Wayward Pines

[Charmonium]

I thought they both acknowledged that she was much older than she should be. She was surprised when he said she was only missing for 5 weeks (or months). Other people (Juliette Lewis's character) experienced the same kind of phenomoma. Its seems like they are definitely out of time, and the fence is for their protection. Just don't get why it would be against the rules to discuss their past or be honest about what the situation is.

If they are all experiencing different - let's call them 'timelines' for lack of a better phrase - then talking about the past would make everyone realize the discrepancy pretty quickly.

I'm not sure though if each person's subject experience is different though. Maybe it's not. I think Burke's (Dillon's) ex-partner said that she felt that it had been about 12 years that she'd been there when according to Burke it was only a matter of weeks. If Juliette Lewis' character also believed that she'd been there for 12 years and her age matched that, I don't see how they're ever going to explain that.

 

[Childs]

If they are all experiencing different - let's call them 'timelines' for lack of a better phrase - then talking about the past would make everyone realize the discrepancy pretty quickly.

I'm not sure though if each person's subject experience is different though. Maybe it's not. I think Burke's (Dillon's) ex-partner said that she felt that it had been about 12 years that she'd been there when according to Burke it was only a matter of weeks. If Juliette Lewis' character also believed that she'd been there for 12 years and her age matched that, I don't see how they're ever going to explain that.

Everyone seems to actually know their real past, they are just too afraid to mention it. They don't seem to think time is moving any differently once they got to Wayward Pines, its only when Matt Dillon said what year it was things didn't make sense.

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But it doesn't seem like time moies slowly for the town, as Matt Dillion wasn't appreciably older when he was in the town vs how long his family thought he was away. But then the real estate agent said he banged the nurse when she was young, and the next day when he woke up in the town he was the same age, but she was old.

The more I think about it the less it makes sense, so I'll just let it go.

 

[Charmonium]

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But it doesn't seem like time movies slowly for the town, as Matt Dillion wasn't appreciably older when he was in the town vs how long his family thought he was away. But then the real estate agent said he banged the nurse when she was young, and the next day when he woke up in the town he was the same age, but she was old.

The more I think about it the less it makes sense, so I'll just let it go.

So you think that was the same person? Interesting.

 

[13Gigatons]

The time crud better have some sort of explanation.

5 weeks = 12 years (Carla Gugino )
14 years = 1 year (Juliette Lewis)
young woman turning old (Pam the evil nurse)

 

[Charmonium]

The time crud better have some sort of explanation.

5 weeks = 12 years (Carla Gugino )
14 years = 1 year (Juliette Lewis)
young woman turning old (Pam the evil nurse)

Definitely. This is starting to smell a lot like LOST. You kept thinking 'I can't wait for them to explain this' and of course they never did because they couldn't. The obvious explanations are, well, obvious. Like memory manipulation for example.

In the last episode they seemed to make a point of telling us that the town was really focused on the children and the previews seemed to underscore that hint. Except that seems like bullshit because you don't really need an entire town to do human experiments.

I'll give the show a few more episodes just to see if they're going to give us some general notion of where this is going. But I'm canning the show if they just keep throwing out vague, tantalizing suggestions of what might be going on. I'm never going to invest a lot of time in show that just seems as if it's going someplace.

 

[13Gigatons]

OK so is this like the book?


They suddenly just changed the whole thing in one episode.

 

[Charmonium]

Is anyone buying this new story line? This feels like an epic mind-fuck.

Does anyone remember in the first couple episodes where one of the secret service guys was talking to Jensen/Pilchard on the street in the real world asking if they could get Burke back? And Jensen said it was too late. Also, the sheriff was the one that caused the "accident" that landed the wife and kid in WP.

If that's what's going on though, what's the point? Why only tell the kids "the truth." There are only a few instances where you tell a young child to keep quiet about something and most of them aren't good.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Does anyone remember in the first couple episodes where one of the secret service guys was talking to Jensen/Pilchard on the street in the real world asking if they could get Burke back? And Jensen said it was too late. Also, the sheriff was the one that caused the "accident" that landed the wife and kid in WP.

If the whole 2000 years twist is true, then those people could simply have been agents for Mr. Forehead, preparing for his ark. It was "too late" because Burke was already in cryo (or whatever). Then they would have been frozen themselves, to be thawed out first on a time delay or something. That's why the partner could have been there for 12 years...she was simply thawed out earlier.

 

[Charmonium]

If the whole 2000 years twist is true, then those people could simply have been agents for Mr. Forehead, preparing for his ark. Then they would have been frozen themselves, simply to be thawed on a time delay or something. That's why the partner could have been there for 12 years...she was simply thawed out earlier.

edit: I'm assuming openly discussing events up to the latest aired episode is okay.

You can explain away the encounter between Pilchard and Burke's new partner. I think it's a little strained though because what we're essentially saying is that in the present time, we have the ability to put people into a state that not only suspends aging but makes them younger. At least I think that's what the creepy teacher lady said about the mice.

But OK, let's assume that it's possible and it's just not public knowledge. You still have the incident with the Sheriff and Burke's wife and son where he cut their oil line - which presumably led to the "accident."

In that case, either the sheriff, like Jensen/Pilchard is also a few thousand years old or the whole story is bullshit.

I'm not even sure it explains the time gaps people have experienced. Wasn't Juliette Lewis' character prematurely aged? I thought she said that she had only been there for a few weeks but had aged like 12 years.

 

[JujuFish]

Based on everything that's happened, it makes far more sense as a virtual reality experiment. If they're sticking with the 2000 year thing, then this is both poorly written (for reasons mentioned above) and has jumped the shark, IMO.

 

[Elixer]

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This is the year 4048?
Hibernation chambers?
The "Ark"...
And we have Abbies!

Seriously?
...
sigh.
There goes the shark...

 

[Gooberlx2]

In that case, either the sheriff, like Jensen/Pilchard is also a few thousand years old or the whole story is bullshit

Yeah, my assumption is the sheriff was out "collecting" people, and then went into stasis himself. According to the wikia, Lewis was there a year. I don't remember her saying she'd aged. She did have a kid in her former life. Burke's old partner-chick has been there ("thawed") for 12 years. She had been missing 5 weeks back in 2014 when Burke went looking for her.

 

[Charmonium]

Based on everything that's happened, it makes far more sense as a virtual reality experiment. If they're sticking with the 2000 year thing, then this is both poorly written (for reasons mentioned above) and has jumped the shark, IMO.

Agreed. I think the cover story is just that. It does leave open the issue of what Burke saw on the horizon - the long dead ruins of a city. That could be faked like in The Truman Show, but this would have to be on somewhat grander scale.

Virtual reality ala The Matrix would make sense.

Another problem I just realized is that if we're really 2000 or more years in the future, what's with all of the internal combustion engines? Also, where is all of the food, cars, furniture, booze, etc coming from? Elves? Did they also evolve from humans to serve our needs? And how does Santa figure in to all of this.

 

[13Gigatons]

1. Juliette Lewis Character thinks it's still 2001 but it's 2014...looks good for 50 she is told.

2. Female agent missing 5 weeks but aged 12 years.

3. Nurse Pam is old but is young back 2014.

4. Pilsen is seen in 2014 and in 4028....how?

5. Sheriff is seen in 2014 and in 4028...how?

6. Introduction of silly human like creatures.


This is starting to feel like LOST. Maybe they built a time machine?

 

[Charmonium]

I didn't look too hard but found this very general summary of the books. Here there be spoilers so don't read it if you still think you might be interested in the show. Or go ahead if you like spoilers and are disappointed by how things seem to be developing. It doesn't explain everything by any stretch but it gives you some very big clues and a few answers.

Remember - YOU WERE WARNED :ninja:

 

[techs]

I just watched it and has no one said WTF?
Yeah, I guess everyone!

Wow. Did not see that coming. Did not even see a little of that coming. Depending on where they go from here they jumped the biggest shark ever, or, unlikely, just made one of the greatest shows ever.

My money is on the shark.

 

[BrokenVisage]

So they're in the future but the black sheriff was able to travel to the past to bring Ethan's family in? I think the teacher is not being complete true about the situation to the kids, and having them not tell their parents what they know is just a way to avoid "comparing notes" on wtf is going on.

 

[Gooberlx2]

4. Pilsen is seen in 2014 and in 4048....how?

5. Sheriff is seen in 2014 and in 4048...how?

These aren't that confusing to me. They were preparing in 2014 ("collecting people", gathering supplies, etc...), then went cryo/stasis sometime later, and were thawed out earlier than everyone else.

So they're in the future but the black sheriff was able to travel to the past to bring Ethan's family in?

There's no time travelling going on. All scenes in 2014 are essentially flashbacks*.

*I mean, so long as the narrative that's just been revealed is true. I'm taking things at face value...which is probably incorrect.

 

[13Gigatons]

These aren't that confusing to me. They were preparing in 2014 ("collecting people", gathering supplies, etc...), then went cryo/stasis sometime later, and were thawed out earlier than everyone else.


There's no time travelling going on. All scenes in 2014 are essentially flashbacks*.

*I mean, so long as the narrative that's just been revealed is true. I'm taking things at face value...which is probably incorrect.

I suppose the Sheriff and Pilsen could both be in 2014 picking people to freeze. The sheriff would be woken up before Ethan was and then his wife and kid after that. The events shown in 2014 are just back story then.

 

[Childs]

They could have avoided the whole 'you cant tell the old people because they cant accept it' thing by simply recruiting volunteers and not just grabbing people without their consent. I'm curious how the town was able to stay intact for 2000 years so that they would have some place to wake up to without being overrun. Or even the facility that stores people. And, if they fought those things off to build the town, I dont see why they are afraid of them. Just wipe them out like any other unwanted predator!

 

[techs]

It hasn't been mentioned but perhaps the people in 4000 can send messages to 2014 and therefore do things like take Dillons family when they decide they need them?

 

[13Gigatons]

It hasn't been mentioned but perhaps the people in 4000 can send messages to 2014 and therefore do things like take Dillons family when they decide they need them?

I get the feeling that they have numerous people frozen and ready to be woken up when needed.

 

[SAWYER]

Wow what a twist

 

[techs]

Wow what a twist

I think the twist could be the best thing for the show.

With only 5 episodes left the show is perfectly set up to be a self contained miniseries that fits into the short story science fiction genre. In this genre everything is not explained. Some things are purposely left for the reader/viewer to fill in as their own imagination warrants. These mysteries are not mistakes or things that they can't fit into the story but leave it open for discussion and debate by the audience, which, imo, if done well is great science fiction. The best scifi authors have written whole books of short stories this way since it is a very effective way to express ideas without whole books that require the reader to get most things explained or they often feel "cheated" they read the whole book but still don't know how or why something happened.

Unfortunately the powers that be already decided to set it up to maybe come back again next summer and are instructing the writers to set that up in the ending.

 

[Elixer]

Alrighty then.
Guess we won't see you here, next season since there wasn't another season planned.

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Seemed obvious that Pilcher was going to be killed...but not by Pam.
and that is one fast elevator going down...it took what, 12 secs? Going up, nope, sorry, can't go that fast, in fact, let's make it get stuck, since we need to blow it up!

And then, had to LOL at his son getting KO'ed for 3 years, 4 months...
But, come on, the kids (aka the chosen ones) took over now?