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[Aristotelian]

Servus! I was hoping to see that you guys had a stand at Computex but didn't see one. Let me give some details why:

I was considering this for a long time: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-sbay-dual-ddc-3-2-pwm-serial-incl-2x-pump

But the way things are working out in my Thermaltake Core X9 I cannot fit 3x480mm radiators plus fans while using more than 1 of the 5.25" bays, and that one bay needs my fan controller.

So I'm looking to mod the case to remove the front intake 200mm fan or to replace it with an amazing Noctua one (I saw a prototype 200mm of their new fan series at Computex). But:

I am looking for a really high quality reservoir + two pumps (in series), and I read what you are planning to design there. I would really like to support your company, actually ('schland!!!) and what can you offer as a really high quality reservoir that would support two pumps - would you be willing to make a nice reservoir with two pumps? How customizable are you guys as a company? Am happy to call you on the phone and work this out but I thought posting here would help others looking for high quality stuff to ask you questions.

 

[guskline]

Aristotelian here are some pictures of what I did to get 3 XSPC RX 480 fans in my X9. I took out the HDD brackets on the left side and mounted from rear to front my 1200W PC Power & Cooling PSU, my WD Black 2 TB hdd with my 2 850EVO 500g ssds behind the WD using a Chieftec 2.5" mounting bracket and finally my XSPC Twin D5 bay/Res. It supplies the first 480 on the right which then flows into the top left 480 then to the top left 480 then to the cpu, then gpu and back to the bay/res.


i have removed the pictures to keep this jakob's thread with vendor products.

CnC Moderator Aigo

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

I am looking for a really high quality reservoir + two pumps (in series), and I read what you are planning to design there. I would really like to support your company, actually ('schland!!!) and what can you offer as a really high quality reservoir that would support two pumps - would you be willing to make a nice reservoir with two pumps? How customizable are you guys as a company? Am happy to call you on the phone and work this out but I thought posting here would help others looking for high quality stuff to ask you questions.

Well, we will definitely make a new series of dual pump tops. But: we don't like the idea of combined dual pumps with reservoirs. Those things always just look like a huge phallus, and since we like good design, this is not where we are going. So, yes, you can expect a dual pump cover from us in a few months, but not attached to a reservoir...

About dual pumps: Do you guys prefer serial or parallel, both for D5s and DDCs? And why?

 

[Aristotelian]

I get what you mean about the phallus (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xtop-revo-dual-d5-pwm-serial-incl-pump ) especially with the reservoir on top. I prefer D5s and in series from what I have learned because not many loops appear to be too restricted by flow rate with one D5; there appear to have been issues of DDCs overheating; and I think the D5s are quieter.

https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/pump-setup-series-vs-parallel/ seems to conclude that pumps in parallel provide little to no benefit, even in terms of redundancy. But in series I guess I can run two d5s at lower rates while maintaining sufficient flow rate, and if one pump fails I can simply increase the speed of the functioning one.

 

[aigomorla]

Guys just a PSA...

This is a watercool vendor thread, so lets leave pictures of personal rigs or personal discussions out of it unless it pertains to watercool products.

This will make jakob's life easier in actively answering questions / getting feedback.

-Aigo

 

[Mnpctech]

I like these res brackets, different. I would really like to see an spring loaded air bleed valve. Koolance has manual one. I'm often building liquid cooled customs PCs for manufacturer's booths at events. You can see some of my work here HERE

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hey friends,
I can give you the first infos and show you the first pics of the new HEATKILLER® IV for the GTX 1070 and 1080. We can waive the “XL” by now, the new water blocks are released only in this form factor that covers the whole PCB.

Of course, we have the typical HEATKILLER® IV trademarks on board. These include very low restriction and elaborate cooling structure. The central flow design ensures even further reduction of restriction.

Precut thermal pads and isolating standoffs provide an easy mounting. The stainless steel frame can be removed for maintenance. A massive piece of machined acetal ensures a homogenous and even transition between the water block and the graphics card. Another highlight hides beneath this piece…

It is now possible to install a preassembled LED-strip inside of the water block! These LED-Strips are compatible to the power supply of the graphics card. We even crimped the exact matching connector to it. Hence, it can be supplied directly by the graphics card, there are no more irritating cables.
The LED Strip can be controlled via the Nvidia Geforce Experience Tool. It can be dimmed, blink or pulsate. We offer the LED-strips as additional accessories in the colors white, red and blue.

We will release other versions of the water block. Soon, we will release a nickel plated version, along with versions with black frames. A water block with Acetal Top concludes the series. Matching eBC backplates will also be released in short time.

Of course, the new HEATKILLER® IV are compatible with the new Geforce SLI-HB bridge.

And here are the pics:

 

[MrTeal]

Nice blocks. I love that you guys have copper over the inductors so can toss a thermal pad across them, it should help keep VRM temps even lower.

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hey guys,
a small update with a couple of scetches and plans:

I recieved multiple questions about the LED illumination on the GTX 1080/1070 blocks. It is installed under the POM block on the edge of the waterblock like this:

And here are three pictures in action:

Picture by customer

Picture by customer

Nextup, we designed the alternative top for our HEATKILLER® TUBE reservoirs. It will come with two ports and look like this:

And finally, I wanted to tell you that we are currently working on a waterblock for the AMD RX 480, and will get to a waterblock for the GTX 1060 next up.

 

[aigomorla]

jakob what is watercool's stance with using silver?

Will it void all warrenty unless premix is used? or will it just void warrenty where plating becomes an issue?

Ive heard stories of like eK voiding warrenty on bad acrylic because silver was used, which to me is sort of stupid.

So i was wondering what watercool's stance was on the usage of silver as an antimicrobial.

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hey aigomorla,
we totally agree with EK here: we strongly advice against using silver in a mixed loop. It adds a lot of corrosion potential without granting any advantage that could not be achieved with less dangerous means. My personal advice is: use some sort of corrosion inhibitor (Innovatek protect, G30, pretty much all premixed fluids). It kills two birds with one stone: it prevents corrosion and is toxic enough to also function as a biocide.

The problem with silver isn't about acrylic, by the way. It's about every metal that is less noble than silver. The usually used less noble metals in PC cooling loops are copper, brass and nickel, and all three of them are (in climbing order!) the victim of galvanic corrosion when exposed to silver ions. We have seen a LOT of nickelplated blocks that were in HORRIBLE shape and definitely not safe to use anymore where a silver kill coil was the definite culprit.

 

[aigomorla]

I guess were back to using Copper 2 Sulfate and pure distilled, because i refuse to use premixes. Honestly a premix is stepping back in hobby that we have built up in Xtreme Systems, and vendors selling premix to me is a scam. Your basically selling distilled water with propylene glycol with packaging marked up more then 1000%.

At any rate thank you for the warrenty information.
I have also told Skinnee about this, and he is just shaking heads as his views on premix is about the same as mine.

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

We would also advise against using Copper2Sulfate very strongly. Cu2SO4 reacts very strongly with a lot of metals, especially nickel. I let the following picture speak for itself:

To be honest, I don't get the whole fuzz about bio infestation at all. I know that this had been a huge problem inthe early days of watercooling, but people were mostly using tap water and simple buckets as reservoirs. OF COURSE all kinds of algae could invade those loops, and it made sense to use biocides back then. But this is last decade, even more LAST CENTURY. Nowadays, the usual setup is a closed loop, and everxbody uses (or should use) distilled water. I don't know of a single case of bio infestation where the user followed three very simple rules:
- Use a closed loop
- Use distilled water
- Clean and flush every component of your loop prior to installation

Actually, pretty much all of us are already using a mild biocide in our loops, if we know it or not: copper ions. EVery loop suffers to small margins of corrosion: even copper and brass form a very small corrosive bond. And thus, small doses of copper ions are dissolved into the loop over time. These copper ions already function as a mild biocide, so you should be absolutely fine just by the copper in your radiators (for example), as long as you followed the three simple rules above.

So, to summarize: Bio infestation is not a problem at all if you work cleanly. If you are still worried about it, rest assured, the copper in your loop will do the trick. The risks of using silver or even Copper2Sulfate outweigh the minimal benefit by orders of the magnitude.



By the way, I completely agree with your view on premixes. And please be aware that WATERCOOL does not sell any premixes, this is just not our way. Me personally, I'm using distilled and Innovatek Protect concentrate. But G30 works just as well and is really dirt cheap.

 

[aigomorla]

dear lord i dont even know where to begin with that...
It looks like someone just litterally dump'd a lb bag of copper2sulfate into the solution.
I have never seen anything especially crack the derlin like that, and derlin is suposed to be very durable.

The problem with biocides mostly came from the usage of lights inside our pc's, especially in CCFL's.

Albet we dont use them that much anymore, but if someone is running a light bar 24/7 with clear tubing, your bound to get something growing funky inside your loop.


but again... i have no comment for that picture... thats probably definitely one to save and keep for extreme cases...

 

[Phanuel]

Or they beat an Alien to death with it, jeebus.

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Now, friends,
we recieved a lot of different questions about "will you support custom design XY for the GTX 1080/1070"? The answer is a definite "yes, but...". We definitely want to support some custom PCB layouts, but we are currently undecided which ones. And that's where I'm asking for your input: Which 1080/1070 custom PCB layout would you like to see supported by WATERCOOL? Please provide an argument for the custom design of your choosing.

 

[nutternatter34]

My argument for this is simple. I see a lot of people downsizing their computers, even watercoolers. My case is massive and full of copper, too heavy. I just had a Monsoon 90° fitting fail..... I'm downsizing and sort of upgrading now.

I'm going to suggest the Gigabyte GTX 1070 ITX Edition. It's the only little card design seen so far, has overclocking features and I believe it will be the card of choice for mATX and mITX builds, maybe people will use it in standard builds too

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Newsletter 08/2016

HEATKILLER® IV for GTX 1080 and 1070 available

All versions of the HEATKILLER® IV for GTX 1080 and 1070 are now available, including the matching backplate.

The new water block features a slick look, high quality materials, excelent performance and offers even more: for example, it is fully compatible to NVIDIAs new SLI-HB bridge. Furthermore, we found a great new solution for illumination. We now have LED strips available that can be connected directly to the LED port of the graphics card. Not only is this reducing cable routing issues, but it's also possible to control the illumination of the water block directly through NVIDIAs Geforce Experience software.

Both the water block and the backplate are compatible to all GTX 1080 Founders Edition and GTX 1070 Founders Edition cards.


Grab yours here!


Waterblocks for ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10 available

We now offer a waterblock for the voltage regualtion modules of the ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10. As with all new waterblocks of the HEATKILLER® MB-X series, the
HEATKILLER® MB-X VRM ASUS RAMPAGE V will be available with a top made from acrylic glass. Additionally, we now also offer dark acrylic glass.

Grab yours here!



MultiPort top for HEATKILLER® Tube series

Answering the great demand, we now offer a matching MultiPort top for our HEATKILLER® Tube series reservoirs. It is now possible to connect the reservoir to the loop via the top. A matching stand pipe is part of the delivery scope.

Grab yours here!


HEATKILLER® IV CPU series performs greatly in recent reviews
As in previous tests, our HEATKILLER® IV performed greatly in the latest two tests. We want to share those results with you.

The first test was from german hardware site computerbase.de . The testing staff was so enthusiastic about both the performance and the workmanship of the HEATKILLER® IV that they gave it their only buy recommendation.

read more at www.computerbase.de

The second test was done by reviewstudio.net . The HEATKILLER®IV reached top notes in this test, too, and recieved three awards.

read more at www.reviewstudio.net

What's next?


We are currently working on waterblocks for the Radeon RX 480 and for the new TITAN X.

Stay tuned!

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

1. New product branch announced
I don't know if you noticed, but I'm an eager fighter against silver kill coils. This led to a couple of discussions, both in this thread and in other support threads I run, about appropriate fluids, additives in the water, corrossion and how to keep your components healthy. We waived our older recommendation concerning additives earlier this year. So, we already were in the process of rethinking our position concerning coolants, distilled water and additives. But the way those discussions went in the last few weeks, we decided that in the future, WATERCOOL will offer our own brand of coolant! So, thank you all for your input and for your constructive criticism, it was heard and gave us the final push to start developing a completeley new branch of products. Obviously, I have not even a rough ETA, because we first need to define which abilities our coolant shall have, find chemists who can do the actual mixing for us, test and review the different prototypes and so on and so on, but I'll keep you updated!

2. GTX 1080 custom PCB layouts
We recieved a LOT of requests to support certain custom PCBs. We never did this before, but decided to give it a try with the GTX 1080/1070 generation. Obviously, we cannot support any and every custom PCB, so to find our first candidate, We would like to know your preferences. Please take part in this quick survey so we can cater for your actual needs. Your input is very much appreciated!

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hm... feels like I'm talking to myself...

Nevermind, our waterblocks for the TITAN X (Pascal) are listed and can be ordered right now! We added a 10% discount again for all preorders. The copper versions will be available on september 2nd and the nickel versions on September 16th. On those respective dates, the 10% discount will also be void, obviously...

 

[aigomorla]

lol nope jakob... i always read your post..

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hey guys, our current release schedule looks like this. Please note that the further in the future we go, the fuzzier the dates become

Titan X Pascal: Copper versions end of this week, Nickel versions ~16.9. - 19.9.

EVGA FTW: End of September, early October

ASUS Strix: After that But definitely before Christmas, probably even before December

And somewhere in between, we'll start a completely new branch of products... Beware, spoilers to come

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Product Announcement:

Today, we'd like to introduce our new HEATKILLER® IV for RX 480 water block series. There are several different versions available. For the top, you can choose between transparent acrylic glass, and an opaque top made from black POM. For the cooling plate, you can chooese between pure electrolyte copper, or copper with a durable glossy nickel plating.

But aesthetics left aside, the new water blocks also score with their performance. An elaborate micro cooling structure boosts the performance, while the central flow channel reduces restriction. Of course, the new water blocks also actively cool the RAM modules and the voltage regulation modules.

Mounting the new block is done with isolating spacers. Precut thermal pads for the RAM and VRM are part of the delivery scope.
The transparent top comes with multiple drill holes for 3mm LEDs to perfectly illuminate your new block.

The new HEATKILLER® IV for RX 480 is compatible to all Radeon RX 480 in reference PCB layout. When in doubt, please check our GPU compatibility list.

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hm. Honest question: I have some pics of our new Titan X Pascal water block. But it seems, you people aren't to fond of pictures. YOu want me to post them or not?

 

[WATERCOOL-Jakob]

Hey everyone,
I mentioned a few times that we are planning a major upgrade to our product portfolio. I am finally free to speak about it!
We are planning to start a complete new series of radiators, based on the very succesful and famous MO-RA3 design. We want to support the whole branch of "usual" radiator sizes, suitable for internal installation. But we want to hear your viewpoints and preferences first: we made a survey with 12 questions about fans and radiators. It would be super awesome if you'd participate in it, so we can put out the products that you guys REALLY want. As a reward, we raffle one HEATKILLER IV block through all participants of the survey!
And as always, if you want to add something we didn't ask in the survey, feel free to discuss it here with me, I'm always listening