give the little stuff a try just to get a chance to play with those over-designed, hyper-expensive blocks and such. Yeah, and you're right about 3/8 being fine but not feeling quite right about it anyway.

I can tell we're on the same page. I want my RAM watercooled big-time. I can't vouch for the experience of others, but, my RAM get very hot (as in - burn your fingers hot). I'm running a watercooled DFI LanParty NF4 SLI rig. Water cooling setup is Innovatek with the following components:

12v Eheim pump (attached resovoir is Tank-O-Matic Long)
XX-Flow water block (cooling an X2 4400+)
two Cool-Matic G70 (nvidia 7800) Water coolers
Radiator is Konvect-O-Matic Maxi (Konvect-O-Matic Ultra is arriving this Thursday and will be hooked up in-line)
case is the beautiful Lian-Li V2100B (with window kit)

Unfortunately, since motherboard is DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI, opportunities to watercool the chipset are extremely limited and not very accessible. The chipset gets "scorching hot" (over 90% C!!!) according to the Nvidia Monitor and several others. More bad news is that the 7K+ rpm chipset fan has stopped working (after less than three months). When DFI releases the "expert" board (scheduled for next week, I believe), I'll be able to cool the chipset also. The only thing left to do after that (that I really want to do) is the RAM.

I've got another passively cooled water setup on my server. That one is a Zalman "Resarator 1 Plus". It's all cool as can be, however, the Innovatek setup (even though more expensive) is my favorite. They just have so many more options and components than many others, however, they are also (in my buying experience) much more expensive. Although I don't have any regrets that I went down the Innovatek route, this hobby / desire of mine for extreme watercooling is going to drive me to bankruptcy!!!

 

[Nirach]

Yeah, I just saw the Koolance stuff the other day!

I laughed my socks off, exactly what I was looking for, Koolance appear to be reading my mind

When I move into a bigger case, I'm going to set up an internal water cooling set for the CPU, and use the external for graphics/harddrive/Northbridge/RAM.

On that note, any recomentations for pumps?

I was thinking a hydor, they look fairly okay. Although, I can't remember if it was the hydor or not, but there's one that's really small, square, can't remember the rest though..

 

[tbooth]

Unfortunately, since motherboard is DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI, opportunities to watercool the chipset are extremely limited and not very accessible. The chipset gets "scorching hot" (over 90% C!!!) according to the Nvidia Monitor and several others. More bad news is that the 7K+ rpm chipset fan has stopped working (after less than three months). When DFI releases the "expert" board (scheduled for next week, I believe), I'll be able to cool the chipset also. The only thing left to do after that (that I really want to do) is the RAM.

Check out the Twinplex Pro SLI-Typ 1. It's a low profile chipset waterblock that fits on current DFI boards. Could save you some cash if you don't want to spring for a new MB.

 

[meelk]

I'm going to watercool water. Who's with me?