[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[RaulF]

Not trying to start anything(on this thread), but wow. Nvidia hit it out of the park with the 980Ti. AMD better come ready, it looks like Nvidia is out for blood.

 

[flopper]

Not trying to start anything(on this thread), but wow. Nvidia hit it out of the park with the 980Ti. AMD better come ready, it looks like Nvidia is out for blood.

750 euro park?
right...

 

[AnandThenMan]

Not trying to start anything(on this thread), but wow. Nvidia hit it out of the park with the 980Ti. AMD better come ready, it looks like Nvidia is out for blood.

I think it is the other way around, Nvidia knows AMD has something coming that will make a $1000 Titan or an $849 Ti look really bad, hence the drastic price cut for essentially Titan performance. Nvidia is not going to drop prices like this if they don't have to, should put to rest the notion that we don't need competition.

 

[Saika]

750 euro park?
right...

More like out of blood for the 750 euro reference model park.Fanboys will have to pay at least 800 euros for 10 to 20 fps more than 350 euro cards with solid coolers.Such a price at such performance is absolutely laughable.Everyone I know is disgusted but I guess there is a market in graphic cards for those people who buy 800 dollars smartphones every 8 months I guess to come and brag on such forums when real people don't give a shit.
In a few years, when 970 and 290's will be long gone middle range will cost 600, that's I'm sure of.PC gaming is cheap they said

 

[Silverforce11]

Not trying to start anything(on this thread), but wow. Nvidia hit it out of the park with the 980Ti. AMD better come ready, it looks like Nvidia is out for blood.

This SKU was always AMD Fury's competition, not Titan X, which was a product made to milk very loyal enthusiasts for a few months before its obsoleted by a $350 cheaper SKU. Back then, Titan had its DP compute claim to fame, this time, its only extra VRAM which isn't needed, nobody will show 6GB as a limiting factor even at 4K gaming for the performance, it will always be GPU power limited.

I can also say with confidence a full blown GM200 with 6GB vram custom models will be launched giving it 15-20% faster than Titan X performance in a few months time. Titan X will not move with enough volume once 980Ti lands, so full-dies need a new SKU.

This latter SKU will be NV's attempt to reclaim the performance crown.

 

[DiogoDX]

After seeing 980Ti reviews no way Fiji will cost more than $650 considering that will have similar performance and only 4GB.

 

[Azix]

After seeing 980Ti reviews no way Fiji will cost more than $650 considering that will have similar performance and only 4GB.

when did you bench the fiji chip?

 

[RussianSensation]

GTX 970 in SLI and R9 390 CF seems like a cheap route to get good performance for a good price.

No, 970 SLI no longer makes sense. 980Ti made that option completely obsolete. Even if you could get 970 SLI for $500, it's still better to pay $150 for 980Ti since it'll be consistent performance all around once 980Ti is OC.

At $649, the 980Ti made 980, 290X CF, 970 SLI and Titan X all obsolete in 1 go. Even after the price drop to $499, 980 is still overpriced, so is $660 GTX970 SLI or even $540 290X CF.

A gamer can just overclock 980Ti 20% and we are talking R9 295X2/GTX970 SLI level of performance. NV hit it completely out of the park.

The only cards today that make sense in NV's lineup today are:

- GTX750/750Ti HTPC purposes
- 960 if you absolutely need hardware encoding/decoding for 4K, otherwise, R9 290 is better for gaming
- a single 970
- 980Ti

980 needs to drop to $429-449 to make sense. $500 is way way too expensive relative to a $650 980 since 980 OC will be nearly 40% faster and have 50% more VRAM.

Fiji pro 4gb hbm 599
Fiji xt 4gb hbm 749
Fiji xt /xtx 8gb hbm 849
Fiji vr 2x8gb hbm 1399-1499

This doesn't sound realistic anymore, not at all.

AMD is going to need to release a fully unlocked Fiji XT air cooled with 3840-4096 shaders at $599, maybe $649 tops.

Why? Because a reference 980Ti overclocks to 1.45-1.5Ghz and at that point this is what happens against an R9 290X:

79% faster

85% faster

54% faster

87% faster

75% faster

75% faster

From these 6 tests, 980Ti OC is 75.8% faster than an R9 290X Uber mode. :thumbsup:

That means even if Fiji XT is "only" 40% faster than the R9 290X, if it doesn't have 20% overclocking headroom over the $650 980Ti and it only has 4GB of HBM1, it's a worse buy even at $649. I presume the types of guys on our forum and those who are spending $600+ on flagship cards will overclock.

Remember what I said a long time ago? Even if Fiji XT can manage to beat the Titan X/GM200 6GB stock vs. stock, if it can't beat GM200 max OC vs. max OC, it will lose the battle, especially since it might have less video memory.

NV really hit this gen out of the park. They managed to milk 980 dry despite this card showing less and less of a lead over the 290X. Nonetheless, what matter is NV convinced most PC gamers that it was worth to pay 2X for 11% more performance.

Per TPU, 980Ti is only 2-4% behind the Titan X, which means there is not much room for Fiji XT to fit "between" the 980Ti and Titan X. I realize other sites show about a 5-7% difference between these 2 cards, but still. We all know most of the market won't purchase an AMD card that performs similarly and costs the same. That means AMD either has to beat the 980Ti by 10-15% out of the box OR it has to be priced lower than $649.

Those rumours of $850 SKU always sounded BS to me since I never could foresee a Fiji XT card beating GM200 6GB by 15%+ which is what they'd need to price it at $850 vs. a $650 980Ti.

I think AMD will need to be uber aggressive and price Fiji XT at $649-699 tops even if it's 5-10% faster than the 980Ti simply because after-market 980Ti cards are packing serious overclocking heat.

It's just a matter of time before 1300-1350mhz factory pre-overclocked 980Ti cards drop and that's another 15% increase in performance on top of 980Ti's already very strong stock performance. :hmm:

AMD has about 2-2.5 weeks to decide what they need to do with pricing but NV has played this generation perfectly. AMD might need to do something drastic like drop a $499 Fiji Pro with 90% of 980Ti's performance to wipe out the 980 and Fiji XT with 10% more performance over the 980Ti but still priced at $649. If AMD can pull this off, they will take the wind out of NV's sails. Alternatively, AMD would have needed to pull off it's biggest comeback ever since 9700Pro days.

But I fear that even if Fiji XT can beat the 980Ti, NV will release a 980Ti Black Edition fully unlocked and with after-market cards clocked at 1.3-1.35Ghz, NV will ultimately regain the performance crown. Hopefully AMD surprises us because I really want a competitive GPU market.

 

[soccerballtux]

AMD always so stupid always behind always on the defensive. ugh...

 

[crashtech]

Just as an aside, does anyone else get irritated with tests that exclude minimums?

 

[ocre]

RS, I dont know how anyone can argue at this point.

It is simply not looking good for AMD since the 980ti launched.

Even the theory that Nvidia priced the 980ti at 649$ because they knew this ultra powerful fiji was coming, like they were forced to because they were so afraid. I have a really really hard time with that.

We all knew that the 980ti was coming but it came in the worst way for AMD. This just cannot be good. There is no way it is good.
The 980ti launched at $649 and it equal to the titan X. No one expected that outcome. I mean, sure we thought aftermarket 980ti's would make the titanX look bad. But, I dont think many expected the reference model to only be 2-4% slower. No one was betting on it being 649, it was a nice dream but no one truly expected this outcome.
Surely AMD had their whole fiji attack based around the 1000$ titan X.

The delay, they missed the opportunity to really make a the splash they could have.

I think this is a devastation. A massive massive blow. I am not sure if others see it, but there is no way around it. This is gonna hurt for AMD.

Who is really expecting a fiji that is 20% faster than the titanx? I think that is a just way to optimistic. I believe fiji might offer titanX performance but with a water cooler. The whole FURY strategy, their premium brand.............it was completely crushed by the launching of the 980ti. The thunder, i am really thinking....it has been stripped away.

Man, i wish AMD was able to make a move sooner. This is really really bad for them.

The people who think that nvidia launched the 980ti earlier and had to price it low because of how great fury will be, i am not buying it. Reading reviews, it seems that nvidia gave reviewers plenty of time. There was no rush at all. And the time, why? Well, AMD was supposed to be releasing fiji. Nvidia went ahead with their plan, AMD moved their launch out. Nvidia had been sitting on the 980ti and dropped it anyway.

I honestly think that Nvidia going ahead and launching says the opposite. That they arent worried about fiji at all. If they really really were afraid, they would have held back and made a reactionary move. We know that nvidia could extract 20% more performance out of the gm200. They could create a 300watt monster. I dont think they are afraid at all.
I believe this is a huge punch in the gut. I just wonder why AMD put off fiji for soo long. Were they having issues? What was/is the problem. Were they the ones afraid and waiting for nvidia to launch first?

With water cooling, AMD can probably surpass the 980ti performance. But at what cost? I think it will take a lot. And by that time, there will be vendor overclocked 980ti models that raise the bar another 20%. I just do not see how this ends well for fiji. It is worst case scenario if you ask me.

 

[Azix]

Someone remind me how the 970 and 980 were performing against the 290x at launch.

Computex can't come soon enough. e3 as well. Nvidias pricing is interesting to me because it means I might be able to justify a fiji pro. It shouldn't cost more than a 980 and the current situation is not far removed from 680 - 780/780ti where we got the 290 and 290x counters. Is it? We could see the 980 at $400 shortly after release of AMDs cards.

I hope they were aiming for a card faster than 295x2 for less and not just nvidias cards.

@ocre a more expensive ti would only make sense if AMD was going to flop terribly and overprice while doing it. A somewhat reasonble 980ti suggests that's not the case. If AMD prices any single chip over 750 its going to be some cherry picked overclocked water cooled GPU. The fiji xt will be <~600 imo.

@soccerballtux They weren't on the "defensive" till the 970/980 launch. But they have a bad rep so it never really matters

 

[crashtech]

@ocre
Wow, classic doom and gloom. And about a product about which we know nothing. I for one will wait and see.

 

[chimaxi83]

RS, I dont know how anyone can argue at this point.

It is simply not looking good for AMD since the 980ti launched.

Even the theory that Nvidia priced the 980ti at 649$ because they knew this ultra powerful fiji was coming, like they were forced to because they were so afraid. I have a really really hard time with that.

We all knew that the 980ti was coming but it came in the worst way for AMD. This just cannot be good. There is no way it is good.
The 980ti launched at $649 and it equal to the titan X. No one expected that outcome. I mean, sure we thought aftermarket 980ti's would make the titanX look bad. But, I dont think many expected the reference model to only be 2-4% slower. No one was betting on it being 649, it was a nice dream but no one truly expected this outcome.
Surely AMD had their whole fiji attack based around the 1000$ titan X.

The delay, they missed the opportunity to really make a the splash they could have.

I think this is a devastation. A massive massive blow. I am not sure if others see it, but there is no way around it. This is gonna hurt for AMD.

Who is really expecting a fiji that is 20% faster than the titanx? I think that is a just way to optimistic. I believe fiji might offer titanX performance but with a water cooler. The whole FURY strategy, their premium brand.............it was completely crushed by the launching of the 980ti. The thunder, i am really thinking....it has been stripped away.

Man, i wish AMD was able to make a move sooner. This is really really bad for them.

The people who think that nvidia launched the 980ti earlier and had to price it low because of how great fury will be, i am not buying it. Reading reviews, it seems that nvidia gave reviewers plenty of time. There was no rush at all. And the time, why? Well, AMD was supposed to be releasing fiji. Nvidia went ahead with their plan, AMD moved their launch out. Nvidia had been sitting on the 980ti and dropped it anyway.

I honestly think that Nvidia going ahead and launching says the opposite. That they arent worried about fiji at all. If they really really were afraid, they would have held back and made a reactionary move. We know that nvidia could extract 20% more performance out of the gm200. They could create a 300watt monster. I dont think they are afraid at all.
I believe this is a huge punch in the gut. I just wonder why AMD put off fiji for soo long. Were they having issues? What was/is the problem. Were they the ones afraid and waiting for nvidia to launch first?

With water cooling, AMD can probably surpass the 980ti performance. But at what cost? I think it will take a lot. And by that time, there will be vendor overclocked 980ti models that raise the bar another 20%. I just do not see how this ends well for fiji. It is worst case scenario if you ask me.

Hey, another doom and gloom end of the AMD world wall of text based on exactly half of the situation....why? It's weird man.

 

[gamervivek]

Yeah 20% faster than TitanX is overoptimistic, though the 'leaked' slide had Fiji faster than about 58% from a 290X. So it could have a double digit lead over 980Ti and be priced between the two GM200 cards.

 

[AnandThenMan]

AMD always so stupid always behind always on the defensive. ugh...

Always? Seems pretty much impossible how is AMD still around? Maybe wait to see AMD's cards, figuratively and literally.

 

[sze5003]

I'm sure if the 980 Ti beats amd cards speculatively, they would price accordingly but there is no saying yet as nothing has been released yet. All of this is just speculation at this point. If they don't price their new cards in similar respect then yea I don't see them selling well with anything in the r 390 series to come.

 

[Silverforce11]

The 980ti launched at $649 and it equal to the titan X. No one expected that outcome. I mean, sure we thought aftermarket 980ti's would make the titanX look bad. But, I dont think many expected the reference model to only be 2-4% slower. No one was betting on it being 649, it was a nice dream but no one truly expected this outcome.
Surely AMD had their whole fiji attack based around the 1000$ titan X.

Saw the 980Ti coming at that price, with close to Titan X performance. I also expect custom models to come around $699 that match or beat Titan X.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37438410&postcount=96

Also saw the price cuts for the 970/980. 980 due to 980Ti pricing but the 970 is a special situation, it simply doesn't need a price drop (because its selling amazingly well, beyond their expectations!) unless NV is fully aware of how competitive AMD's upcoming stack is.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37438428&postcount=100

Heck if u go back to my earlier posts during Titan X's launch, I knew the cut down Gm200 6gb is coming that will rival Titan X performance for much less. I also predict a full GM200 6GB coming in a few months that gets Titan X + 15-20% out of the box on custom models.

This 980Ti launch is nothing new to people who applied some basic logic. It was always going to be the competitor to Fiji, and the Titan X was always going to be obsolete as soon as it was revealed to not have good DP compute. It can't rely on the 12gb vram since games just don't need that much, pure overkill.

 

[crashtech]

Gotta love Titan X owners right now. I mean, I have paid the early adopter tax myself before, but never in such spectacular fashion.

 

[sze5003]

Gotta love Titan X owners right now. I mean, I have paid the early adopter tax myself before, but never in such spectacular fashion.

When did the titan x originally launch? I haven't kept up with gpu's until now as I will be due for an upgrade. It has to suck a lot knowing you spent 1k on a card alone then down the like a better one is out for less. But hey that's true of all technology that's why I just buy whatever brand or model I see fit based on price per performance at my price range.

 

[maddie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by maddie View Post
Fiji pro 4gb hbm 599
Fiji xt 4gb hbm 749
Fiji xt /xtx 8gb hbm 849
Fiji vr 2x8gb hbm 1399-1499

This doesn't sound realistic anymore, not at all.

AMD is going to need to release a fully unlocked Fiji XT air cooled with 3840-4096 shaders at $599, maybe $649 tops.

Why? Because a reference 980Ti overclocks to 1.45-1.5Ghz and at that point this is what happens against an R9 290X:

I hope you realized I was questioning those prices that someone else posted and not claiming them as my estimates.

 

[crashtech]

When did the titan x originally launch? I haven't kept up with gpu's until now as I will be due for an upgrade. It has to suck a lot knowing you spent 1k on a card alone then down the like a better one is out for less. But hey that's true of all technology that's why I just buy whatever brand or model I see fit based on price per performance at my price range.

Titan X launched in mid-March of this year.

 

[RussianSensation]

Just as an aside, does anyone else get irritated with tests that exclude minimums?

I know right. I really liked that Xbitlabs included these measurements, but ever since Anton Shilov and some other key guys left, that site is nearly dead. At least we still have HardOCP. Since minimum frames sometimes capture a problem with a game engine or system glitch, I would prefer FCAT testing, especially for multi-GPU setups. But almost no one does that anymore......

We all knew that the 980ti was coming but it came in the worst way for AMD. This just cannot be good. There is no way it is good.

So if guys like us more or less had a good idea based on leaks that 980Ti would be a slightly cut-down GM200 6GB card where after-market 980Ti cards would tie or beat the Titan X, do you honestly think AMD was completely unaware of this for the last 3-4 months? You think they don't have anyone from their firm browsing AT, TechReport, TechPowerup, Videocardz, ChipHell forums? AMD had a very good idea where they needed to aim performance wise a long time ago.

The 980ti launched at $649 and it equal to the titan X. No one expected that outcome.

I expected it to be 95% as fast as the Titan X for $699. You can go read my posts. I was off by $50. I even got into an argument with some TX owners when I kept saying how 980Ti will make Titan X obsolete and a rip-off. I mentioned that after-market cards will come factory pre-overclocked and beat the Titan X. I guess you missed those posts. Other gamers in this thread and other threads also fully expected 980TI to be 90-95% as fast as the Titan X and for after-market cards to beat the Titan X.

I even sighted 780Ghz review charts from TPU weeks before the 980Ti launched. To say that "no one expected" 980Ti to tie a Titan X is not correct.

I mean, sure we thought aftermarket 980ti's would make the titanX look bad. But, I dont think many expected the reference model to only be 2-4% slower. No one was betting on it being 649, it was a nice dream but no one truly expected this outcome.

You are right. We didn't expect a reference 980Ti to be 2-4% within Titan X. For all intents and purposes though 2-4% or 95% as fast as the Titan X are identical in terms of gaming experience without measuring benches. Many did expect after-market 980Ti to beat the Titan X. Since a lot of gamers on our forums buy open air cooled after-market card, I am not even sure how the reference card's performance matters that much. Once Asus DCUII, MSI Lightning, Galax HOF, Gigabyte Windforce 3X, EVGA Classified cards come out, that's when the real pressure on AMD will fall since then we are talking 15-20% faster clocked 980Ti cards. At that point I agree with you that if Fiji XT only beats the 980Ti by 5-10%, it will be in trouble unless after-market version of Fiji also raise clocks 15%, or Fiji XT can overclock 15-20% in the hands of users. 7970/R9 290X could all overclock at least 15%.

Surely AMD had their whole fiji attack based around the 1000$ titan X.

How do we know that? That random $850 MSRP rumour? WCCFtech said 980Ti would cost $799 and it came out $150 less. That $850 rumour could just be another BS they pulled out of thin air.

We don't know at all if Fiji XT was going to be a $549 card, $649, $699, $749, $849. Only AMD knows.

The delay, they missed the opportunity to really make a the splash they could have. I think this is a devastation. A massive massive blow. I am not sure if others see it, but there is no way around it. This is gonna hurt for AMD.

I am impressed by 980Ti but it's not enough to make statements like the ones you are making. On paper a 4096 shader Fiji XT is faster than the 980Ti at 4K.

TPU has it 39% faster at 1440P and 37% at 4K against the 290X.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/31.html

Is that good? Yes. Does that mean a total devastation to AMD? I don't think so. If Fiji XT is a 4096 shader, 256 TMU, 64 Tonga ROP card with 1.05Ghz clock it should beat the 980Ti at both of those resolutions. We have 3 weeks to find out.

Who is really expecting a fiji that is 20% faster than the titanx? I think that is a just way to optimistic. I believe fiji might offer titanX performance but with a water cooler. The whole FURY strategy, their premium brand.............it was completely crushed by the launching of the 980ti. The thunder, i am really thinking....it has been stripped away.

LOL, what are you talking about. If Fiji XT beats 980Ti by 10% at $699, a lot of gamers will consider that a win. I'll go on to say that winning by a 7-8% at 4K garnered the 980 a ton of praise over the 290X but now you are saying the Fiji is doomed without contemplating that it if beats the Titan X by 5%, 980Ti becomes like the 290X performance wise at 4K.

Look at how well R9 290X is aging today. It's faster than both the 780Ti and 970 at 4K and 980 is barely faster!

290X is only a 2816 shader card. What happens if AMD releases a 1.05Ghz 4096 shader card? 980Ti is beaten. Alternatively, double the performance of an R9 280X puts Fiji XT at 106% on this chart.

Nvidia had been sitting on the 980ti and dropped it anyway.

Ya so instead of diverting all the attention to AMD, why aren't you discussing how NV had 980Ti chips manufactured on the 36th week of 2014 but they still kept milking 980 at $550 and sitting on thousands of GM200-310 dies?

I honestly think that Nvidia going ahead and launching says the opposite. That they arent worried about fiji at all. If they really really were afraid, they would have held back and made a reactionary move. We know that nvidia could extract 20% more performance out of the gm200. They could create a 300watt monster. I dont think they are afraid at all.
I believe this is a huge punch in the gut. I just wonder why AMD put off fiji for soo long. Were they having issues? What was/is the problem. Were they the ones afraid and waiting for nvidia to launch first?

We won't know the answers to most of these questions until Fiji cards launch.

With water cooling, AMD can probably surpass the 980ti performance. But at what cost? I think it will take a lot. And by that time, there will be vendor overclocked 980ti models that raise the bar another 20%. I just do not see how this ends well for fiji. It is worst case scenario if you ask me.

There are all kinds of other possibilities. I'll mention the first 1 - You are right and AMD flops this generation, most R9 300 cards and re-brands and Fiji XT is barely faster than 980.

There are other possibilities. AMD goes all in into the mid-range and high-end segments.

1. Fully unlocked Tonga smokes 960. This should be easy considering today since a 960 can't beat a 285. That means Full 285 >>> 960. If AMD adds HVEC for 4K decoding/encoding and HDMI 2.0, that's about game over for the 960 against a 2048 shader 4GB 285.

2. Revised R9 290 beats 970. This should be easy since today a 290X > 970 at higher resolutions. Actually even a faster clocked after-market R9 290 could give a GTX970 a run for the $. If AMD managed to reduce the power usage and performance is roughly equal, I would take a 4GB card over a 3.5GB card. That's another win.

3. Revised 290X comes very close to a 980 for $100 less. That should be very easy considering how little of a lead 980 has left today.

4. Fiji PRO at $499 smokes 980 by 15%. 980 would have no response against a 3500 shader Fiji Pro with HBM. Alternatively, AMD positions Fiji PRO at $549 and it offers 95% of 980Ti's performance. That would make 980Ti and Fiji Pro competitive with each other on the price/performance curve but either way Fiji Pro should smash 980 into the ground. I think even though NV dropped 980's price to $499, it'll need to drop it another $50 after AMD's launch.

5. AMD launches an air-cooled Fiji XT with Titan X performance for $599. That would undercut the 980Ti. However, at that point I would probably recommend the 980Ti for its 6GB of VRAM and 20% overclocking headroom unless Fiji XT overclocks 15-20% on air as well.

6. We still don't know how fast a water-cooled Fiji XT might be. What if it can run at 1250mhz at 75C? What if it's a dud overclocker that can't overclock even 5%?

Here is a more interesting question to you since you are so gloom and doom on AMD :

>>> When since HD4800 series did AMD ever launch a new generation of GPUs that was less competitive than NV's in price/performance? I can't recall. Every generation since HD4800 AMD leads on price/performance in almost all segments. If Fiji cards can't compete with 980/980Ti/Titan X, well AMD will have to adjust their prices accordingly. It's that simple. Whenever few times NV has the lead on price/performance with 670/680, AMD makes quick adjustments.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9306/GeForce_GTX_980Ti_PCB.jpg

"GM200-310-A1" does not appear on the chip in the card Anandtech tested.

The 37th week of 2014 is not that long ago considering the need for testing.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9306/GeForce_GTX_980Ti_PCB.jpg

"GM200-310-A1" does not appear on the chip in the card Anandtech tested.

The 37th week of 2014 is not that long ago considering the need for testing.

I took the picture from TPU's review. 36-37th week of 2014 is a long time ago to launch a card June 1, 2015. Are you saying they needed 6-8 months to test out the chips? NV just kept milking the market with 980 for all its worth. They had 980Ti chips when 980 launched and just went into manufacturing later on. this allowed them to maximize margins on a GTX560Ti successor (aka 980) and wait for yields to increase enough to be able to sell 980Ti at $649 and still make great margins. Win-win position.

In retrospect, 980 was a horrible buy. 680/7970 remained "king-of-the-hell" all the way until GTX780 launched in May 2012 at $650 ($1K Titan doesn't really count since most people don't buy those cards). That means both the 680 and 7970 enjoyed their status as flagship cards for more than a year, in 7970's case 1 year and 5 months!

In the case of a 980 vs. 980Ti, it took just 7.5 months (mid-Sept 2014-June 1, 2015). Also, 980Ti OC beats 980 OC by much more than 780 OC did vs. 7970/680 OC and 980Ti brings 50% more VRAM over 980 but 780 didn't over the 7970.